Topic : Defining Your Authentic Self

Number of Replies: 7479
New Messages This Week: 13
Last Reply On:
Created on : Thursday, July 07, 2005, 11:20:02 am
Author : dataimport
Have you read "Self Matters" or become familiar with the process of uncovering your authentic self from watching the show? Share your story here.

User Mood
Stressed

Message Emote
blank
June 10, 2008, 9:55 pm PDT

Exactly!

Quote From: ritehere

One wonders if your mother has ever given a thought to what her life may be like if your father passes before she does? After all, he is the one that she has trained so well...

 

I wonder what crap sandwiches taste like when eaten all by yourself?

 

My mother has no Self-Observing Ego- no other-orientedness, no inherent practice of self-observation- and she has no desire for any such thing. She HAS learned to ‘sound good’ or at least ‘sound better’ more like a sweet little old lady who is just defocused. Others have come to recognize that, though.

She really does little more than try to use the same old tired ploys to lure me back into her day to day dramas. I’ve even told her, “You’re wearing my 78 yr. old father out with your ceaseless spectacles, faux crisis scenes, and dramas. When he’s gone bedside service will be a thing of the past.”

 

However, after I made the Crap sandwich comment she has not been as persistent. In fact, for the first time after I confronted her, my father has been calm and has a stable BP! I don't really know what she did upon returning home that day. What I DO know is that she-for a while-avoided me!

YES!!!

 

Brenda

 
User Mood
Relaxed

Message Emote
chillin'
June 11, 2008, 6:48 am PDT

Posting posting...

Quote From: marcia52

Linda, I know exactly what you mean -- I'm still experiencing a lot of resistance about working part-time. I don't want to give up my free time.  It's more about me learning to work thru my feelings and thoughts as I continue to work. Like I walked out of work last week with no work and felt scared. WHAT IF he doesn't have anything else for me to do ... then my sister ended up in the hospital Friday night.  I saw her Saturday night and then spent the day at Akron City Hospital - about an hour away waiting for her cauterization to be completed. She's doing fine - it's a direct result of her uncontrolled diabetes.  Only she can do something and if she chooses not to, I have to allow it. (don't want to -- but I will allow it)

Anyway, I want to get a bike as well -- I figure I'll ride it in my back yard so if I fall, I can fall on the ground and not on a sidewalk or street.  You got to keep us posted on how you do.

The reason I wanted to relate that little episode is because it was a good example of how our minds work. It's become second nature for me to bring awareness to certain mental and physical triggers, I was wondering if anybody else can relate?

Let me describe the event so you can compare for yourself:

We were out visiting garage sales in our new neighborhood when I found a bicycle that I really wanted at a price that I can afford at the moment. I was excited about taking it out all during the trip to the store to get new inner tubes. As hubby was inserting the tubes, he made the comment that I should go put on some shorts so as not to catch my pants legs in the chain while riding.

In that very instant my whole mood changed, and I didn't want to ride anymore because I've gained some weight and didn't want to be seen in shorts. Now, that part is only the logical thoughts and has been dealt with. What is interesting is that for the first time I stood back and "observed" the whole process taking place within my head. The very first thing that happened was that as soon as my husband said I should go change into shorts, I had a weird physical reaction- it was as if the lights had dimmed and I developed a narrowed field of vision for a couple of seconds. Then came the feeling of sadness and loss as I began telling myself all kinds of "reasons" why I shouldn't ride my new bike. And I slowed down the "tapes" and listened to every one of them: you'll look silly, it's been so long, you don't remember how, you'll hurt yourself, etc......

I sat down and asked the questions taught in SELF MATTERS and put them all to rest. Yes, it's been a very long time, and I should be careful because the risk of injury is there. As to the other concerns-  WHO CARES! No doubt some people already think I'm silly-looking without the bike and there's nothing I can do to change their minds. All I need is the bike and a stretch of relatively quiet road and I'll have a great time.

 

Have any of you ever experienced physical triggers when an abrupt change in thinking is taking place? After noticing it, I realize this has been the precursor to a shift in mood for me in the past as well. I think it's important to recognize these subtle changes. In the past, I would have blamed it on what my husband said, telling myself that he was critical and unsympathetic or something.

It's not him, it's what I tell myself about what he says.

 
User Mood
Relaxed

Message Emote
chillin'
June 11, 2008, 6:58 am PDT

Who says you're a brat?

Quote From: marcia52

I was talking to B, my sister's hubby, and my mom kept jumping in and not allowing me to finish my sentence -- finally, without thinking I blurted out, will "mom, just shut up" and I completed my sentence. I can't believe how rude I was but she stopped.

It's a behavior that I hated to do .. but I was talking .. and she just hates it when I'm the center of attention.  She has to prove me wrong, or something.  Yet, at the same time, I hadn't been speaking for a few hours - I was reading a book and B and I were discussing stuff. 

Remember a few years ago when she kept doing that when I was visiting relatives and her sister kept telling her to let me speak that I had something interesting to say.  Yep, same lesson, different level again.

I know I hurt her feelings ... and I know that I'm just finally taking a stand that I should have taken when I was a teenager or young adult.  Even my nieces are allowed to speak -- just not me. 

Sometimes I feel, that I'm just working thru levels of growing up.  That I simply have to do things and allow myself to do it -- that as I do, I finally break thru my barriers and I can become the person who has a good heart and can stand up for herself without "worrying" that I'm going to hurt someone's feelings.  Does that make sense to you guys?

You may have been abupt, you may wish you had chosen less harsh wording such as "please let me finish", but you had every right to cut her off. (Didn't she cut you off in mid-sentence?)

Please, don't call yourself a brat for acting the way your mother acts. Name-calling is worse when we do it to ourselves.

Yes, you may have hurt her feelings, but she invalidates YOU every time she does it doesn't she? You are merely being assertive.

It may also help you to look at her actions in another way, she may not be trying to prove you wrong, this is your mind working in ways to produce negativity within you. It's possible that she butts in because she doesn't want to forget what she wants to say before you are done? You can say, "hold that thought and let me finish, then I will listen to you."

 
User Mood
Relaxed

Message Emote
chillin'
June 11, 2008, 7:04 am PDT

How wonderful!

Quote From: marsplasti

Marcia; Wow I have been experiencing the same kind of things. I too am trying to be a grownup and doing what I feel and not what other people want me to do. i call it taking control of my life and if people dont like what I do i dont care anymore. They are not me and not living my life. So lately I am like you standing up for myself and trying so hard to be a grown-up. Lately I dont worry about hurting peoples feelings.

My mom does things like your mom. Sometimes My mom is so mean so I back off and go somewhere else that she wouldnt approve of; but I am an adult and I will go and do whatever i want.

my mom also dictates alot to me what she wants me to do for her. I try so hard to keep boundaries and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesnt. Most of the time I just want to stay away to avoid

the confrontation. It makes so much sense to me now that my whole family were controllers so that is why in the past and even now I tend to attract controlling people. Its a work in progress every day.

 

 

Mars, it's good to hear from you again.

Just remember, if you could extricate yourself from your abusive controlling husband, you can handle this situation. This is the second phase of your life lessons in how to assert for yourself. You can't, and probably don't want to divorce yourself from your family, so you have to find ways to get them to treat you the way you want to be treated.

You're doing well, half the battle is recognizing the problem with clarity, and you are.

 
User Mood
Relaxed

Message Emote
chillin'
June 11, 2008, 7:11 am PDT

video

Quote From: blgspc

My mother has no Self-Observing Ego- no other-orientedness, no inherent practice of self-observation- and she has no desire for any such thing. She HAS learned to sound good or at least sound better more like a sweet little old lady who is just defocused. Others have come to recognize that, though.

She really does little more than try to use the same old tired ploys to lure me back into her day to day dramas. Ive even told her, Youre wearing my 78 yr. old father out with your ceaseless spectacles, faux crisis scenes, and dramas. When hes gone bedside service will be a thing of the past.

 

However, after I made the Crap sandwich comment she has not been as persistent. In fact, for the first time after I confronted her, my father has been calm and has a stable BP! I don't really know what she did upon returning home that day. What I DO know is that she-for a while-avoided me!

YES!!!

 

Brenda

Dr Phil uses video on the show to get people to see themselves the way the rest of the world sees them.

Sometimes this one little tool is all it takes for a light bulb to go on.

Congratulations on getting your mother to back off.

Your descriptions of life with your mother sound like interacting with children. I wonder if your mother isn't "stuck" in some juvenile mind set that she has never grown out of? (Now that I ask that question, I get a "well DUH!" feeling...)

 
User Mood
Mellow

Message Emote
blank
June 11, 2008, 10:51 am PDT

Hi Brenda

Quote From: blgspc

My mother has no Self-Observing Ego- no other-orientedness, no inherent practice of self-observation- and she has no desire for any such thing. She HAS learned to sound good or at least sound better more like a sweet little old lady who is just defocused. Others have come to recognize that, though.

She really does little more than try to use the same old tired ploys to lure me back into her day to day dramas. Ive even told her, Youre wearing my 78 yr. old father out with your ceaseless spectacles, faux crisis scenes, and dramas. When hes gone bedside service will be a thing of the past.

 

However, after I made the Crap sandwich comment she has not been as persistent. In fact, for the first time after I confronted her, my father has been calm and has a stable BP! I don't really know what she did upon returning home that day. What I DO know is that she-for a while-avoided me!

YES!!!

 

Brenda

Sounds like your mom finally heard you ... probably scared her when she realized that her main support could be leaving her permanently and that she'll be alone.
 
User Mood
Mellow

Message Emote
blank
June 11, 2008, 10:54 am PDT

How true!

Quote From: marsplasti

Marcia; Wow I have been experiencing the same kind of things. I too am trying to be a grownup and doing what I feel and not what other people want me to do. i call it taking control of my life and if people dont like what I do i dont care anymore. They are not me and not living my life. So lately I am like you standing up for myself and trying so hard to be a grown-up. Lately I dont worry about hurting peoples feelings.

My mom does things like your mom. Sometimes My mom is so mean so I back off and go somewhere else that she wouldnt approve of; but I am an adult and I will go and do whatever i want.

my mom also dictates alot to me what she wants me to do for her. I try so hard to keep boundaries and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesnt. Most of the time I just want to stay away to avoid

the confrontation. It makes so much sense to me now that my whole family were controllers so that is why in the past and even now I tend to attract controlling people. Its a work in progress every day.

 

 

We bring to us what we are comfortable with.  Right now, I'm wanting to start dating; however, I know that there's still plenty of gaps in my "adulthood". I'm hoping that I get a better quality of a person so that I can explore being with someone whose not so "fixated". 

 

It's one of the reasons I loved reading A NEW EARTH -- I was able to connect to Chapter 5's explanation on the Pain-Body and that it's my mom!

 
User Mood
Mellow

Message Emote
blank
June 11, 2008, 10:58 am PDT

Yes Linda I have ...

Quote From: ritehere

The reason I wanted to relate that little episode is because it was a good example of how our minds work. It's become second nature for me to bring awareness to certain mental and physical triggers, I was wondering if anybody else can relate?

Let me describe the event so you can compare for yourself:

We were out visiting garage sales in our new neighborhood when I found a bicycle that I really wanted at a price that I can afford at the moment. I was excited about taking it out all during the trip to the store to get new inner tubes. As hubby was inserting the tubes, he made the comment that I should go put on some shorts so as not to catch my pants legs in the chain while riding.

In that very instant my whole mood changed, and I didn't want to ride anymore because I've gained some weight and didn't want to be seen in shorts. Now, that part is only the logical thoughts and has been dealt with. What is interesting is that for the first time I stood back and "observed" the whole process taking place within my head. The very first thing that happened was that as soon as my husband said I should go change into shorts, I had a weird physical reaction- it was as if the lights had dimmed and I developed a narrowed field of vision for a couple of seconds. Then came the feeling of sadness and loss as I began telling myself all kinds of "reasons" why I shouldn't ride my new bike. And I slowed down the "tapes" and listened to every one of them: you'll look silly, it's been so long, you don't remember how, you'll hurt yourself, etc......

I sat down and asked the questions taught in SELF MATTERS and put them all to rest. Yes, it's been a very long time, and I should be careful because the risk of injury is there. As to the other concerns-  WHO CARES! No doubt some people already think I'm silly-looking without the bike and there's nothing I can do to change their minds. All I need is the bike and a stretch of relatively quiet road and I'll have a great time.

 

Have any of you ever experienced physical triggers when an abrupt change in thinking is taking place? After noticing it, I realize this has been the precursor to a shift in mood for me in the past as well. I think it's important to recognize these subtle changes. In the past, I would have blamed it on what my husband said, telling myself that he was critical and unsympathetic or something.

It's not him, it's what I tell myself about what he says.

Tolle & Martha Beck introduced me to the WATCHER mode ... it's like I'm watching a soap opera unfolding. I'm not part of what's happening .. however, it's a part of me.  And like you, I do pay attention and deal with the thoughts and feelings that surface. It's a good thing that happens.

 

I'm glad you experienced it and that you had the necessary tools jumping up and doing their job.  Like Dr. Phil says ... once you learn the technique, it stays with you.

 

I'm so proud of you. 

 

And don't worry about what people think .. especially if they're not evolved like us.

 
User Mood
Mellow

Message Emote
blank
June 11, 2008, 11:02 am PDT

Thanks Linda ...

Quote From: ritehere

You may have been abupt, you may wish you had chosen less harsh wording such as "please let me finish", but you had every right to cut her off. (Didn't she cut you off in mid-sentence?)

Please, don't call yourself a brat for acting the way your mother acts. Name-calling is worse when we do it to ourselves.

Yes, you may have hurt her feelings, but she invalidates YOU every time she does it doesn't she? You are merely being assertive.

It may also help you to look at her actions in another way, she may not be trying to prove you wrong, this is your mind working in ways to produce negativity within you. It's possible that she butts in because she doesn't want to forget what she wants to say before you are done? You can say, "hold that thought and let me finish, then I will listen to you."

No, mostly it's my mom trying to insert that I'm showing everyone up.  I'm beginning to hear this little voice saying "you're too intelligent" ... it's what my family believes to be true.  I know I'm intelligent and I know that most of my family doesn't even have an 11th grade education.  I'm always improving myself so my intelligence is more about how much I'm learning --sorry off subject.

 

Yes, you're right ... my words could have been better chosen ... I just get the feeling that I'm just asserting myself like I should have when I was younger.  It feels "hard" yet it's coming to me instantly without me having to think or journal about it.  I'm doing ... which is something I'm very proud of.

 
User Mood
Stressed

Message Emote
hopeful
June 11, 2008, 11:47 am PDT

Interestingly......

Quote From: ritehere

Dr Phil uses video on the show to get people to see themselves the way the rest of the world sees them.

Sometimes this one little tool is all it takes for a light bulb to go on.

Congratulations on getting your mother to back off.

Your descriptions of life with your mother sound like interacting with children. I wonder if your mother isn't "stuck" in some juvenile mind set that she has never grown out of? (Now that I ask that question, I get a "well DUH!" feeling...)

My mother has turned out to be not REALLY all that different from her own mother and my mother’s mother was the Queen of Narcissist’s! That woman just LOVED watching the feathers fly when she set people up. She was power hungry and would try and damage relationships for her own personal amusement. My Maternal Grandmother would LIE even when there just didn’t seem to be a really big gain in doing that. The most notable difference between my mother and her mother was that my grandmother was more overt, non-passive in her approach to acting out her pathology, she would never have feigned illness or made up excuses for her behavior-which my mother does.

 

Also, for a very long time the folks around my mother thought that helping her meant accommodating ANYTHING she insisted that they do for her and/or that she said she just HAD to do, that disrupted their lives. So for a VERY long time her behavior WORKED for her. (Of course, resentments grew among those who were enabling her.) No one ever asked, ‘Why?’ They just met her often passive-unreasonable-demands without question, feeling that to question anything would ‘upset’ her and that if they ‘upset’ her in ANY way that they were personally responsible for the next group of her bad behaviors. My mother is a classic example of the way that Variable Reinforcement works. For example: When your computer doesn’t do what it should do, you try things that have worked in the past even though it doesn’t always work, you at least try it because it has worked before.

 

My mother encountered problems with her strategies when both my twin sister and I became involved in behavioral health! We had become regarded as “troublemakers” when, as adolescents, we began challenging her disruptive dramas. Things ONLY got worse when we actively began asking about the long held tradition of doing whatever placated my mother! Despite all of that we continued to challenge unreasonable, extreme and ridiculous demands. We even went on to identify specific behaviors and pointed out the payoffs to those who had never questioned her odd intrusive, inappropriate and disruptive actions.

Now, those surviving family members see with crystal clarity what they were missing before and no longer feel a need to blindly accept unacceptable behaviors from my mother.

 

To answer your question, I do not believe that showing her via video how she appears would be helpful, at all. My mother's concerns have never been about ACTUAL CHANGE but in changing the way she APPEARS. Thus, she would want the video edited to make her look better rather than making change to behave better. As Dr. Phil often asks folks on the show, "So are you sorry you did that or are you sorry you got caught?" Regardless of what she might say, she is just sorry she got caught! And, if allowed time she will find someone to blame for that! 

 

Brenda

 

First | Prev | 676 | 677 | 678 | 679 | 680 | 681 | 682 | 683 | 684 | 685 | Next | Last