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Have you read "Self Matters" or become familiar with the process of uncovering your authentic self from watching the show? Share your story here.

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August 17, 2005, 7:45 am PDT

I've read books on that subject too,

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A long time ago (sounds like the beginning of a fairy tale doesn't it), I read a book that said that we do choose our parents, family, mistakes, hurts as children.  That we do this when we are with GOD and that when we do this, we are choosing the lessons on this plane.  That knowledge has helped me to see my life events differently.  I also believe that if I don't get it right this time, I'll come back here - it's called KARMA.  It's also called Reincarnation.  That I will return again and again because when I'm up there, I see it differently.  My goal is to never ever come back here again. 

  

For me, the AHA moment came with my mom when I was eating lunch with a girlfriend and I was talking to her about the events.  I needed another outside person to help me because all my other friends had been in my life for so long they were no longer able to see the situation any different than what it is for me. 

  

She asked me 1 question:  How old was my mother when she had me:  I told her 19 years old.  She told me, your mother is really close to your age and is jealous of you.  I thought she was crazy but I journaled about it, I thought about it, and then I used it on the next situation and it fitted. 

  

My mother is jealous of me - she doesn't want me to talk because than others would like me more.  When I was with her family, I saw it clearly and it is just her truth.  Her own lack of self-esteem is at the very core of it. 

  

And I too know what it's like to know that my other siblings are her "buddies" - and that's okay cause now, I can get on with my own life and know that she has them to fall back onto.  I don't have to feel guilty or ashamed that I'm not doing right to her.   

  

The best piece is that I had an AHA moment when I was writing about this weekend's event to my WLC Support Group - I realized why I talk so much -- I've been chastised so much that I'm repeating her behavior and it's a reflection I share with her.  I can now challenge that behavior with the truth and I will no longer be like her anymore.   

  

Martha Beck wrote an article a while ago about reflection/mirrors -- that what we don't like in someone else is because it's apart of who we are!  I first read about this in Shakti Gawain's book LIVING IN THE LIGHT back in the early 90's.  It allowed me to change quite a bit of my thinking/behaviors/habits. 

It can be comforting to think that we are born with a master plan, that our soul picked likely people and scenarios to learn the lessons it needs to progress. It's also a great comfort to think of Karma in this way, if everybody's on "different levels" it makes it so much easier not to be judgemental. Yes I've done extensive reading, and continue to. I still have to admit, though, I don't know. All I know for sure is that there is something beyond this life, this plane if you will. I've touched it, it has touched me. I've been assured that it's OK to question. I know that what makes me whole inside usually doesn't involve "the easy way out."
I've also read that there are "exit points" that we can choose if this existence becomes too much. So far, I have been presented with several, and am still here. But I don't know. I don't know if being the best possible human will get me any farther in the big picture, I just know that it feels right. I'm comfortable with not knowing, and I've been assured that this is OK.
 
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August 17, 2005, 8:50 am PDT

Dear Brenda,

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After I returned my sister and my niece to the airport for their return flight, I had planned to hem-up loose ends regarding the building of my house and come home on Sunday. However, on Saturday evening my mother cornered me and began lamenting about her intense sadness about how my sister and I had never praised her on her mothering, never thanking her for all that she did. She then went on at length about how she had completed household chores when we were adolescents. Thus, I thanked her for the chores she did. Then using the kindest and most sensitive words and tone, I carefully explained that mothering, parenting involved more than ‘chores’. Further, that the relationship between parent and child involved more than one person. My mother stormed off in a huff. I really knew that I had NOT said what she wanted to hear because that would require extensive lying. On some level I knew that THIS was NOT over and that she WOULD devise a plan to disrupt the ENTIRE household in some way before I left. 

On Sunday she was up but refused to speak, refused to have lunch with my father and I, refused to interact verbally, period and ultimately returned to bed. As I concluded my packing I heard an all TOO familiar sound emanating from her room, loud talking and whaling that would require someone to come and check on her which I reluctantly did. Upon entering her room she was sobbing and yelling about how ‘thankless’ and awful her children were, that she felt God was punishing her by sending her people like us to her and (straight out of that scene from Young Frankenstein ), “I DO NOT WANT TO LIVE!!!” When I approached her she angrily swatted at me and warned me to ‘Get AWAY from ME!’ My poor tired father came in and she continued her ranting, insisted that he fetch her an additional dose of her tranquiller because of her dreadful children, “They don’t love me!” My father went to fetch an additional pill for her as I-outside of striking distance- began trying to talk with her. She initially refused to listen and began screaming to the top of her lungs to drown me out. I remained with her and continued to talk with her. She was seeking the ‘praise’ I had not offered the night before. Since I was unwilling to lie, I began talking to her about the belief I have that God puts every person in our lives for a reason. Further, that I believed that she was placed there for a reason. I spoke of how our circumstance allowed us to become self-reliant very early in our lives and that without her life for my sister and I would not have been possible. I also explained, that in our own way, we did in fact love her but neither she nor my sister and I had ANYTHING like a traditional mother/child relationship. Initially, she steam-rolled saying, “It’s going in one ear and out the other!”, over and over again. However, after about 15 mins. She was not yelling and was far less disruptive. About 2 mins. More she was sitting up smiling chatting about how awful her life was but that she was “all better, now. Thank You very much!” I stayed to be sure but she continued to chat, laughing, lively, got up out of the bed saying, “You need to be on the road. You just don’t know how much I worry about you!” 

I told my father that I would stay until Monday morning before heading back home. He was grateful. My mother remained ‘chipper’ after her outburst saying, “Ya know, my nerves have been so bad lately. I think it’s because of the pain in my back. I have just suffered so all of my life!” 

You’d think that she would get tired of the same CRAZY scene time after time but she never does. 

On Monday I came home!  

Welcome to my life! Thanks again for allowing me to bend your ear, Brenda 

Dear Brenda, 

  

It as been a while since i wrote to you but let me tell you that you have been on my prayers.I am sorry to see that things don't get better with your mother. I guess that the quote you just wrote is the right answer not only for her but for you too. It is true that God puts some people in our lives for a reason. You must find the WHY question so you learn how to deal with her. 

  

I think that when you go in her room she feels the power she has over you and everyone for that matter.She controls all of you and you give her the right to do so.What will happen if you didn't go? Have you ever try ignoring her like we do with children? 

  

She doesn't deserve a wonderful daughter like you and she should acknowledge it and grow up. Has anyone ever confronted her with her selfish personnality? Your father must be an angel to have endure her  for so long. I don`t think it is ever too late to make things right in life no matter the age or the situation. She should apologized to you not the other way around. 

  

I wish you time to reconnect to serenity . 

  

Friendship always Lyne xoxoxox 

 
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August 17, 2005, 9:39 am PDT

Can you say...WIMP?!?!

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 Well, they have an emote for embarrassed, but not for wincing. I really missed the mark with that "relaxed" conclusion didn't I? I guess it was more like exhausted huh?
May I ask you something? What would have happened if you, or nobody, went up those stairs to see what the noise was all about? I mean, you knew that's what she expected, you've got her behavior down cold. Does it eventually lead to violent outbursts if she is ignored?

Well, actually that is a VERY good question. The answer is complicated and involved. It’s about the FAMILY pathology and ENABLING, myself included! 

The truth is if I hadn’t gone to her she would have resorted to ANY tactics necessary to acquire the attention she was seeking! And, I do mean ANY. Because she don’t stop at the top or the worst scenario imaginable, to most people. It’s kinda like being held hostage.  

However, with my father there he would have responded whether I did or not. I was the one she was out for. My father has always insisted that my mother be managed in this way. He knows that giving her attention on demand will satisfy her for a period of time. What he consistently misses is that rewarding this wildly inappropriate behavior actually reinforces it! Thus, he/we provide her with a pay off for engaging in such extreme DRAMA. I have spent a great deal of my life trying to help him make different choices but he refuses because he has to be prepared to live with the consequences of denying her attention on demand. Since he has to live with her and is unwilling to do anything that will not produce INSTANT results, I have complied with his wishes. I have done this KNOWING that this is a sure fire way of keeping this the SAME, because my father simply WON’T stand for anything else! 

The entire extended family share this thinking. They are ALL kind and wonderful, well-intentioned little country people who believe that her ‘condition’ is just far TOO mysterious to be understood. They view her and her situation as ‘pitiful’ and view MY take on her manipulation as just plain ‘mean’ and ‘cruel’! 

That is why I call this, ‘That Whole Family Mess’! T.W.F.M. ( pronounced as ‘twiffum’.) 

Thus, EVERY single time I do this there is a part of me screaming at myself saying, “YOU are NUTS!” and “Do YOU KNOW how crazy YOU are?!?!” 

Yours Very Truly, Brenda - (The NUT poster child for 2005!) 

 
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August 17, 2005, 10:31 am PDT

Thanks, Lyne...

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Dear Brenda, 

  

It as been a while since i wrote to you but let me tell you that you have been on my prayers.I am sorry to see that things don't get better with your mother. I guess that the quote you just wrote is the right answer not only for her but for you too. It is true that God puts some people in our lives for a reason. You must find the WHY question so you learn how to deal with her. 

  

I think that when you go in her room she feels the power she has over you and everyone for that matter.She controls all of you and you give her the right to do so.What will happen if you didn't go? Have you ever try ignoring her like we do with children? 

  

She doesn't deserve a wonderful daughter like you and she should acknowledge it and grow up. Has anyone ever confronted her with her selfish personnality? Your father must be an angel to have endure her  for so long. I dont think it is ever too late to make things right in life no matter the age or the situation. She should apologized to you not the other way around. 

  

I wish you time to reconnect to serenity . 

  

Friendship always Lyne xoxoxox 

Of course, there is a whole lot of truth in what you're saying! Especially, regarding her use of extreme behavior to control the family. Please see the post to Ritehere-Linda! 

 

Thank you for you thoughts and prayers. This has been an almost life-long struggle. I am certainly not without responsibility, here.  

  

I'm going to spend some time brain-storming. There may be some more creative approaches to dealing with the family in this matter, particularly, my father. If you or anyone else have any ideas they sure would be appreciated. I have tried a variety of things. Without family involvement, my mother can very quickly undermine anything!  

  

Thanks, Again!    Brenda 

 
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August 17, 2005, 11:06 am PDT

No Doubt about it...Mothers can be...Mothers!!!

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Well, I spent another awful vacation with my mom and I received the strength to finally realized that my mom does love me, she just doesn't like me as a person.  I will never again put myself in a position where her nastiness or words will hurt me.  I was able to handle the first 3 days of her telling me to shut up, that I was so unhealthy, and I can't remember what else.  But this time, it was different because her sister (my aunt) kept telling my mom that "she wanted to hear what I had to say because it was interesting to her".    

  

I also took with me all sorts of notes for me to look at and it helped me realized that I was hoping to turn our relationship around and become friends.  The truth is, she doesn't like who I am and when I'm with other people, she attacks me.  In fact, this morning she attacked me when I woke up for the umpteenth time because she kept getting up and packing her suitcase while I was trying to sleep.  She knows I don't sleep well and that I'm night blind - but she wanted to leave really early and get home.  Needless-to-say, I slept about 5 hours, if that and left S.C. at 5:30 a.m. this morning and got home around 4 p.m.  I was so exhausted and if I said 50 words to her during the entire trip, she was lucky.    

  

But, I did a lot of thinking, working out the anger and when I finally allowed myself to say it for the first time - my mother doesn't like me as a person.  I don't think she ever did because I remember her nasty words since I was a teenager, maybe even before that.  I remember her yelling at me when I was younger that she wished I never had been born.   

  

I have finally acknowledged that I can't make this relationship work - I will still remain her daughter because I know she loves me and I do love her.  But neither of us like each other and that is okay.  God never said I had to like everybody.  It's been strange though, I feel that a great big weight has been lifted off of my shoulders.  She & I will still do things together but I will no longer participate in family events.   At least my friends are standing with me - telling me, give it another 2 weeks like always and things will calm down.  At least I'm no longer angry - I have accepted her dislike and now I can finally move on with my life.  

  

Marcia - a 52 year old woman who has finally accepted her mother. 

I am sorry to hear that you had such a negative experience in your efforts to reach out to your mother. 

It does sound like you've at least come to a resolve about where you are with her, though. Glad you were able to process the anger. 

I particularly liked your sign-off, "Marcia- a 52 year old woman who has finally accepted her mother." 

 

I sure ain't able to exactly say I've accepted mine! 

  

I saw that you visited the 'Palmetto State'! My home.  

  

Take Care. I sure can relate to BAD 'mother' experiences!!! 

  

  

Brenda  

 
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August 17, 2005, 12:29 pm PDT

Hi Brenda

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I am sorry to hear that you had such a negative experience in your efforts to reach out to your mother. 

It does sound like you've at least come to a resolve about where you are with her, though. Glad you were able to process the anger. 

I particularly liked your sign-off, "Marcia- a 52 year old woman who has finally accepted her mother." 

 

I sure ain't able to exactly say I've accepted mine! 

  

I saw that you visited the 'Palmetto State'! My home.  

  

Take Care. I sure can relate to BAD 'mother' experiences!!! 

  

  

Brenda  

My goal was to finally bring closure with my mom & I.  I needed to acknowledge the truth about our relationship and in all honesty, I have no anger or bitterness.  I know where & why she's like she is ... we are products of our childhood experiences and she really didn't have it easy.  Fact is, I really don't have much to complain about when I hear others talk/write about their's. 

  

But today, I felt really really good cause I went shopping for the Walton School kids - they are coming to school with no supplies so I went & got them some.  I picked up 20 boxes of crayons in Rock Hill, SC flea market (man gave me 10 boxes when I told him what they were for -- his price was 5 boxes for $1); today I picked up notebook paper (3 pkgs - 325 sheets in each pkg); 3 binders; 3 packages of pens, 12 bottles of white glue for $3, 9 rullers for $3; 3 writing pads for $3; and 6 pkgs of pencil top erasers (25 in each pkg) for $3.  I'm going back to Walgreens to buy more binders, pens & notebook paper later this week.   It lifted my spirits and doing this type of work is something my mom did teach me. 

  

Brenda, I finally was able to turn my Self Matter tools to my mom a few months ago and it's been hard because I do love her and she loves me - she's just doesn't like all that makes me a person.  But that's her pattern speaking and I know she doesn't know she's got a script like that.  She did call me this morning and apolized for being such a bitchy person.  And for her, that's a major accomplishment for me.  But I now know what triggers and I can make sure that it's not trigger around me anymore!  I made alist -- in fact, I took my little pieces of paper with all my little notes with me and read them over and over every day to make sure that I kept my focus.  It worked BIG TIME!!!  Now, I am able to focus on other stuff. 

  

Today, I applied for a job at a catholic thrift shop -- I would love to do that type of charity work.  To give back -- again, that's something my mom has taught me.   She has so many good things about her - and a lot of it has been absorbed by me and I'm so thankful for it. 

  

Marcia 

 
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August 17, 2005, 2:34 pm PDT

Brenda, Brenda

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Well, actually that is a VERY good question. The answer is complicated and involved. It’s about the FAMILY pathology and ENABLING, myself included! 

The truth is if I hadn’t gone to her she would have resorted to ANY tactics necessary to acquire the attention she was seeking! And, I do mean ANY. Because she don’t stop at the top or the worst scenario imaginable, to most people. It’s kinda like being held hostage.  

However, with my father there he would have responded whether I did or not. I was the one she was out for. My father has always insisted that my mother be managed in this way. He knows that giving her attention on demand will satisfy her for a period of time. What he consistently misses is that rewarding this wildly inappropriate behavior actually reinforces it! Thus, he/we provide her with a pay off for engaging in such extreme DRAMA. I have spent a great deal of my life trying to help him make different choices but he refuses because he has to be prepared to live with the consequences of denying her attention on demand. Since he has to live with her and is unwilling to do anything that will not produce INSTANT results, I have complied with his wishes. I have done this KNOWING that this is a sure fire way of keeping this the SAME, because my father simply WON’T stand for anything else! 

The entire extended family share this thinking. They are ALL kind and wonderful, well-intentioned little country people who believe that her ‘condition’ is just far TOO mysterious to be understood. They view her and her situation as ‘pitiful’ and view MY take on her manipulation as just plain ‘mean’ and ‘cruel’! 

That is why I call this, ‘That Whole Family Mess’! T.W.F.M. ( pronounced as ‘twiffum’.) 

Thus, EVERY single time I do this there is a part of me screaming at myself saying, “YOU are NUTS!” and “Do YOU KNOW how crazy YOU are?!?!” 

Yours Very Truly, Brenda - (The NUT poster child for 2005!) 

 I certainly don't think you are a wimp, or a nut. You are a very strong, long suffering daughter who is doing what she feels is right on behalf of her father, who she loves dearly. Your mother's actions are that of a spoiled 2 year old. I don't know what her diagnoses is, or what kind of medications she is on, but it certainly sounds like your dad took the easy road, hoping to keep the peace.
If you haven't already, I would have discussions with your father and your sister, in the event you are left to care for your mother. Now is the time to come to terms with what can be expected, and what each of you are willing to do for her. This can be very painful, but can be a wake up call.
My husband had a tyrant for a father, and a mother who enabled him and took the heat of most of his ugliness. When my mother-in-law passed away first, the old man first tried to get my sister-in-law to divorce so she could move in and take care of him. When that didn't work, he tried to move in with us. I won't go into the details, suffice to say it was high drama. He saw his children as nothing more than possessions, and it was a huge shock to him when they stood up to him. They had always towed the line for their mother. They halfways made up when he came around to being civil, but he ended his days a lonely bitter old man. I don't know if standing up to him while his mother was still here would have worked for my husband, because she always took the verbal and mental abuse when nobody else was around. The old man didn't need anybody else to lord it over when he had her. But he did finally admit to some of his behavior, and regretted the way he had treated his wife all those years. But it was too late.
I don't  know if this helps, but if you can have a decent relationship with your mother before it's too late, my husband would tell you to go for it.
 
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August 17, 2005, 4:49 pm PDT

My mom said she was sorry ....

Mom called me this morning and left a voice mail that she was sorry that she was sorry she was so bitchy.  For her it's a first.  She called later tonite and we talked - and that's another first cause usually it takes me days to get over the anger - but I talked to her and when we ended the phone call, I told her I loved her. 

  

ALl this time I was afraid to be truthful to her and now, well, I have rules in place and they will remain - my own mental health is at stake. 

  

But I'm so glad I chose to turn to Self Matters and committing 3 years of my life to step back and stop the merry-go-round / roller coaster ride I've been on for so long. I like growing up and becoming an adult! 

  

 
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August 18, 2005, 6:57 am PDT

I'm so happy for you!

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Mom called me this morning and left a voice mail that she was sorry that she was sorry she was so bitchy.  For her it's a first.  She called later tonite and we talked - and that's another first cause usually it takes me days to get over the anger - but I talked to her and when we ended the phone call, I told her I loved her. 

  

ALl this time I was afraid to be truthful to her and now, well, I have rules in place and they will remain - my own mental health is at stake. 

  

But I'm so glad I chose to turn to Self Matters and committing 3 years of my life to step back and stop the merry-go-round / roller coaster ride I've been on for so long. I like growing up and becoming an adult! 

  

 Your mother has sensed the change in you, she does not have the power to get to you anymore, so is re-evaluating her position. I don't think they ever consciously see it that way, they are just so used to being the way they've always been. When you are different, they will react differently to you. Such a simple concept isn't it? But such a long way to get there. Congratulations and welcome to your life.

 
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August 18, 2005, 7:04 am PDT

My "I'm DYING" is being validated!

I'm not really dying - however, since May I've been dealing with thoughts that I'm going to die.  In May, I performed with my girlfriend at a show (it was my 5-6th performance in the last couple of years) and at the time.  The difference for this event was that I was seeing closures for all my 10-40 year old goals because I'm checking them off.  I began to have such FEARS running amok within me.  When I went to performed, I was so sick - I felt like I was going to DIE.  YES FOR REAL!!  And every month, that same DEATH FEAR pops up it's ugly little head and I've dealt with it accordingly.  In fact, right before I left for S.C. I had a couple DIE thoughts again - but I was able to easily switch my thinking to something else. 

  

Well, yesterday, I was going thru Good Housekeeping for september 05 and on page 148, I tore out this 4 step FIGHT YOUR FEARS WITH THIS BEST-SELLING TECHNIQUE.  There's this 4-circle target: 

  

Inner Circle has COMFORT ZONE printed in it. 

The next circle has STRETCH 

The 3rd circle has RISK and the 

4th & last circle has:  DIE 

  

I'm going to get the book from the library if I can - CHANGE YOUR LIFE IN 30 DAYS BY RHONDA BRITTEN.   It is a validation for me.  I can't wait to see what she writes about goal work because I know that it works!  It was and has been so painful for me to finally accept that I have placed myself on hold for nearly 40 years and more.  It's also painful that I'm 52 years old and just now giving myself permission to get pass my long-time goals so that I can have my foundation in place.  Simple things like cooking, maintaining a NEAT home, sewing, and a healthy life style have been on my TO DO list for so many years; some for over 40 years.  It's kinda scary to acknowledge that when I finally obtain these very basic ME (foundation) goals, I'm not sure what my interests will be or where I'm going from here.   

  

I've been validated with my feelings - I have been on-track and I'm doing the right thing!  Isn't that the coolest thing!!! 

 
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