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Created on : Thursday, July 07, 2005, 11:20:02 am
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Have you read "Self Matters" or become familiar with the process of uncovering your authentic self from watching the show? Share your story here.

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June 7, 2006, 4:54 pm PDT

how do i really find my authentic self

I have been trying to get through "Self Matters" and even have it on CD for the car but all the crap that it brings up just gets me down.  

How do I work through this "stuff" for the umteenth time and make it to the other side.  

I want a happy productive life.  

I have a good honest husband who in his own way supports me in any way he can.  

I feel like i just want to drown my sorrows but that is just old coping mechanisims at work.  

I lost my job last week and cant even find the motivation to get out there and look for something new.  

I'm stuck  

anyone have any good advice for me?  

 
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June 8, 2006, 5:02 am PDT

I experienced different .....

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 I've got to the point where (most times) when a person says or does something to me that I find offensive, I don't even analyze that they might be having a bad day. I immediately go into the 4 questions from Self Matters: Is this true? Does holding this thought serve my best interests? Will this thought advance or protect my health? Does this thought, attitude, or belief get me more of what I want, need and deserve.
The bad day part is their responsibility, not mine. It's my responsibility to decide whether it's in my best interests to listen further to their criticism or to move on.
I know what you mean about religion. I think parents should know exactly what their children are being taught by questioning them and perhaps sitting in on classes, be it church or school.
I lived in a very orthodox Catholic community for a while as a child. As the only Protestant family for many miles around, we were the convenient scapegoats for all kinds of nonsense. For a very long time the Father had been using Thursdays for his catechism classes. The public school would close early for catechism. My brother, sister, and I would have the choice of getting out early and going home, or stay for the catholic class. My parents, being liberal, left it up to us. We could walk home, about a mile, or go to the class, or just hang out at the school until the bus came. In fine weather we would walk home, in bad we would wait for the bus and read or something till it came. After attending the catechism class once, we decided it was not for us. And really, what kid wouldn't if the choice were left to him or her? The Father was a stern, no-nonsense, by the book disciplinarian. The classes were not fun and most of the kids were very jealous of us. This caused problems. The Father at one point actually told us that he could make us Catholic whether we wanted to or not. We had already discussed things with our parents, and were assured that this was hogwash. Also, our parents had told us that having catechism in the school was against the law, which we didn't understand. However, once we mentioned this we were left alone.
I'm not relating this because I think religion is bad, or the Catholic church in particular is bad. These kinds of abuses happen all the time, in all religions, because people get carried away with their own sense of what is right. In his little community the Father was the law, until the world at large stepped in in the form of 3 children who were informed of their rights by their parents. As parents we hold an awesome responsibility to instill good thinking in our children.

Linda, my experiences were really different. When it came to those classes I was pulled out of the room because I went a little nuts.  I did this swan fights because I was told to be quiet and pretend I wasn't there ... the sisters at the school came together and I ended up joining a choir or something.  They pulled out others from their classes and we all met in 1 room.  It was cool.    

  

However, for me, it was the parents prejudge that showed me that things were different. I was to participate in a regilious ceremony and the parents objected and I ended not participating at all. I was to be an angel ... with wings.   

  

I have no memories of the kids objecting. But they must have to their parents.  For me, I was lucky to have found sisters that liked me. 

  

I don't think my parents would have said "nay" to being told I was evil. I kept my molestation  a secret from them so they would have gone along with the sunday school teacher.  Remember, eve as a child I knew that something bad had happened. I didn't understand why or anything - yet deep down inside, I knew it wasn't right -- I had to keep it a secret. 

  

I think we need to teach kids that those secrets will destroy you - you need to open your mouth and say something -- it's like we join a club of secrets that if we do not open up and say something, we lose years and years of our lives. 

 
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June 8, 2006, 5:13 am PDT

It's always hard going at first....

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I have been trying to get through "Self Matters" and even have it on CD for the car but all the crap that it brings up just gets me down.  

How do I work through this "stuff" for the umteenth time and make it to the other side.  

I want a happy productive life.  

I have a good honest husband who in his own way supports me in any way he can.  

I feel like i just want to drown my sorrows but that is just old coping mechanisims at work.  

I lost my job last week and cant even find the motivation to get out there and look for something new.  

I'm stuck  

anyone have any good advice for me?  

Reading Self Matters and doing the exercises brings up all the painful memories that are part of your day-to-day existance.  Are you in the 1st half of the book?  Or the 2nd half? 

  

For me, I had to tell myself to just do the exercises and read the book.  I had to force myself to withstand the painful memories.  That they surfaced so intensely was mind numbing for me. And they made me understand that if my past were my past then these memories wouldn't hold me prisoner. So the truth was I was living a lie - I was always telling people that my past didn't run my life and yet how could their memories be so painful.  Memories are just memories -- I mean, my memories of going to the sea shore was good memories - they were memories that didn't bring pain. 

  

For me, I selected a long time goal that I could write out what I needed to do to learn it -- I chose Sewing - I could come up with a list of TO DOs. So in the summer of 2004, after I had finally finished reading Self Matters - I kept the book and workbook beside me as I took 2 classes back to back to listen to what I was saying.  It was my way of practicing the technique.  It worked for me. 

  

Once the 2 classes were over, I was able to turn to listening to other things I was saying to myself. I developed ways of listening ... like sitting down at the table with pencil, pens, journals, the books.  Then I would write what I wanted to work on at the top of my journal page and then proceed to write.  Back then, I would just get up and walk away. However, because everything was right there, I knew that I had left unfinished business ... so I would go back, begin to re-read what I wrote -- add some more and then a day or so later return to it.  It got easier over time. 

  

But that's the way of it isn't it.  You want to lose weight or look for a new job -- you do a little planning and the next day you wake up and move on.  A month or so later, you remember you were planning to do it and it keeps going like that.  SELF MATTERS taught me to just give the time and energy to tackling my tapes and releasing myself from the heartache I was existing in. 

  

Today, I'm able to quickily realize that a tape has gone off - my cycles are shorter (matter of days now) -- I have shorten the "listening" to a minute or two.  It takes time, it takes commitment -- however, I can tell you from my own experience that it's been worth it!  I'm living for the 1st time in my life without pain running my life.  I'm able to plan, to enjoy going places and I've become at peace . it's really a great place to get to.   

 
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June 8, 2006, 8:52 am PDT

Wow, Stango!

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Does anyone no how to effectively deal with bordom?  I don't look forward to doing anything in mylife because I feel a bored 24/7.  During 6 years of college, and 5 different majors, I don't remember enjoying one lecture.  I've not skipped out of 5 interviews since may, and It's such a drag to get up.  I don't wanna kill my self or anything, but damn, does life have to feel this way?  Most people say I'm bored because I don't drink.  Is life only about tipping a beer can?  

 6 years huh? Have you graduated now? Maybe the school of experience will be more your style. Many people graduate and never pursue the career they majored in. Alot of times you'll be hired just because you stuck it out and got a degree, even if the degree does not pertain to the job you're interviewing for.
And no, life is not about tipping a beer can.
 
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June 8, 2006, 8:56 am PDT

Yes, some of the chapters are downers.

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I have been trying to get through "Self Matters" and even have it on CD for the car but all the crap that it brings up just gets me down.  

How do I work through this "stuff" for the umteenth time and make it to the other side.  

I want a happy productive life.  

I have a good honest husband who in his own way supports me in any way he can.  

I feel like i just want to drown my sorrows but that is just old coping mechanisims at work.  

I lost my job last week and cant even find the motivation to get out there and look for something new.  

I'm stuck  

anyone have any good advice for me?  

 I don't know how you can do this in the car. I barricaded myself in a bedroom, locked the door, unplugged the phone and told everybody that I needed alone time. I took it a chapter at a time and really immersed myself. If you consider it like therapy, which it is, then you must give it your undivided attention.
For me the emotional release and letting go was like a catharsis, but to get there you have to wade through your baggage.
 
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June 9, 2006, 7:55 am PDT

Still Here

I thought I would post another message.  I have been working a lot of overtime lately.  I find my work takes me away from my life and I concentrate on it instead.  My thoughts remain the same. I find it so much easier to work.  I know I have some choices to make, but in due time.  

I am tired.  I think my head probably never shuts off.  I am grateful for all the good things in my life and I say thank you every night before I go to sleep.    

I feel one day all the answers I see will come to me.  

Thank you for having this site.  It is great to come somewhere and just write.  

   

Wishing you all well.  

 
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June 9, 2006, 9:46 pm PDT

Thanks for your responces

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There are certain classes we must take to get  through school, choice of whether we want to take them is not relevant.
I'm curious about the ones you had a choice in though. You said you took them to achieve and be special. We all want to be accepted, even admired (special), but what did you want to achieve?
Did any of your choices involve taking a class just because you liked it and felt that you would do well? If your choices involved pleasing others, and hoping that others would like you for these choices, did it work?
 By complexity in the school programs, do you mean the quantity and variety of classes offered? I think this is because there is a vast complexity to humans, the quantity and variety of us makes for a varied curriculum at school to better serve our different interests and needs. It can be traumatic and stressful until you decide what would be the best classes to fulfill your own personal goals. To help you determine your goals you can discuss your abilities, interests, and personality with a school counselor. That is what they are there for. We have all of our lives to continue learning, and we should continue learning. But sometimes we need guidance with how to make decisions on classes that will get us work that is rewarding to us.

I'm not that young, a few grey hairs, but my life has been an ongoing educational experience.  Someone did make the same point, more or less, about requiring guidance.  

  

 I think there is a consensus amongst the majority (silent) that change requires an abusive situation to arise and so the impressionable will learn a different way of existing, through it.   

  

That is why I believe that the nuns got away with abusing children (in Scotland etc.).  Because those adults in the lives of the children (parents, guardians) would not take the children from the life of chaos and irresponsibility and create the change and order that the nuns in convents offered.   

  

That in itself, loss and deprevation creates change badly needed and so abuse goes unchallenged in the hope that these children will also forget, and that only kind memories of nuns will be remembered. (the mental abuse being this alteration of reality rather than the actually physical abuse, but of course, it is all part and parcel). 

  

Schools are changing, especially now with more work-orientated courses, with clearer, more purposeful pathways, forgetting their grass-roots, enabling changes that are beneficial.  

  

With Nuns-teaching as an example, whereby students do not have enough balance and purpose to the work that they do, students do not go into the work-force fully-prepared because of the change that was brought about from their experiences.  That students would have to relearn a lot of things, like reward for work done.  This could take years.   

  

I'm writing this because I realise that may apply to many who write about abuse.  

  

   

  

  

  

  

  

   

  

I think that adults gravitate towards people who that create order, and so in their own lives, where motivation for chang and the abusive elements have been put to the back of their minds of their own dealings with these people, both good and bad, have been almost forgotten. 

  

  

 
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June 9, 2006, 9:54 pm PDT

Writing about as much as I've been able

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 I was saved from my own self-imposed prison of self-judgment. I saw myself as weak, stupid, inadequate, unworthy of respect or love. This was due to some things that happened to me and things that I had done. I felt persecuted, used, patronized, ugly, and lied to. And why not, I did these things to myself, why shouldn't others? The way others treat you is a reflection of the way you feel about yourself.
I decided to look into how and why my life took a turn for the worse. I read SELF MATTERS and did the work required, was able to forgive myself and others and look at my life with a fresh perspective. My problems may not be easy for someone else to understand, as yours may not be easy for others to understand. The point is that YOU understand yourself, and  be able to solve your problems. SELF MATTERS can help you with this.
I have 2 sons, the one you refer to is 21 now. He is learning those difficult lessons that all young adults do- how to stand on our own but ask for help when you need to.
I haven't seen the program your talking about, but have seen it listed on the guide. I'll have to make a point of watching it. I would think that the point of the show is to demonstrate how a different perspective can shed light on problems within a marriage. We get bogged down with our pre-conceived notions of right and wrong, and our unsaid expectations of our spouses. A whole other person thrust into our lives can sometimes easily see what we are too close or blinded by love or anger or other emotion to see.

to write/talk things over on-line you've read.   

That's shows patience and consideration to me.   

  

Write a bit more later. 

  

Taemanai 

 
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June 9, 2006, 11:27 pm PDT

patience quote

    I Like this quote I dislike this quote“Patience is the ability to idle your motor when you feel like stripping your gears.”  santiz

 Barbara Johnson quote 

  

I think of Marcia reading this.  Good luck for the week. 

 
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June 9, 2006, 11:32 pm PDT

I guess health enables

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 Very simply, my health.
I was very fortunate to have been born with a healthy, whole body. Apparently I have good genes too, as I have never had any major health issues. On the threshold of my 50's I am vigorous and active.
It is a treasure, and I don't really have to explain why. The more important thing is that I treasure my health, and safeguard it.
Second to that would have to be my authenticity, which is intricately bound with the safequarding of my health.

so many other things to happen.  Independence, clear thinking, happiness, lifestyle. 

  

I have good genes as well.   

  

Have a healthy week, Linda 

  

Taemanai 

 
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