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Created on : Thursday, July 07, 2005, 11:20:02 am
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September 16, 2005, 8:58 am PDT

Brenda,

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Thank you for your support, Linda. I’m still in shock!!!  

In becoming clearer on my feelings about this experience I also became clearer about what my REAL goal was and that was that at 15 yrs. old I really wanted more than anything else to be dead.(That fact saddened me in a way I find hard to describe.) I was very quiet, covert and wary about no one noticing anything. I wasn’t expecting my Aunt to show up at all! She arrived only after I had ingested the pills. I took them just before bedtime so that no one would wonder why I was sleeping. I only realized with Teri’s post how much pain I was in at 15 yrs. old and that I preferred death over anything life had to offer. I was in COMPLETE denial about the severity of my hopelessness and despair!!! Until I read Teri’s post I really thought of the overdose as a means of trying to get something from others that I felt at the time that I couldn’t get any other way. NOT!!! I was shocked! I don’t know how I didn’t remember being in that kind of pain!!!!  

I have ALWAYS considered any gesture as serious but have also examined, in others, whether or not they wanted to be rescued. Until I a few days ago, when I read Teri’s post, I thought that at 15 yrs. old that that gesture was my means of getting rescued. But, in reading her post I suddenly became VERY aware of how much I did not want to be rescued!!! I was suddenly aware of all that I was FEELING at 15 yrs. old. I was shocked by how much I just wanted everything to be OVER. I was jolted by how close I came to NOT being alive, period! I was suddenly aware of SO much anguish!!!! I can’t even begin to tell you how MORTIFIED I was by my OWN history!!! I realized that I had been lying to myself about that being a means of getting attention. It was only by the shear Grace of God that I didn’t die! I was stunned that I actually documented this as a defining moment without any kind of connectedness to the real feelings that went along with the experience.  

Needless to say I am NOW so very GLAD that eating that handful of barbiturates DID NOT end my life!!!!!

There was just a whole lot of craziness going on in my home at 15 yrs. old. I think my father and my own twin had very little energy left for yet another drama. And, while I would be the very first person in this day and age to help file child neglect on ANYONE who did nothing more than induce vomiting, force black coffee and then putting a 15 yr.old overdose back to bed….we’re talking about beach country SC back in 1969!!! I really don’t think they understood the significance of the gesture. Never mentioning it again- as strange as it sounds- was probably their way of avoiding the ‘stigma’ of having that be known in a very small very sparsely populated area. Where everyone knows everyone else and there’s a healthy gossiping group in the community.  

I’m STILL adjusting to how I JUST DIDN’T KNOW this UNTIL I READ TERI’S POST!!!!!WOW!!! 

I do appreciate your kindness and support. I do LOVE you for feeling angry for me. ( I think that I got angry later. ) 

Thank You so much again, 

Brenda  

 

  

Do you notice that you did have feelings before this incident? You were feeling many things, chief among them hopelessness and a conviction that it would never get any better.   Afterward, you seem to have taken on all of the negative feelings yourself. YOU almost brought shame on the family, YOU were guilty of everything, even being incompetant at taking your own life.
I look at this and think, "My God! Why would you act any other way in your predicament?" As an adult, I can understand the reasons behind the way everbody acted afterwards. You have reached these conclusions too. Before you can REALLY forgive them though, you have to acknowledge the full extent of your emotions on this. You were a confused, sad, angry 15 year old who felt she had no body to turn to that would understand or help, and this little incident did nothing but underline that fact.  By ignoring it afterwards, never talking about it, you took that lesson to heart.
Can you see any examples in your life afterward that this mindset held you back?
Can you argue for the validity of this mindset, having more facts and experience as an adult? Or is it faulty thinking?
Does the guilt REALLY belong to you?
 
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September 16, 2005, 9:09 am PDT

And furthermore,

 I'm happy that your aunt knew something was up and checked on you. The world would be a dismal place indeed without you in it, and this board would be so much more dull!
 
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September 16, 2005, 9:27 am PDT

Enzymbia,

Right now, your actions are speaking for you, and they always speak louder than words. By staying away, and not allowing your mum and grandmother to see you, they KNOW you're troubled by something and it involves them. My hunch is that they may have a pretty good idea what its all about too, but you would have to confront them to know for sure. When you are clear about what you want to say to them, be prepared to hear alot of excuses and discounting of what happened. Everybody relates from their own experience, their own reality. Stick to your guns. You can say things like, "Yeah, I understand what your saying, but it made me feel like___." They can't argue you out of the way it made you feel, unless you let them. If they think they can control the way you perceive your reality, it will never end. If things just can't  be worked out, realize that sometimes others NEED to be right, and won't let it go in order to convince you that they are right. If this is the case, just take the stance that you will agree to disagree with them, until they are willing to see your side of it.
Standing up for yourself is something we all have to learn in becoming an adult, and standing up to your parents is probably the most difficult for most of us.
 
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September 16, 2005, 9:38 am PDT

Oh, Teri....

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Now that I have taken some time to think, respond to some other posts and cleared my head a bit, I can respond to yours.   

  

WOW!  You were raised religiously too, eh?  Non-denominational Christian here.  Did your family allow dancing?  Mine did not... 

  

I am amazed that you were not rushed to the hospital! You had someone who felt something was wrong, and she at least saved your life to some degree.  It is a shame that we tend to only value the breathing, heart beating part of life...not the quality, if you know what I mean.   

  

I remember being angry that I failed.  I woke up and realized I was not dead...I was even more depressed.  About 6 months after that I tried wrecking a car with just me in it....survived that, and then I have already related the gun story in a post to Ritehere.   

  

We stop and we say "thank goodness she didn't die!", yet what we don't do is say "What can I do to make it where she wants to live?"   

  

I wonder if your parents really cared whether or not you were happy.  I think mine must have felt like they were mucking through with some self-righteous/religious fuel.  Happiness was not the goal...salvation was.  What the hell did I care if I was saved if I felt that miserable?   

  

It took getting away from that influence to learn that the God of my understanding is loving, caring and wants me to be happy.  Thankfully, today, quality of life does mean something, and it is my desire to see my children, my mate's children, and all I share Life with to have a good quality of life,  

  

I watch the scenes on TV about New Orleans, and I cry.  I cry because I know people will forget them, when they are needed most.  Then I remember you and how ready you will be, and I know there will be others.  I want to be available, I want to be able to help some way, yet I am broke, so it will have to be time and talent.  I want to find a way to listen, to be that "soft place" if even for a moment. 

  

Brenda, your experiences in Life have made you what you are.  You are a special, dynamic person whom I admire so much!  I cannot express the gratitude I have with what you have shared and the freedoms it has given me.  Bless you! 

Teri 

Teri, I don’t really know if you realize how PROFOUNDLY your sharing your very personal pain has helped ME in getting in touch with my own painful past. When I read your post I felt so sad for you. I began relating to how horrible you must have felt to do something that potentially LETHAL. Then, I just became overwhelmed and just couldn’t stay online even long enough to respond to your post. After I got off-line I realized that your history was striking a very painful core experience in my own life. I don’t KNOW how I didn’t see my own pain UNTIL THEN. I am so grateful to you for that post!  

I was raised in and by some very kind religious people who view God in VERY negative ways. They were all well meaning but really, I believe, misguided in their strict conservative views. I feel sad that they still don’t know the loving God that I have come to know. And, I too had to get away from their views to come to know a loving God. 

Some of these folks DO recognize quality of life as important but as I posted to Ritehere (Linda) when I was 15 yrs. old it was 1969 in beach country SC. Folks were NOT very well informed about the significance of a gesture as serious as the one I made. And, in my home there was just too much craziness going on and I don’t believe they had enough energy left to deal with even one more drama!!! Life in my home from the time I was ~6yrs. old was about survival! I am recognizing that whether or not one was ‘happy’ or feeling ’safe’ at home was probably viewed as quite frivolous then and to an extent, now.  

Even now, as I’m thinking about my father-whom I love- I realize that we all spent so much time managing the chaos that my mother generated that I didn’t even really get to know my father in so many respects. That saddens me, as well. When I mentioned working with the hurricane Katrina survivors to my father there was a long pause and then he said, “Awe, you don’t want to get involved in that kind of mess!!” Well, YEAH, I do!  

  

Teri, of the survivor(s) I’ve encountered (they have only sent one my way, thus far) are very thankful to know that there are people out there, like yourself who are thinking about them, who CARE enough to keep them in mind, in your thought and prayers. They know and they are grateful that people DO care! It matters!! 

Sorry for being so fragmented on this post. I’m still trying to deal with how I managed to NOT KNOW all that stuff around the experience I had at 15 yrs. old.  

Thank you, again, for offering your own personal experience. It helped so much!!! I admire and respect people like you who are willing to share something that personal. I was deeply moved. THANK YOU!!!! 

  

Brenda  

 
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September 16, 2005, 9:55 am PDT

Dear Brenda

 What you experienced was an insight. It's what I meant a few posts ago when I said that sometimes we know something about ourselves on an intellectual level, but suddenly  we receive a trigger, and KNOW it on the emotional level. It hits like a kick in the midsection doesn't it? Sometimes the insights are more of an "unfolding" and come at a slower, more relaxed pace, but we always recognise the truth in them.
 
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September 16, 2005, 11:19 am PDT

This is so....'WOWing'....

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Do you notice that you did have feelings before this incident? You were feeling many things, chief among them hopelessness and a conviction that it would never get any better.   Afterward, you seem to have taken on all of the negative feelings yourself. YOU almost brought shame on the family, YOU were guilty of everything, even being incompetant at taking your own life.
I look at this and think, "My God! Why would you act any other way in your predicament?" As an adult, I can understand the reasons behind the way everbody acted afterwards. You have reached these conclusions too. Before you can REALLY forgive them though, you have to acknowledge the full extent of your emotions on this. You were a confused, sad, angry 15 year old who felt she had no body to turn to that would understand or help, and this little incident did nothing but underline that fact.  By ignoring it afterwards, never talking about it, you took that lesson to heart.
Can you see any examples in your life afterward that this mindset held you back?
Can you argue for the validity of this mindset, having more facts and experience as an adult? Or is it faulty thinking?
Does the guilt REALLY belong to you?

You’re right. This didn’t ‘just happen’ one night. I PLANNED this!!! I thought about it for a year and then looked for the most opportune time. I had to have the feelings for a long time…I just don’t know how long, right now. Even now, I’m feeling ashamed of ever having the plan. It’s a WHOLE lot more socially acceptable to be sad than angry. I’m probably minimizing the anger, as well.  

I STILL CAN’T BELIEVE I JUST DIDN”T REMEMBER FEELING THAT DESPERATE! THAT HOPELESS!!! HOW DOES ONE JUST OVERLOOK THAT OR FORGET THAT?!? 

It’s very difficult for me to stick with feelings this intense. Like I MUST be very unstable, or something. Even, now, I am thinking, “Oh, my gosh! What a shameful thing and you revealed that to others?!?!” I sure didn’t feel that way when I saw Teri’s post! I thought, “What a brave and courageous person to share something so painful!” And, I was very moved. 

With your post about the gun you had to get rid of, I was thinking, “It takes amazing strength of character to have had that kind of experience and to be willing to say that, to share that with others.” 

Even stranger, in the wake of this epiphany I am ‘blocking’ and have this OVERWHELMING DESIRE to just stop and fine some HUMOR. I am really really having the hardest time not immediately trying to find some humor, some comic relief. Sort of like a ‘Funny’ fix. My avoidance kicking in….Also, I worked all night and I haven’t gone to sleep, yet. It’s all so much to take in…. 

I have a whole lot of stuff to consider….If I had this kind of MAMMOTH stuff going on that I just didn’t recall I’m kinda worried about what else I’VE NOT LET ME IN ON. Heck, at this point , I honestly don’t know which to be more concerned about, having these intense feelings or the fact that I had them and JUST DIDN’T KNOW THAT I HAD THEM.  

Well, at least now I know why I was feeling so threatened by all of those Gestalt Exercises!!!! 

  

Brenda 

 
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September 16, 2005, 11:25 am PDT

A New Day as come !!!

I can't help myself from sharing with you my joy .Yesterday was one of the most happiest day  of my life. We , my boyfriend , my twin sister ,her husband  and i just got the  house we bought. My twin is going to live in the same house with me. It is a two appartements house. We have a wonderful garden of flowers a swimming pool and a nice corner with tables and chairs to make picnics. 

  

Suddently i feel like a kid , feelings are coming back to me about our chilhood and i feel so in peace knowing that we will be able to share are hopes and dreams just like when we were young. A twin is the most wonderful thing in life and i thank God for her. Our parents are now adjusting to the situation of my sister leaving them, and it gives me peace of mind. 

I feel so thankfull and previledge for the blessings in my life, my heart is bursting with gratitude. 

My authentic self feels very complete and fufill. This message is a message of hope for anyone who thinks the sunshine wont come back  It does. 

  

Not long ago i was a very different person with alot of negative taughts , but i took my life and turn it away so i could see the beautiful in myself and others . I promess myself not to ever think of killing myself  and learn to live my desability and even see that there are people worse than i and that even if i am sick i  can still have dreams even if they are different than others. This is my message of hope . 

  

Thank you all who have supported me and give me hope. 

  

Sincerly Lyne 

 
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September 16, 2005, 12:55 pm PDT

Brenda,

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You’re right. This didn’t ‘just happen’ one night. I PLANNED this!!! I thought about it for a year and then looked for the most opportune time. I had to have the feelings for a long time…I just don’t know how long, right now. Even now, I’m feeling ashamed of ever having the plan. It’s a WHOLE lot more socially acceptable to be sad than angry. I’m probably minimizing the anger, as well.  

I STILL CAN’T BELIEVE I JUST DIDN”T REMEMBER FEELING THAT DESPERATE! THAT HOPELESS!!! HOW DOES ONE JUST OVERLOOK THAT OR FORGET THAT?!? 

It’s very difficult for me to stick with feelings this intense. Like I MUST be very unstable, or something. Even, now, I am thinking, “Oh, my gosh! What a shameful thing and you revealed that to others?!?!” I sure didn’t feel that way when I saw Teri’s post! I thought, “What a brave and courageous person to share something so painful!” And, I was very moved. 

With your post about the gun you had to get rid of, I was thinking, “It takes amazing strength of character to have had that kind of experience and to be willing to say that, to share that with others.” 

Even stranger, in the wake of this epiphany I am ‘blocking’ and have this OVERWHELMING DESIRE to just stop and fine some HUMOR. I am really really having the hardest time not immediately trying to find some humor, some comic relief. Sort of like a ‘Funny’ fix. My avoidance kicking in….Also, I worked all night and I haven’t gone to sleep, yet. It’s all so much to take in…. 

I have a whole lot of stuff to consider….If I had this kind of MAMMOTH stuff going on that I just didn’t recall I’m kinda worried about what else I’VE NOT LET ME IN ON. Heck, at this point , I honestly don’t know which to be more concerned about, having these intense feelings or the fact that I had them and JUST DIDN’T KNOW THAT I HAD THEM.  

Well, at least now I know why I was feeling so threatened by all of those Gestalt Exercises!!!! 

  

Brenda 

 NOW that you've had this connection, do you notice your defence mechanisms going into high gear? Stop a moment and acknowledge them.
1) The need to excuse it--seeing it as a way to get attention (something shameful)
2)It's more "socially acceptable" to be sad than angry (what!? who cares the emotions behind it and whether they are socially acceptable, its not OK for your daughter, sister, niece to try to take her life, and then not talk to her about it.)
3)I must be unstable. (How often do you get your world rocked? Give it time, let it come.)
4)It was shameful to have revealed that to others. (This is what you were taught. ITS WRONG!)
5) Blocking (again, its shameful-NOT)
6)Find some humor. (This one isn't as bad as the rest, as long as you understand that you have used it to deflect and discount your experience. Humor is probably what has kept you from being a morose, sullen person.)
7) Seeing others pain and confessions and admiring them, but not admitting that what you confessed, and went through, and came out the person that you are was every bit as courageous.

You will probably have some continuing "unfolding" insights on this one episode over the next month or more. Just relax, its all in the past.

You've always had these feelings, you just never allowed yourself to acknowledge them. I will stop now, because I'm not a doctor, and I tend to project my own responses onto you.

About Teri and I though, we had these particular insights long ago, and admitting what prompted them is not that hard any more. It gets easier, especially when you find so many that can relate, or at least genuinely commiserate with you. When I say we're all in this together, I really mean it.
 
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September 16, 2005, 5:25 pm PDT

Difficult times...

Hey gang,  

I am still here in spirit. I have been challenged recently and haven't been much for communicating. When I allow it the past becomes my present and it isn't very inviting to be in or around. Rather than put anyone else through my "moods" I go inside to a place where I can meditate and release the negative emotions and thoughts. There are times when I am just tired of living. Not that I would end this life but, I am just not sure what there is to be and do in it any longer. That is what the past brings up to me. I have not been all that successful recently in making lasting changes in my life. I will go like a house a fire when something moves me, then nothing, boredom sets in, lethargy, or just plain "what the hell was I thinking". I know that lasting change has to come from within and I have yet to find the place within that knows what that change should look like, feel like or even the faintest notion of what to change. Some days I could walk over to a wall, bang my head three times and feel like I accomplished more in that 2 minutes than a full 24 hours before.  

Didn't come here to lay all that out but, now that I typed it I will let is stay.  

Om Mani Padme Hum...LS     

 
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September 16, 2005, 8:24 pm PDT

Me Veda Loca

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Hi there!

I was recently diagnosed with Asperger syndrome (a form of high functioning autism). ADD and AS, as you probably know by now, are both neuropsychological disorders. I have some expreience about ADD and ADHD, though mostly in children. I have to ask what medication you're on? It sounds to me like it's not doing it's job. I'm not sure I caught you right, you don't seem to be fond of your medication either? After what I know about ADD and ADHD and medication, the meds are supposed to help you relax and focus. It might be that you get a too low dose or simply have the wrong medication (Concerta might work for one person, but Ritalina might be better for someone else).

I do recognize the tense body from a lot of stories that I've read and myself. Have you ever tried wrapping a blanket really tight around yourself? Learning to tighten and then relax your muscles might also help. I had this myself a year ago or so, when I was in a lot of stress and deep down in the Hell of Depression. I also wonder what kind of help you recieve? How does your days look? Having routines might help you relax too.

Feel free to email me if you want to, my email is enzymbia@yahoo.se (I'm Swedish by the way). You can also add me to your Yahoo!Messenger if you have one. I'll be happy to help in any way I can.

Take care,

- Enzymbia.
  This is the 3rd time I have tried to answer your post. I type my little heart out so you will understand how my life is and by the time I am done I hit post and next thing I know I have been sent back to the log in page and everything I wrote is gone. Now I'm tired of typing the whole story over & over so I will summerize. Big problems with my 2nd marriage but sticking it out.  I am the 3rd shift supervisor where i work. My job is very  hot, dirty and phycially demanding. I work from about 10pm till 7am, take my son to school then try to get at least 4 hours of sleep. Then up at 2pm, pick up my son, shopping & errans then home by 4pm to watch Dr. Phil. Then it's cook dinner, check homework, get my son (Jose) showered & into bed, watch T.V. with hubbie & maybe sneek in a little lovein. Then I have to shower so I can leave around 9pm. A little early for some alone time & some OT. I think it's cool you are from Sweeden. I am originally from Des. Moines Iowa and have lived in Colorado Springs Colorado for about 17 years now. If you can think of anything that would help you will be my bestest friend forever. LOL. Thanks, Barb
 
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