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Have you read "Self Matters" or become familiar with the process of uncovering your authentic self from watching the show? Share your story here.

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September 12, 2005, 7:33 am PDT

I heard once

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I think that for every Katrina Survivor who has set foot in SC there must be 10 people who have volunteered their time to help. The American Red Cross is just putting names and numbers on a list. I’ve been in touch with the agency who had asked for my assistance but right now they have SO many helpers! Recovery will be a long and on-going process. Thus, when this is no longer in the nightly news I’m sure they are going to need more helping hands. I’ll still be ready!!!  

   

I suppose that I could be devoting some of this time to completing Chapter 4, of ‘Self Matters’, Ten Defining Moments.   

   

Brenda  

Life will present us with challenges in order to make us stronger, kind of like training for the big race...and that the grand event comes and all of our cumulative skills will be called upon in order to handle the situation at hand.   

  

I don't know if this is true or not, yet there have been times in my life where I have had to say "Creator must be setting me up for something BIG!", as I was also told that God does not give you more than you can handle.   

  

The way I see it Brenda, you are the person who will be ready when everyone else has either lost interest or lost sight to help.  You will be kind yet add the lightness that will be needed for others to cope.  Your humor has it's place, you know.   

  

I too am working/procrastinating on Chapter 4, yet finding more and more strength to face those moments with an open mind.  

  

One of the wonders of this is I am recalling more happy childhood memories, which for years I was unable to do.  Even though this has not healed any relationships between my parents and I, I can now say they did work to create a good life, as misguided as they were.  We are all allowed our mistakes.   

  

You are precious, Brenda!  Thank you 

Teri 

 
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September 12, 2005, 8:12 am PDT

Thought you all might like this,

 THE JOURNEY

One day you finally knew
what you had to do, and began,
though the voices all around you
kept shouting
their bad advice-
though the whole house
began to tremble
and you felt the old tug
at your ankles.
"Mend my life!"
each voice cried.
But you didn't stop.
You knew what you had to do,
though the wind pried
with its stiff fingers
at the very foundations,
though their melancholy
was terrible.
It was already late
enough, and a wild night,
and the road full of fallen
branches and stones.
But little by little,
as you left their voices behind,
the stars began to burn
through the sheets of clouds,
and there was a new voice
which you slowly
recognized as your own,
that kept you company
as you strode deeper and deeper
into the world,
determined to do
the only thing you could do-
determined to save
the only life that you could save.

by Mary Oliver
 
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September 12, 2005, 8:24 am PDT

Peeking in,

Hey gang!
Just got back from the west side of the state. This was taken in Independence ghost town, an old mining camp.
This was how I used to view the world, about twice removed and timidly.
 
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September 12, 2005, 8:36 am PDT

Now,

I find that beauty and love is all around us, if we open ourselves to the reality that it exists.
The colors are beginning to turn in the high country, and the tourists are leaving for a little while, until ski season opens.
Longstory, if you're still out there reading but not posting, you are missed greatly.
 
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September 12, 2005, 6:45 pm PDT

Welcome Back, Teri....

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I am back from another trip.  We went to Flaming Gorge on the Wyoming, Utah border to do some serious rescue practice and try to roll our big kayaks.  We realized we needed more skills before hitting the ocean again.  

  

Well, we are good at the two person rescue, but neither one of us could roll the boats.  We figured out why and need to talk with some folks to see what we can do to enable us to roll without the boats filling with water.  We came out of the week with lots of bruises and feeling a least a little more confident.  

  

We did have some issues while we were gone, ones that give me reason to really explore what it is I want in life, from relationships, and whether or not I want to stay in this one.   The same issues keep coming up, and usually they are directed as me being the cause, yet I am realizing that it is a shared issue.  Two strong personalities don't always meld well together.  So, I am doing much introspection fueled by some emotional pain and understanding that I don't have to be afraid of the future or any of the choices I make, I just need to be sure I do things for the right reasons. I think some of what is happening is because of my work in Self Matters I am more clearly able to state what is OK and what is not for me and that is threatening, which rocks the boat, so to speak.  I know the ones closest to us have a difficult time handling our changes and growth when they believe it threatens them.   

  

I have read all 64 posts that have been written during my absence and much is going on in the lives of everyone!  Life is going to become very busy here shortly for myself as well, and I look forward to re-establishing my daily routines.  School starts in just a few short weeks and I will be hitting the books hard as well as harvesting and canning from the garden.  I am amazed at how much work there is to do and how much I actually get done compared to what I want to...lol.   

  

I missed you all and I am glad to be back.  I give a collective e-hug to you all.  everyone 

  

Teri  

  

  

Good to see you back, again, Teri.   

I think your right. I think that when we begin to assert ourselves in relationships, it can represent a threat to those who have known us as…well…less than assertive. It also becomes unsettling to others because it actually changes the dynamics of the relationship(s). Thus, significant others must make choices about their role in the relationship, as well. I have often seen situations, particularly when the female is the one making the change, where the initial response is the good ole ’Best Defense is a Good Offense’!  

Hats off to ya for taking those risks to claim your space, your rights, or to just speak your mind!!!  

This could be very important for both of you.  

As I read your post and the others that came before, I can SO relate to your history of having been badly misrepresented by your ex and having family and loved ones buy into the misrepresentation and the abandonment that followed. My situation was not with an ex but was among a group of people that I REALLY loved, cherished and respected. That situation quite literally altered the way I interacted with the rest of the world. After that situation I became quite protective of information regarding me or my history. I learned a very painful and lasting lesson about human dynamics! EVEN I AM AMAZED AT WHAT I’VE SHARED ON THIS MESSAGE BOARD!!!   

Needless to say I find your assertiveness, your claiming your space inspiring and amazing. You seem fearless to me. Though I know that you probably aren’t. You’re just brave and courageous as you move forward.   

YOU GO TERI!!!!   

   

Brenda  

 
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September 12, 2005, 7:58 pm PDT

Thanks, Teri...

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Life will present us with challenges in order to make us stronger, kind of like training for the big race...and that the grand event comes and all of our cumulative skills will be called upon in order to handle the situation at hand.   

  

I don't know if this is true or not, yet there have been times in my life where I have had to say "Creator must be setting me up for something BIG!", as I was also told that God does not give you more than you can handle.   

  

The way I see it Brenda, you are the person who will be ready when everyone else has either lost interest or lost sight to help.  You will be kind yet add the lightness that will be needed for others to cope.  Your humor has it's place, you know.   

  

I too am working/procrastinating on Chapter 4, yet finding more and more strength to face those moments with an open mind.  

  

One of the wonders of this is I am recalling more happy childhood memories, which for years I was unable to do.  Even though this has not healed any relationships between my parents and I, I can now say they did work to create a good life, as misguided as they were.  We are all allowed our mistakes.   

  

You are precious, Brenda!  Thank you 

Teri 

In many ways, Chapter 4 seems like a walk through Death Valley, for me. Interestingly, I’ve remembered some wonderful and caring people in my past. I just have such a confusing mix of stuff in Chapter 4. I’m not really sure that I decided on ‘feelings’ in instances that simply involved survival. I’m just not sure. I think that there were times in which I just moved from one task to the next without ever considering how I felt. I think that I just kept on moving without any real consideration for how I actually felt.   

I’m also, realizing that I spent at least 3 years in a Gestalt Group ‘verbally processing’ the circumstances and situations without any real ‘feelings’ about the circumstances and situations. Even in some of those scary Group exercises, I spent more time nodding and agreeing than I did in ‘feeling’ anything. I don’t know if this is detachment or if I simply did not have the luxury of thinking about how I felt. I don’t even know if I give myself permission to HAVE negative feelings about my early history. I say that because early in my history, even among the adults in my life, the focus was on my mother. I’m not really sure there was a lot of time for anyone to focus on much else. It was sort of like there just wasn’t any room for anything, else. I am giving this a lot of thought. (I do intermittently have some little splashes of ‘feelings’.)  

Thank you for the wonderful words. I have these wonderful people, like yourself, on this message board offering me much needed feedback, care and incredible support!!! I am so grateful!!!  

   

Brenda  

 
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September 13, 2005, 6:18 am PDT

Defining Your Authentic Self

Hi everone,

I've been following the messageboard for a few weeks now, but this is my first message. I found Dr Phil's book Self Matters in February 2005, but must say to my own disappointment that I haven't gotten through it yet. I'm still stuck on chapter two after rereading and rereading and rereading. Sometimes I get to chapter 4 before giving up. I've never been good at goalwork, nor does this "set your life on projekt status"-thing seem to work on me. I just don't understand it!

I think my problem is that I'm THINKING too much, because I know that my brain is CONSTANTLY working and that it's exhausting me to no end. My happiest moments in life can be pinned down to those few times when I don't think, all during the last year. What I notice about my thinking is that it's like I'm putting words on the thought I had half a second before... Doesn't that sound tiresome to you?

Sometimes I feel like I need a huge wake-up call, someone to shout and shake me, but if my Father's death (12th of June 2005) didn't help, what will? I do recognize loads and loads of thing with myself that I've been told ("You're so clumsy!", "Look at your handwriting!", "Do you have to make me unhappy?", etc) and I KNOW I'm not living the life I want to live. It's not mine! It's like I'm living to please my Mum. I've been told that I have an obsession with my Mum, and before that my Father too (Ever heard "everybody loves you when you're dead"? It's true!), and I have to agree. I went to see a dietist last week - and when I got there I realized it wasn't I who was supposed to be there, it was Mum.

I just want to live. I want to be free. I want to be me. I want to tell my mother to sodd off, I want to tell my littlesister that it's okay to cry, I want to hit the idiot who ruined my childhood, and I want to scream at my Father because he didn't behave like a Father would. I want to ask people to leave me alone, I recently moved away from my hometown and now people seem to think I'm somekind of shelter that they can go to everytime they're going south.


... I'm just so sick of my life (and I hate myself for having been able to make that sentence for months, yet doing basically nothing) ...

Hope you can understand and excuse my whining,
Enzymbia.
 
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September 13, 2005, 6:33 am PDT

Good sound advice

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 THE JOURNEY

One day you finally knew
what you had to do, and began,
though the voices all around you
kept shouting
their bad advice-
though the whole house
began to tremble
and you felt the old tug
at your ankles.
"Mend my life!"
each voice cried.
But you didn't stop.
You knew what you had to do,
though the wind pried
with its stiff fingers
at the very foundations,
though their melancholy
was terrible.
It was already late
enough, and a wild night,
and the road full of fallen
branches and stones.
But little by little,
as you left their voices behind,
the stars began to burn
through the sheets of clouds,
and there was a new voice
which you slowly
recognized as your own,
that kept you company
as you strode deeper and deeper
into the world,
determined to do
the only thing you could do-
determined to save
the only life that you could save.

by Mary Oliver

Sometimes it takes drama in the form of poetry to help us visualize what we, in good common sense, already know.  I really like what you shared, Ritehere.  It is appreciated.   

  

I love your photos.  I especially like how you drew a parallel with the Independence photo and your prior view of the world.  And the mountain photo, well, WOW!  The colors are starting to turn, and when we were at Palisades near the Tetons, there would be spots of bright orange and deep read on the mountain scattered among the evergreens like sparks in the dark.  I love this time of year, harvesting, the changing seasons.  This is the time of year I tend to feel my most energetic.   

  

There is beauty everywhere we look, even in the midst of the Urban Jungle, there is beauty.  Thank you for sharing your beauty with us.   

Teri 

 
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September 13, 2005, 7:03 am PDT

Disembodied Voices

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In many ways, Chapter 4 seems like a walk through Death Valley, for me. Interestingly, I’ve remembered some wonderful and caring people in my past. I just have such a confusing mix of stuff in Chapter 4. I’m not really sure that I decided on ‘feelings’ in instances that simply involved survival. I’m just not sure. I think that there were times in which I just moved from one task to the next without ever considering how I felt. I think that I just kept on moving without any real consideration for how I actually felt.   

I’m also, realizing that I spent at least 3 years in a Gestalt Group ‘verbally processing’ the circumstances and situations without any real ‘feelings’ about the circumstances and situations. Even in some of those scary Group exercises, I spent more time nodding and agreeing than I did in ‘feeling’ anything. I don’t know if this is detachment or if I simply did not have the luxury of thinking about how I felt. I don’t even know if I give myself permission to HAVE negative feelings about my early history. I say that because early in my history, even among the adults in my life, the focus was on my mother. I’m not really sure there was a lot of time for anyone to focus on much else. It was sort of like there just wasn’t any room for anything, else. I am giving this a lot of thought. (I do intermittently have some little splashes of ‘feelings’.)  

Thank you for the wonderful words. I have these wonderful people, like yourself, on this message board offering me much needed feedback, care and incredible support!!! I am so grateful!!!  

   

Brenda  

The wisdoms that are posted on this board come from real people, living real lives in places all over the world.  I also have much gratitude for this venue, as I can get feedback from different paradigms, and find that I am not "terminally unique" in any way.  That has been so healthy for me! 

  

I have had to do some reading about a Gestalt Group, as I had never heard the term before.  Sounds like an interesting way to approach group psychotherapy.   

  

When I read your post, the song "Comfortably Numb" by Pink Floyd came to mind.  I wonder if sometimes we have this protective barrier that keeps us from feeling, or at least recognizing feelings, when we don't know how to handle them.   

  

In the movie "What the Bleep do We Know" they talked about how the Indians in the Caribbean didn't see Columbus's ships because they did not believe they could exist.  They saw the ripples on the water, yet could not see the ships because they were beyond their comprehension.  Sometimes I think we don't feel what we are feeling because it may be more than we can comprehend at the time, giving us this flat, numb thing where we almost live as observers in our lives instead of participants.   

  

As a teenager, I used alcohol and pot to numb myself.  I had feelings of anger, hatred and rage, and because I couldn't recognize them at the time, I went numb.  I became quite depressed, using alcohol a lot.  My parents had no idea, so they took me to a shrink who put me on Elavil.  I took 30 of them and slept for 3 days straight.  Nobody knew.  Nobody really cared.  This reinforced the numbness to me, as if nobody else noticed what I was going through, why should I?   

  

Thank goodness I am not living like this today.  I love having feelings, even if they are negative ones, because they reinforce that I am REAL!  I am alive and I am experiencing my world as actively as I can and participating to the best of my ability.   

  

My heart is warm with appreciation for the words you have shared with me.  Thank you. 

Teri 

 
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September 13, 2005, 7:15 am PDT

Stop re-reading the book....

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Hi everone,

I've been following the messageboard for a few weeks now, but this is my first message. I found Dr Phil's book Self Matters in February 2005, but must say to my own disappointment that I haven't gotten through it yet. I'm still stuck on chapter two after rereading and rereading and rereading. Sometimes I get to chapter 4 before giving up. I've never been good at goalwork, nor does this "set your life on projekt status"-thing seem to work on me. I just don't understand it!

I think my problem is that I'm THINKING too much, because I know that my brain is CONSTANTLY working and that it's exhausting me to no end. My happiest moments in life can be pinned down to those few times when I don't think, all during the last year. What I notice about my thinking is that it's like I'm putting words on the thought I had half a second before... Doesn't that sound tiresome to you?

Sometimes I feel like I need a huge wake-up call, someone to shout and shake me, but if my Father's death (12th of June 2005) didn't help, what will? I do recognize loads and loads of thing with myself that I've been told ("You're so clumsy!", "Look at your handwriting!", "Do you have to make me unhappy?", etc) and I KNOW I'm not living the life I want to live. It's not mine! It's like I'm living to please my Mum. I've been told that I have an obsession with my Mum, and before that my Father too (Ever heard "everybody loves you when you're dead"? It's true!), and I have to agree. I went to see a dietist last week - and when I got there I realized it wasn't I who was supposed to be there, it was Mum.

I just want to live. I want to be free. I want to be me. I want to tell my mother to sodd off, I want to tell my littlesister that it's okay to cry, I want to hit the idiot who ruined my childhood, and I want to scream at my Father because he didn't behave like a Father would. I want to ask people to leave me alone, I recently moved away from my hometown and now people seem to think I'm somekind of shelter that they can go to everytime they're going south.


... I'm just so sick of my life (and I hate myself for having been able to make that sentence for months, yet doing basically nothing) ...

Hope you can understand and excuse my whining,
Enzymbia.

Enzymbia, you are spending too much time reading the same passages.  Allow yourself to just read the book - do the exercises as they come and the continue.  The 1st 1/2 of the book is to help you understand how a MOMENT, A PERSON, A CHOICE made carries through your life until you look back on it.  If it's painful, that means that it was written and it's been your mechanism for making all the life choices/decisions in your life. 

  

I tried your way too; it didn't work - when I finally gave myself permission to just READ the book from front to cover, I was able to finally understand the process.  For me, I found that once I read the book, I chose a goal that was easy to break down into steps.  I chose sewing - I made a list of what was stopping me and then what I needed to do to obtain closure.  Luckily, I discovered the 2 classes I needed to understand what I was lacking in knowledge.   

  

I used Self Matters & it's companion workbook to help me thru the crap I had been telling myself. It was pretty amazing.  I had to turn to other books as well.  LIKE Martha Beck's the Joy Diet - her chapter on RISK really helped me thru a period where I couldn't sit down and sew.  I mean it - I was so terrified - I was actually afraid that I didn't really want to do it and I had wasted so many years of my life (over 45 years) wanting this.  But it was just fear raising it's nasty little head. 

  

I too didn't like goal work - it didn't work for me either -- but I made myself do it and probably just like you I made it so hard for myself -- until I named what was going on as CATCH UP.  That's when I decide to do 1 thing and all of the suddent all the other goals pop up wanting to be done.  My AFFIRMATION for handling that was:  Well if I haven't done it in 20-30-40+ years, THEN it won't hurt anything to just focus on 1 thing.  By doing that, I have been able to make progress.  I only focus on 1 thing at a time. 

  

I also discovered that I had to do A LOT of UPFRONT TIME when I did something - I needed to learn/educate myself, I needed to tackle my thoughts, I needed to obtain the necessary tools, I needed to be nice to myself.   

  

However, I committed to doing this 100% because at 52 years old, I'm just so tired of having that crap in my life and not going anywhere with it.  I'm just plain BORED TO DEATH of the same thoughts and feelings. 

  

p.s.  In the summer of 2003, I was on a family death watch when I experienced another painful work event, learned I had hyperthryoidism (a stress related illness), and discovered Dr. Phil's WLC. Because of all those events, I have changed who I am.  I had been running amok all that time - then when I read his words, until I COMMIT and TAKE THE TIME to work on bringing all the closure in my life, I realized I had never done that before. I had always attempted, did it for a week or two, and quit.  I gave myself 1 year, which turned into 2 years and last year, I decided that I needed 3 years.  I committed on 11/18/03 to doing Weight Loss Solutions life style changes and my 2nd year is nearly up. 

  

I spent this summer tackling Key 4, Step 2 issues.  See if you can locate  HARRIET LERNER's FEAR AND OTHER UNINVITED GUESTS.  It will help you do Self Matters.  Now that I've read it, I understand what's taking me so long - when you have finished that book, post back on this site and I will recommend the next book.  There are 3 I recommend and doing them will help you tremendously to get pass your fear of the unknown.   

 
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