Topic : Defining Your Authentic Self

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Have you read "Self Matters" or become familiar with the process of uncovering your authentic self from watching the show? Share your story here.

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June 11, 2008, 12:28 pm PDT

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My mother has turned out to be not REALLY all that different from her own mother and my mothers mother was the Queen of Narcissists! That woman just LOVED watching the feathers fly when she set people up. She was power hungry and would try and damage relationships for her own personal amusement. My Maternal Grandmother would LIE even when there just didnt seem to be a really big gain in doing that. The most notable difference between my mother and her mother was that my grandmother was more overt, non-passive in her approach to acting out her pathology, she would never have feigned illness or made up excuses for her behavior-which my mother does.

 

Also, for a very long time the folks around my mother thought that helping her meant accommodating ANYTHING she insisted that they do for her and/or that she said she just HAD to do, that disrupted their lives. So for a VERY long time her behavior WORKED for her. (Of course, resentments grew among those who were enabling her.) No one ever asked, Why? They just met her often passive-unreasonable-demands without question, feeling that to question anything would upset her and that if they upset her in ANY way that they were personally responsible for the next group of her bad behaviors. My mother is a classic example of the way that Variable Reinforcement works. For example: When your computer doesnt do what it should do, you try things that have worked in the past even though it doesnt always work, you at least try it because it has worked before.

 

My mother encountered problems with her strategies when both my twin sister and I became involved in behavioral health! We had become regarded as troublemakers when, as adolescents, we began challenging her disruptive dramas. Things ONLY got worse when we actively began asking about the long held tradition of doing whatever placated my mother! Despite all of that we continued to challenge unreasonable, extreme and ridiculous demands. We even went on to identify specific behaviors and pointed out the payoffs to those who had never questioned her odd intrusive, inappropriate and disruptive actions.

Now, those surviving family members see with crystal clarity what they were missing before and no longer feel a need to blindly accept unacceptable behaviors from my mother.

 

To answer your question, I do not believe that showing her via video how she appears would be helpful, at all. My mother's concerns have never been about ACTUAL CHANGE but in changing the way she APPEARS. Thus, she would want the video edited to make her look better rather than making change to behave better. As Dr. Phil often asks folks on the show, "So are you sorry you did that or are you sorry you got caught?" Regardless of what she might say, she is just sorry she got caught! And, if allowed time she will find someone to blame for that! 

 

Brenda

You don't think that she would see and hear just how phoney she appears and realize that everybody around her sees it too? (With the very possible exception of your father, who has a blind spot where she is concerned.)

The point is not to video her and then discuss it with her. The point is to let her watch it and do some self-examination on her own. If SHE mentions how insincere or manipulative she seems, THEN you can start a dialogue, but don't count on her to say anything. She is possibly so entrenched in her ways of thinking, like you said, that she will only work harder to be more convincing.

But there's always the chance that she will see herself and finally admit that she has become her mother, which hopefully would cause alarm and shame, and maybe a willingness to change.

 

 
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June 11, 2008, 1:59 pm PDT

I Got A Problem With A Pine Tree!

My whole California family is visiting, right now. My twin sister, her husband and my precious 15 year old niece! Their Here!

 

I love my twin sister. I mean, I REALLY DO LOVE MY TWIN!

 

She does have some OC issues going, though. Her biggest issue is feeling safe and secure at all times. (I have that one, too!) However, one of the ways she deals with and ensures this- for herself- is to check ALL of the doors at night, making SURE that they are locked and dead-bolted. She has been doing this for years and years! The ONLY trouble is AT MY HOUSE, when I can’t seem to fall asleep, I’ll go out and sit on my big front porch, from time to time. WELL…that little door checker then, just has to get back up and re-check the door that I have re-entered and again LOCKED, at my house! I said, “Hey, if you have to, you have to.”

 

Then, the other night she was particularly tired and she explained her dilemma and then asked ME NOT to touch MY doors again until morning! As I spoke empathically to her, accepting her concerns, I explained that I had the same concerns and I advised her that I do not leave doors unlocked. She then insisted that her rituals were always the same and suggested that I should just NOT ‘bother’ the doors again until she was awake the next morning!(I believe that this is the point where the ‘door issue’ became an inappropriate ‘control-your-sister issue’!)

I, then, calmly repeated what she had said and what that meant, for me. I understand her concerns around safety and security better than most people probably would! My sister would NOT budge! She even acknowledged just how unreasonable her dictate was and was becoming angry about that. Ultimately, I confronted her on my RIGHT TO FREEDOM of movement. Well, that went NO WHERE! She responded with, “Hey! You are talking to a Pine tree, here!” (Well, evidently I was!)

As I moved in a little closer, I explained to her that I had MOVED Pine trees BEFORE! It was then that my brother-in-law called my sister aside. And, in that moment with my shoulders square and my hands on my hips, with my chin jutted out, I felt like we were living out an old script from the Carol Burnett Show! I felt like Eunice! Well, my sister went on to bed without saying anything else. (One of those sure-fire ways to know that this AIN’T OVER, YET!)

The issue with the door hasn’t yet been resolved. My twin has backed off considerably, though-for now.

 

It will be interesting to see how this goes!

 

Brenda

 
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June 11, 2008, 2:19 pm PDT

Not a rock?

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My whole California family is visiting, right now. My twin sister, her husband and my precious 15 year old niece! Their Here!

 

I love my twin sister. I mean, I REALLY DO LOVE MY TWIN!

 

She does have some OC issues going, though. Her biggest issue is feeling safe and secure at all times. (I have that one, too!) However, one of the ways she deals with and ensures this- for herself- is to check ALL of the doors at night, making SURE that they are locked and dead-bolted. She has been doing this for years and years! The ONLY trouble is AT MY HOUSE, when I cant seem to fall asleep, Ill go out and sit on my big front porch, from time to time. WELLthat little door checker then, just has to get back up and re-check the door that I have re-entered and again LOCKED, at my house! I said, Hey, if you have to, you have to.

 

Then, the other night she was particularly tired and she explained her dilemma and then asked ME NOT to touch MY doors again until morning! As I spoke empathically to her, accepting her concerns, I explained that I had the same concerns and I advised her that I do not leave doors unlocked. She then insisted that her rituals were always the same and suggested that I should just NOT bother the doors again until she was awake the next morning!(I believe that this is the point where the door issue became an inappropriate control-your-sister issue!)

I, then, calmly repeated what she had said and what that meant, for me. I understand her concerns around safety and security better than most people probably would! My sister would NOT budge! She even acknowledged just how unreasonable her dictate was and was becoming angry about that. Ultimately, I confronted her on my RIGHT TO FREEDOM of movement. Well, that went NO WHERE! She responded with, Hey! You are talking to a Pine tree, here! (Well, evidently I was!)

As I moved in a little closer, I explained to her that I had MOVED Pine trees BEFORE! It was then that my brother-in-law called my sister aside. And, in that moment with my shoulders square and my hands on my hips, with my chin jutted out, I felt like we were living out an old script from the Carol Burnett Show! I felt like Eunice! Well, my sister went on to bed without saying anything else. (One of those sure-fire ways to know that this AINT OVER, YET!)

The issue with the door hasnt yet been resolved. My twin has backed off considerably, though-for now.

 

It will be interesting to see how this goes!

 

Brenda

Brenda, why a pine tree? True, pine trees can take root in clefts of boulders and eventally break them, but pine trees also bend in the wind, in order not to break themselves.
 
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June 11, 2008, 8:04 pm PDT

And I was complaining about back seat drivers (LOL)

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My whole California family is visiting, right now. My twin sister, her husband and my precious 15 year old niece! Their Here!

 

I love my twin sister. I mean, I REALLY DO LOVE MY TWIN!

 

She does have some OC issues going, though. Her biggest issue is feeling safe and secure at all times. (I have that one, too!) However, one of the ways she deals with and ensures this- for herself- is to check ALL of the doors at night, making SURE that they are locked and dead-bolted. She has been doing this for years and years! The ONLY trouble is AT MY HOUSE, when I cant seem to fall asleep, Ill go out and sit on my big front porch, from time to time. WELLthat little door checker then, just has to get back up and re-check the door that I have re-entered and again LOCKED, at my house! I said, Hey, if you have to, you have to.

 

Then, the other night she was particularly tired and she explained her dilemma and then asked ME NOT to touch MY doors again until morning! As I spoke empathically to her, accepting her concerns, I explained that I had the same concerns and I advised her that I do not leave doors unlocked. She then insisted that her rituals were always the same and suggested that I should just NOT bother the doors again until she was awake the next morning!(I believe that this is the point where the door issue became an inappropriate control-your-sister issue!)

I, then, calmly repeated what she had said and what that meant, for me. I understand her concerns around safety and security better than most people probably would! My sister would NOT budge! She even acknowledged just how unreasonable her dictate was and was becoming angry about that. Ultimately, I confronted her on my RIGHT TO FREEDOM of movement. Well, that went NO WHERE! She responded with, Hey! You are talking to a Pine tree, here! (Well, evidently I was!)

As I moved in a little closer, I explained to her that I had MOVED Pine trees BEFORE! It was then that my brother-in-law called my sister aside. And, in that moment with my shoulders square and my hands on my hips, with my chin jutted out, I felt like we were living out an old script from the Carol Burnett Show! I felt like Eunice! Well, my sister went on to bed without saying anything else. (One of those sure-fire ways to know that this AINT OVER, YET!)

The issue with the door hasnt yet been resolved. My twin has backed off considerably, though-for now.

 

It will be interesting to see how this goes!

 

Brenda

I can't believe I was complaining about back seat drivers, when your twin won't let you touch doors in your own house. (LOL) UNBELIEVABLE!  I would seriously call that a Jack Daniels moment.  (LOL) I'm praying for you Brenda.  I can't help you, but I am praying that you make it through this without a nervous break down.

 
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June 11, 2008, 8:33 pm PDT

I'm with you on that one.

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I don't blame you for being upset, especially when the grandmother of one young boy seemed not to care what was going on. This type of attitude sends the wrong message to the youngster and sets him up for some punishment at school if he is not talked to before then. She may have been embarrassed or at a loss to know what to do, or thought it was the place of her daughter or son to discipline their child. Or maybe she has been the victim of abuse in her life and "froze". Whatever the case, it was wrong of her to not deal with the situation.

Did you talk to your daughter about why you were upset with the young boy? Kids can get a mistaken idea of fault from something like this. You could tell her that maybe the boy has no sisters and wants to know what the difference between boys and girls is, but it's not up to her to show him. It's up to his parents.

Around age 6 children get a rush of hormones that will subside again, then come back in puberty. It is around this age that you tend to see the "I'll show you mine if you show me yours" games. It is more about curiosity than anything at this age, but there could be aggressive behavior if a child has been exposed to the sexual behavior of adults, either first hand or seeing adult films or adults engaging in sexual activities.

It's important that your daughter know she did nothing wrong and did not provoke it. Be sure to let her know that its OK to be curious, but that you can explain and show her things better than another curious child can.

Your daughter is lucky to have you looking out for her, I worry about the poor boys you mentioned.

I'm right there with you. 

 

Yes, I did explain to my baby that it wasn't her fault.   I aim to give my daughter a healthy self image and a knowledge that her body is beautiful.  I also have pointed out private parts already, and explained why they are private.  She's only 4, but she will tell another child to not touch her butt.  She says, "Please, do not touch my butt."  I can't help but laugh inside. 

 

But, that situation at the fast food play area...well, it was so different.  Every little warning sensor went off inside me.  I try to follow my gut in those situations.  Whether I'm wrong or right doesn't matter.  The safety of my little girl is the most important thing.  Both times I tried to not make too much of a scene.  For my daughter, I did my best to make it a smooth transition from play time to clean-up time.  When I told the boy in question, "Don't touch my daughter," I'm sure only the boy, my daughter, the grandmother and myself could hear.  I really wasn't going for the public embarrasment thing.  I was just trying to get the other adult to acknowledge my feelings on what was actually happening, and it certainly wasn't child's play.  When the boy wouldn't let up, I made a point to whisper to him.  My daughter couldn't hear us. 

 

Do I think my daughter knew the boy was being inappropriate?  Yep!  She sure didn't want to go in those tunnels with him.  In fact, she asked for my help to get the boy off her arm.  I'm sure her internal sensors were going off too. For a second I saw fear in her eyes when he wouldn't let go of her.  That's when I stood from my chair and took charge.  I knew that she knew, and she didn't know how to deal with the situation.

 

Dr. Phil has made a point to discuss the possibility of children molesting younger children.  We all know that children experiment.  As you wrote, "I'll show you mine, if you show me yours."  But, when there is a noticable age difference, then I think we should question what is experimentation and what is simply inappropriate. 

 
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June 12, 2008, 6:17 am PDT

Good for you!

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I'm right there with you. 

 

Yes, I did explain to my baby that it wasn't her fault.   I aim to give my daughter a healthy self image and a knowledge that her body is beautiful.  I also have pointed out private parts already, and explained why they are private.  She's only 4, but she will tell another child to not touch her butt.  She says, "Please, do not touch my butt."  I can't help but laugh inside. 

 

But, that situation at the fast food play area...well, it was so different.  Every little warning sensor went off inside me.  I try to follow my gut in those situations.  Whether I'm wrong or right doesn't matter.  The safety of my little girl is the most important thing.  Both times I tried to not make too much of a scene.  For my daughter, I did my best to make it a smooth transition from play time to clean-up time.  When I told the boy in question, "Don't touch my daughter," I'm sure only the boy, my daughter, the grandmother and myself could hear.  I really wasn't going for the public embarrasment thing.  I was just trying to get the other adult to acknowledge my feelings on what was actually happening, and it certainly wasn't child's play.  When the boy wouldn't let up, I made a point to whisper to him.  My daughter couldn't hear us. 

 

Do I think my daughter knew the boy was being inappropriate?  Yep!  She sure didn't want to go in those tunnels with him.  In fact, she asked for my help to get the boy off her arm.  I'm sure her internal sensors were going off too. For a second I saw fear in her eyes when he wouldn't let go of her.  That's when I stood from my chair and took charge.  I knew that she knew, and she didn't know how to deal with the situation.

 

Dr. Phil has made a point to discuss the possibility of children molesting younger children.  We all know that children experiment.  As you wrote, "I'll show you mine, if you show me yours."  But, when there is a noticable age difference, then I think we should question what is experimentation and what is simply inappropriate. 

When it comes to kids you have to follow your instincts, and theirs. I can see that you pay attention, which is what makes good parenting. You didn't mention how much of an age difference, so I wasn't going to go into scary details. I was molested by an older boy when I was a youngster. It was very nearly rape, but I got away with only taking a beating. (An adult happened by at a very good time.) I  also received unwanted, and unsolicited I might add, attention from adult males from the time I was 11.

Impress upon your daughter that it's OK to go to adults she feels safe with if this happens at school or anywhere else too. She is the boss of who gets close to her and who doesn't.

 

 
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June 12, 2008, 3:44 pm PDT

Once again, the loop has me back to square 1

Sometimes I wonder when I'll just be living and not coming back to the same place.  It's about remembering what's going to happen and coming up with DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT.  At least I caught myself this time before I began to go down the nasty little checklist of what I'm not doing.  Maybe that just means I'm doing it!  Sure hope so.
 
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June 12, 2008, 9:59 pm PDT

I Don't Know If This Fits....

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The reason I wanted to relate that little episode is because it was a good example of how our minds work. It's become second nature for me to bring awareness to certain mental and physical triggers, I was wondering if anybody else can relate?

Let me describe the event so you can compare for yourself:

We were out visiting garage sales in our new neighborhood when I found a bicycle that I really wanted at a price that I can afford at the moment. I was excited about taking it out all during the trip to the store to get new inner tubes. As hubby was inserting the tubes, he made the comment that I should go put on some shorts so as not to catch my pants legs in the chain while riding.

In that very instant my whole mood changed, and I didn't want to ride anymore because I've gained some weight and didn't want to be seen in shorts. Now, that part is only the logical thoughts and has been dealt with. What is interesting is that for the first time I stood back and "observed" the whole process taking place within my head. The very first thing that happened was that as soon as my husband said I should go change into shorts, I had a weird physical reaction- it was as if the lights had dimmed and I developed a narrowed field of vision for a couple of seconds. Then came the feeling of sadness and loss as I began telling myself all kinds of "reasons" why I shouldn't ride my new bike. And I slowed down the "tapes" and listened to every one of them: you'll look silly, it's been so long, you don't remember how, you'll hurt yourself, etc......

I sat down and asked the questions taught in SELF MATTERS and put them all to rest. Yes, it's been a very long time, and I should be careful because the risk of injury is there. As to the other concerns-  WHO CARES! No doubt some people already think I'm silly-looking without the bike and there's nothing I can do to change their minds. All I need is the bike and a stretch of relatively quiet road and I'll have a great time.

 

Have any of you ever experienced physical triggers when an abrupt change in thinking is taking place? After noticing it, I realize this has been the precursor to a shift in mood for me in the past as well. I think it's important to recognize these subtle changes. In the past, I would have blamed it on what my husband said, telling myself that he was critical and unsympathetic or something.

It's not him, it's what I tell myself about what he says.

When I read your post I found it interesting that you had the response after your husband suggested that you don some shorts and take a ride.

The first thing that I thought of-this also has nothing to do with the other person but your perception of what their message might mean.

I said that because I have been in situations where someone has made a suggestion and I did EXACTLY what you were describing, making excuses etc., when actually, on some level I felt that perhaps that individual was trying to dictate to me. In these situations, I can almost immediately determine intent. And, almost always it has to do with my desire to be ‘free’. And, in most situations- that DO NOT involve a first degree relative- I can see that the suggestion is just a suggestion. It has nothing to do with them, as you pointed out but with your own process. My reaction is directly linked to my own history of having been either actively or passively controlled by someone else through emotional blackmail, or just someone wishing to control my life and my choices.

 

That’s me, though.

 

Brenda

 
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June 12, 2008, 10:40 pm PDT

Yeah, I Thought 'Pine Tree' Was Not the Right Term Either....

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Brenda, why a pine tree? True, pine trees can take root in clefts of boulders and eventally break them, but pine trees also bend in the wind, in order not to break themselves.

However, that is the term SHE used to define her position as we were talking. Further, she used that term to alert me that she had NO intention of ‘bending in the wind’ about the doors.

I’m thinking that she confused a Petrified Pine with the garden variety evergreen, tall, and capable of bending kind of Pine tree.

So, I’m still trying to negotiate safety for her and freedom for me. Thus, far she has DISMISSED every single alternative, option or suggestion I have posed.

See, the issue for me is NOT going out on the porch every night, it’s about knowing that I have the freedom and the choice to do that without having to do battle in my own home, just to move when I choose to.

 

Brenda

 
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June 13, 2008, 7:04 am PDT

The rest of the story...

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When I read your post I found it interesting that you had the response after your husband suggested that you don some shorts and take a ride.

The first thing that I thought of-this also has nothing to do with the other person but your perception of what their message might mean.

I said that because I have been in situations where someone has made a suggestion and I did EXACTLY what you were describing, making excuses etc., when actually, on some level I felt that perhaps that individual was trying to dictate to me. In these situations, I can almost immediately determine intent. And, almost always it has to do with my desire to be free. And, in most situations- that DO NOT involve a first degree relative- I can see that the suggestion is just a suggestion. It has nothing to do with them, as you pointed out but with your own process. My reaction is directly linked to my own history of having been either actively or passively controlled by someone else through emotional blackmail, or just someone wishing to control my life and my choices.

 

Thats me, though.

 

Brenda

Funny you should pick up on the potential for a previous trigger, and there is one.

I'm very sensitive to my husband taking an authoritarian or parental role with me. When we first met,  I was newly divorced from a disastrous marriage and had an infant son. In short, I wasn't all there. My husband has a strong desire to be needed, and since I was SO needy at the time, we meshed. Unfortunately, what he was getting was NOT the real me, and when I began to heal, he began to try to keep me in that role. We had many marrital issues along the way to discovering the real us and how we wanted to define our relationship.

So, to this day whenever I get a hint that he is ordering me around in some way, I get this reaction. In this case, it was a simple comment by him with absolutely no authoritarian overtones, I just took it wrong.

 

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