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Created on : Thursday, July 07, 2005, 11:20:02 am
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Have you read "Self Matters" or become familiar with the process of uncovering your authentic self from watching the show? Share your story here.

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August 16, 2005, 6:03 pm PDT

Ritehere...You asked, so...

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Good to have you back, Brenda. Thanks for the congrats. I said earlier that we are planning to hike the last mountain in the pidtures but we've been debating that. The view will be the same if we hike that one, and we've seen that view. We also have a friend that will be joining us at the end of the month, so I think we may climb Mt. Elbert this time. It's a longer hike, and a little higher.
How did everything go with your sister, neice, and parents at the beach? Your posts sound relaxed. The boards are quiet lately, I think many are away on vacation or going back to school.

Returned from T.W.F.M. (That Whole Family Mess) 

We went to Lake Waccamaw with my Aunt Betty and visited with extended family members from BOTH sides of my mother and my fathers family! Very interesting and wonderful! 

I heard Dr. Phil say at some time, something I, in fact, know works. He had pointed out that it doesn’t take 2 people to make change in a relationship. I did a little ‘role’ change with my primary family. It was QUITE ILL received. I think because I’ve typically assumed a role of the ‘quiet one’, stepping in only when there’s need for ‘damage control’, help, or intervention, that I basically set myself up to fail. They really weren’t expecting me to claim time and space no matter how thoughtful I was in the approach to this. 

The whole visit was filled with every single emotion on the spectrum, expressed in a variety of ways. My mother, of course, provided the non-stop DRAMA. My sister , who is quite verbose, as well as very articulate, plays the role of ‘Whistle Blower’, scholar and entertainer.  

While my mother initially donned her candy-coated, super sweet persona toward everyone, that didn’t last long. This woman has spent HER life expressing her utter and complete distain for her children, has the belief that she would have had a happy and healthy life if we had never been born. She believes that we are responsible for the fact that she became psychotic when we were about 6 yrs. Old. Thus, it was a struggle for her to keep that presentation going and soon lost in, climbed in the bed, pulled the covers over her head, and basically spent about 18-20 hours of each day in bed. She did frequently call from her room for each of us to do things for her. Thankfully, there was ONLY one incident of a threat of physical violence- from my mother I swiftly intervened saying, “No!” Explaining that violence was UNACCEPTABLE!!! 

I really felt badly for my 13 yr. old niece, who really did not want to be there. (Wonder Why?) So, I made plans for outings, Putt-Putt Golf, the beach-when it wasn’t raining, even Bowling, ANYTHING! 

 
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August 16, 2005, 6:06 pm PDT

Ritehere...You asked, so... (con't)

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Good to have you back, Brenda. Thanks for the congrats. I said earlier that we are planning to hike the last mountain in the pidtures but we've been debating that. The view will be the same if we hike that one, and we've seen that view. We also have a friend that will be joining us at the end of the month, so I think we may climb Mt. Elbert this time. It's a longer hike, and a little higher.
How did everything go with your sister, neice, and parents at the beach? Your posts sound relaxed. The boards are quiet lately, I think many are away on vacation or going back to school.

After I returned my sister and my niece to the airport for their return flight, I had planned to hem-up loose ends regarding the building of my house and come home on Sunday. However, on Saturday evening my mother cornered me and began lamenting about her intense sadness about how my sister and I had never praised her on her mothering, never thanking her for all that she did. She then went on at length about how she had completed household chores when we were adolescents. Thus, I thanked her for the chores she did. Then using the kindest and most sensitive words and tone, I carefully explained that mothering, parenting involved more than ‘chores’. Further, that the relationship between parent and child involved more than one person. My mother stormed off in a huff. I really knew that I had NOT said what she wanted to hear because that would require extensive lying. On some level I knew that THIS was NOT over and that she WOULD devise a plan to disrupt the ENTIRE household in some way before I left. 

On Sunday she was up but refused to speak, refused to have lunch with my father and I, refused to interact verbally, period and ultimately returned to bed. As I concluded my packing I heard an all TOO familiar sound emanating from her room, loud talking and whaling that would require someone to come and check on her which I reluctantly did. Upon entering her room she was sobbing and yelling about how ‘thankless’ and awful her children were, that she felt God was punishing her by sending her people like us to her and (straight out of that scene from Young Frankenstein ), “I DO NOT WANT TO LIVE!!!” When I approached her she angrily swatted at me and warned me to ‘Get AWAY from ME!’ My poor tired father came in and she continued her ranting, insisted that he fetch her an additional dose of her tranquiller because of her dreadful children, “They don’t love me!” My father went to fetch an additional pill for her as I-outside of striking distance- began trying to talk with her. She initially refused to listen and began screaming to the top of her lungs to drown me out. I remained with her and continued to talk with her. She was seeking the ‘praise’ I had not offered the night before. Since I was unwilling to lie, I began talking to her about the belief I have that God puts every person in our lives for a reason. Further, that I believed that she was placed there for a reason. I spoke of how our circumstance allowed us to become self-reliant very early in our lives and that without her life for my sister and I would not have been possible. I also explained, that in our own way, we did in fact love her but neither she nor my sister and I had ANYTHING like a traditional mother/child relationship. Initially, she steam-rolled saying, “It’s going in one ear and out the other!”, over and over again. However, after about 15 mins. She was not yelling and was far less disruptive. About 2 mins. More she was sitting up smiling chatting about how awful her life was but that she was “all better, now. Thank You very much!” I stayed to be sure but she continued to chat, laughing, lively, got up out of the bed saying, “You need to be on the road. You just don’t know how much I worry about you!” 

I told my father that I would stay until Monday morning before heading back home. He was grateful. My mother remained ‘chipper’ after her outburst saying, “Ya know, my nerves have been so bad lately. I think it’s because of the pain in my back. I have just suffered so all of my life!” 

You’d think that she would get tired of the same CRAZY scene time after time but she never does. 

On Monday I came home!  

Welcome to my life! Thanks again for allowing me to bend your ear, Brenda 

 
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August 16, 2005, 7:00 pm PDT

Good Girl!!!

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Sorry, that the answer comes so much later. I just returned from the beach. 

  

1.) They called me!! I was stunned! 

  

2.) And, no, I haven't had the experience that these folks are liars. They seem quite trustworthy, in fact. 

  

NUF said. I think I 'get it'. Maybe I should just accept all of this as genuine.  

  

  

Thanks, Again! Brenda :-) 

I'm glad that you saw that you were letting your "lie" script run amok.   I'm so glad that yo feel better about your retirement.  And you previous life style. 

  

 
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August 16, 2005, 7:10 pm PDT

Add to last 2 posts

For anyone reading this board struggling with a situation similar to what I described, I do not recommend rewarding very negative behavior with more attention. I would recommend seeking outside help from a trained healthcare provider when a situation becomes this out of control!!! 

  

  

Thank you,   Brenda 

 
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August 16, 2005, 7:11 pm PDT

Mom & me....

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It's been my experience that having time with an individual who may have experienced us with ALL of our growing edges exposed, is very important in helping to re-build those relationships by making us, our intentions, and wishes clearer. 

  

I don't really know how close you live to your Mom or if you have really had an opportunity to allow her to see the new choices/changes you've made in you. I would strongly recommend patience in this relationship. It may take some time for her to 'accept' the new you; to fully recognize your work on you!  

  

Best Wishes, Brenda :-) 

Well, I spent another awful vacation with my mom and I received the strength to finally realized that my mom does love me, she just doesn't like me as a person.  I will never again put myself in a position where her nastiness or words will hurt me.  I was able to handle the first 3 days of her telling me to shut up, that I was so unhealthy, and I can't remember what else.  But this time, it was different because her sister (my aunt) kept telling my mom that "she wanted to hear what I had to say because it was interesting to her".    

  

I also took with me all sorts of notes for me to look at and it helped me realized that I was hoping to turn our relationship around and become friends.  The truth is, she doesn't like who I am and when I'm with other people, she attacks me.  In fact, this morning she attacked me when I woke up for the umpteenth time because she kept getting up and packing her suitcase while I was trying to sleep.  She knows I don't sleep well and that I'm night blind - but she wanted to leave really early and get home.  Needless-to-say, I slept about 5 hours, if that and left S.C. at 5:30 a.m. this morning and got home around 4 p.m.  I was so exhausted and if I said 50 words to her during the entire trip, she was lucky.    

  

But, I did a lot of thinking, working out the anger and when I finally allowed myself to say it for the first time - my mother doesn't like me as a person.  I don't think she ever did because I remember her nasty words since I was a teenager, maybe even before that.  I remember her yelling at me when I was younger that she wished I never had been born.   

  

I have finally acknowledged that I can't make this relationship work - I will still remain her daughter because I know she loves me and I do love her.  But neither of us like each other and that is okay.  God never said I had to like everybody.  It's been strange though, I feel that a great big weight has been lifted off of my shoulders.  She & I will still do things together but I will no longer participate in family events.   At least my friends are standing with me - telling me, give it another 2 weeks like always and things will calm down.  At least I'm no longer angry - I have accepted her dislike and now I can finally move on with my life.  

  

Marcia - a 52 year old woman who has finally accepted her mother. 

 
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August 16, 2005, 8:14 pm PDT

So true

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The people who make a difference in your life are not the ones with the most credentials, the most money, or the most awards. They are the ones that care.
 I hope this means you spent some time with those who care about you. I missed you here, glad to have you back.
 
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August 16, 2005, 8:21 pm PDT

Dear Brenda,

 Well, they have an emote for embarrassed, but not for wincing. I really missed the mark with that "relaxed" conclusion didn't I? I guess it was more like exhausted huh?
May I ask you something? What would have happened if you, or nobody, went up those stairs to see what the noise was all about? I mean, you knew that's what she expected, you've got her behavior down cold. Does it eventually lead to violent outbursts if she is ignored?
 
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August 16, 2005, 8:31 pm PDT

Dear Marcia,

I'm sorry it didn't turn out the way you wanted it to. But I can see that you have made your peace with it. We don't get to choose the families we are born into, and we can't control other's emotions or actions. We can try to influence them, but in the end, they will be who they will be. I too love my mother, but we'll never have the "buddies" relationship she shares with my two younger sisters.   
 
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August 16, 2005, 9:42 pm PDT

It's been a rough week everyone,

          Living is a form of not being sure,
            not knowing what next or how.
         The moment we know how, we begin
         to die a little. We never entirely know.
          We guess. We may be wrong, but we
              take leap after leap in the dark.
                          -Agnes De Mille
                                  
                                   Or,

                    Makin' it in life is kinda
                       like bustin' broncs:
                         you're gonna get
                            thrown a lot.
                         The simple secret
                          is to keep gettin'
                               back on.
                          -cowboy Texas Bix Bender

 Here's hoping things start looking up for everybody.





 
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August 17, 2005, 7:12 am PDT

That's Ritehere....

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I'm sorry it didn't turn out the way you wanted it to. But I can see that you have made your peace with it. We don't get to choose the families we are born into, and we can't control other's emotions or actions. We can try to influence them, but in the end, they will be who they will be. I too love my mother, but we'll never have the "buddies" relationship she shares with my two younger sisters.   

A long time ago (sounds like the beginning of a fairy tale doesn't it), I read a book that said that we do choose our parents, family, mistakes, hurts as children.  That we do this when we are with GOD and that when we do this, we are choosing the lessons on this plane.  That knowledge has helped me to see my life events differently.  I also believe that if I don't get it right this time, I'll come back here - it's called KARMA.  It's also called Reincarnation.  That I will return again and again because when I'm up there, I see it differently.  My goal is to never ever come back here again. 

  

For me, the AHA moment came with my mom when I was eating lunch with a girlfriend and I was talking to her about the events.  I needed another outside person to help me because all my other friends had been in my life for so long they were no longer able to see the situation any different than what it is for me. 

  

She asked me 1 question:  How old was my mother when she had me:  I told her 19 years old.  She told me, your mother is really close to your age and is jealous of you.  I thought she was crazy but I journaled about it, I thought about it, and then I used it on the next situation and it fitted. 

  

My mother is jealous of me - she doesn't want me to talk because than others would like me more.  When I was with her family, I saw it clearly and it is just her truth.  Her own lack of self-esteem is at the very core of it. 

  

And I too know what it's like to know that my other siblings are her "buddies" - and that's okay cause now, I can get on with my own life and know that she has them to fall back onto.  I don't have to feel guilty or ashamed that I'm not doing right to her.   

  

The best piece is that I had an AHA moment when I was writing about this weekend's event to my WLC Support Group - I realized why I talk so much -- I've been chastised so much that I'm repeating her behavior and it's a reflection I share with her.  I can now challenge that behavior with the truth and I will no longer be like her anymore.   

  

Martha Beck wrote an article a while ago about reflection/mirrors -- that what we don't like in someone else is because it's apart of who we are!  I first read about this in Shakti Gawain's book LIVING IN THE LIGHT back in the early 90's.  It allowed me to change quite a bit of my thinking/behaviors/habits. 

 
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