Message Boards

Topic : Defining Your Authentic Self

Number of Replies: 7837
New Messages This Week: 0
Last Reply On:
Created on : Thursday, July 07, 2005, 11:20:02 am
Author : dataimport
Have you read "Self Matters" or become familiar with the process of uncovering your authentic self from watching the show? Share your story here.

As of January, 2009, this message board will become "Read Only" and will be closed to further posting. Please join the NEW Dr. Phil Community to continue your discussions, personalize your message board experience, start a blog and meet new friends.

User Mood
Stressed

Message Emote
blank
October 12, 2005, 6:17 pm PDT

Defining Your Authentic Self

Quote From: sharperk

You may not truly have the "LOVE" of your life. Perhaps, you and your girlfriend are trying so hard to be someone you never were? Spend some quiet time, looking inward, see you as a child, (may be difficult), see if you spent time alone, a sibling sick, you may have been second fiddle for awhile, just sit, enjoy listening to your heart! If you love someone with all your heart, you have no question as to that love, if you do not feel that way or your partner doesn't feel that way then perhaps this was never meant to be! Stop, smell the roses, watch the sunset, rain falling, peaceful quiet surroundings, listen to who you are! You will find who you are, if you are gentle enough to allow your true self to emerge! If you go through life feeling you should have done something different, then you are not in the right place now! Reflect on who you are and who you will be in 5 or 10 years, if you have to change to be "good enough" for someone, you are not being you, you are playing games with your life and games with the person who shares your life!  Be yourself and your partner should be themselves, be comfortable in the quiet, otherwise you will be plagued by all those; what if questions! That is one of the biggest words in the dictionary. "If, I did something else, if I....., I feel being true to yourself is work, realizing you have self worth is difficult at times. You are also "GOOD ENOUGH"!  Unless you are an abuser, any type of abuse you may do to others, would make any; "good enough", statements garbage to you, and then you can struggle for years, you deserve it! She gives you what you want, do you offer to her, what she wants? Start thinking of her needs too! Perhaps if you are not so self centered, your true self will emerge, if not she will tire of you! Get real with you, crown your princess, care for her as though your life depends on it, because in the long run, some day it just may come to that. True love actually is never having to try to do anything, it comes naturally to those who truly love one another! No questions to ask, help each other, and to do all without the expectation of getting something in return! THAT IS LOVE!  

  

There are times when things are right. When we were on vacation, where her sister was in town, and when her mom was in town. We tend to remember what is important between us when there is some distraction. Maybe we do it so no one else sees how messed up things are between us but it feels very authentic for both of us. These are the times that keep me going. I know there is a lot of good to come from us.  

I feel I need to work on my self confidence and remember who I was not too long ago (when I was living a dream) and open my senses to what she is really trying to tell me.  

  

I truly appreciate the input. 

Thank You 

  

 
User Mood
Cheerful

Message Emote
blank
October 13, 2005, 1:48 am PDT

Defining Your Authentic Self

  

Hi everyone! 

  

I just wanted to stop by and say that I have copied all your answers and saved them and I'll look at them tonight. I don't know how much I'll be online during the comming three days, because I'll be forcing myself to get rid off the tapes that I have identified. It's tough and I really don't want to realise that they are MY tapes... but I will...  

  

So far, I've had a good birthday. I got a message today that the libary has gotten the book I wanted, FEAR AND OTHER UNINVITED GUESTS, so I'll be really working my butt off this weekend. And I'll be sleeping a lot, I feel dead on my feet even though I got up only a few hours ago. 

  

Cheers and see you when I can get online again, 

Sanna-Terocia. 

 
User Mood
Mellow

Message Emote
blank
October 13, 2005, 4:44 am PDT

It takes time.... pushing doesn't work!

Quote From: enzymbia

  

Hi everyone! 

  

I just wanted to stop by and say that I have copied all your answers and saved them and I'll look at them tonight. I don't know how much I'll be online during the comming three days, because I'll be forcing myself to get rid off the tapes that I have identified. It's tough and I really don't want to realise that they are MY tapes... but I will...  

  

So far, I've had a good birthday. I got a message today that the libary has gotten the book I wanted, FEAR AND OTHER UNINVITED GUESTS, so I'll be really working my butt off this weekend. And I'll be sleeping a lot, I feel dead on my feet even though I got up only a few hours ago. 

  

Cheers and see you when I can get online again, 

Sanna-Terocia. 

Sanna-Terocia, pushing doesn't work.  You have to allow yourself to take the tiny little steps, to become comfortable with the new knowledge.   The more you try to FORCE change the more it will kick it's little heels in. Then you just get more depressed. 

  

Work out a plan ...  figure out what your triggers are and then CONNECT THE DOTS: 

  1. What do I know?
  2. What do I need to know?
  3. What am I thinking?
  4. What am I feeling?
  5. HOW DO I ACT DIFFERENTLY, BE PROACTIVE?

The more you force - the more pain you will be in.  It's all about taking small tiny steps.  That means, you do something and let it go and when it returns you ask WHERE DID I LEAVE OFF.  That's why I chose to do goal work.  My goals are actually my life thoughts about my life.  Family, friends, work, home, hobbies.   As I think about 1 thing - it stays present - then it goes away to be replaced with something else.    

  

Give yourself time to take care of yourself first!  Harriet's book is an eye opener because it explains the emotion FEAR and it's little companion feelings:  anxiety, rejection, shame.  For me it was a great introduction to emotions/feelings.   

  

Remember, you can not force CLOSURE, you have to allow yourself to become comfortable with it first.  It has to be accepted by both the brain and heart.  And the heart is always slow to do any change! 

 
User Mood
Relaxed

Message Emote
happy
October 13, 2005, 6:26 am PDT

Sharperk,

Quote From: sharperk

You may not truly have the "LOVE" of your life. Perhaps, you and your girlfriend are trying so hard to be someone you never were? Spend some quiet time, looking inward, see you as a child, (may be difficult), see if you spent time alone, a sibling sick, you may have been second fiddle for awhile, just sit, enjoy listening to your heart! If you love someone with all your heart, you have no question as to that love, if you do not feel that way or your partner doesn't feel that way then perhaps this was never meant to be! Stop, smell the roses, watch the sunset, rain falling, peaceful quiet surroundings, listen to who you are! You will find who you are, if you are gentle enough to allow your true self to emerge! If you go through life feeling you should have done something different, then you are not in the right place now! Reflect on who you are and who you will be in 5 or 10 years, if you have to change to be "good enough" for someone, you are not being you, you are playing games with your life and games with the person who shares your life!  Be yourself and your partner should be themselves, be comfortable in the quiet, otherwise you will be plagued by all those; what if questions! That is one of the biggest words in the dictionary. "If, I did something else, if I....., I feel being true to yourself is work, realizing you have self worth is difficult at times. You are also "GOOD ENOUGH"!  Unless you are an abuser, any type of abuse you may do to others, would make any; "good enough", statements garbage to you, and then you can struggle for years, you deserve it! She gives you what you want, do you offer to her, what she wants? Start thinking of her needs too! Perhaps if you are not so self centered, your true self will emerge, if not she will tire of you! Get real with you, crown your princess, care for her as though your life depends on it, because in the long run, some day it just may come to that. True love actually is never having to try to do anything, it comes naturally to those who truly love one another! No questions to ask, help each other, and to do all without the expectation of getting something in return! THAT IS LOVE!  

  

 I just love the way you expressed this.
 
User Mood
Sad

Message Emote
blank
October 13, 2005, 11:58 am PDT

Defining Your Authentic Self

my problem is this. when i think about life i really dont see any point. like when i was young i always looked to the future and imagine doing all these things and that made me happy and excited about life. but now it's just like whats the point? willdoing this really make me happy?  

  

im not depressed right now cause i dont feel sad. i get scared like almost panic attack sometimes thinking about these things because i fear that my life will go by uneventfully and it's just gonna suck forever until i die. i fear that theres something wrong with me cause i think this way... 

  

any suggestions? solutions? 

  

thanks 

 
User Mood
Mellow

Message Emote
blank
October 13, 2005, 4:49 pm PDT

Like Dr. Phil says: by educating ourselves we learn how to challenge our faulty thinking....

Quote From: feng456

my problem is this. when i think about life i really dont see any point. like when i was young i always looked to the future and imagine doing all these things and that made me happy and excited about life. but now it's just like whats the point? willdoing this really make me happy?  

  

im not depressed right now cause i dont feel sad. i get scared like almost panic attack sometimes thinking about these things because i fear that my life will go by uneventfully and it's just gonna suck forever until i die. i fear that theres something wrong with me cause i think this way... 

  

any suggestions? solutions? 

  

thanks 

Dr. Phil's words about knowledge and educating ourselves really helped me to figure what I needed to do to get my faulty thinking on straight.  I sort of understand where you are coming from.  I really lived a really nasty work life which rolled into my home life -- I never really thought it was going to get any better. 

  

However, I chose to start asking myself questions and what I discovered what I needed to understand emotions as well as my tapes.  I chose to tackle my thoughts first to discover what script I was living my life to.  That was in 2004.  I finally finished tackling the nasty scripts I had written in 1999 and 2000.  I now am learning to deal with my fear/anxiety/dying thoughts about living.   

  

I highly recommend HARRIET LERNER's book:  FEAR AND OTHER UNINVITED GUESTS.   It's easy ready and gives a really good understanding of FEAR, ANXIETY, REJECTION, & SHAME.  By understanding those emotions, I am have been listening to what I'm saying as well as what I'm feeling.  It's been hard work and the benefits are something I can not explain .... I've never been so much at peace and I'm picking myself up and finally going after all the dreams that I put on hold when I was a teenager.   

  

It's worth doing the work to get your life together.  I just got fed up living the same script over and over again -- it had to stop and the only person who could stop it was ME!!   

 
User Mood
Stressed

Message Emote
hopeful
October 13, 2005, 6:17 pm PDT

The 'Take-Home' Message.....

Quote From: marcia52

When I retired I found myself getting busy ....  I wanted a different life than I had before so I took a wall calendar and counted backwards.  I wouldn't do anything for 3 months. It was really hard.  Others who retired with me signed up for classes and the like and found themselves just as involved when they were working. 

  

I chose to detox myself both emotionally and physically.  I wanted to stop doing my self in like I had for all my other years.  I wanted to stop the victimize self-talk cause I wasn't happy and I couldn't handle life situations where I could bring closure and end the crap.   

  

I'm on month 10 now and I've never felt calmer or at peace with the world.  I am able to handle what life has to throw at me a whole lot better.   

  

I don't want to talk to the folks where I worked at -- they are still downsizing and it's not a nice place - people are living in fear of the unknown and that's a horrible place to be.  The events going on now in their lives will affect them for the rest of their lives unless they know how to handle their self-talk.  And they don't.   I believe that over 1000 contractors have been laid off already and 2 more contracts will be approved next month and that will bring on lay offs again.   They lay off the higher paid folks and then replace them with lower paid folks.   The worse is that you have to train them to do your job and then they will lay you off.  If you don't, they fire you and you don't get unemployment!   

  

The civil servants will end up going thru a RIF (reduction in force) and the young ones with kids will get laid off while those who can retire, will remain.   

  

For me, I'm just not into seeing or becoming a part of that mess.   Isn't that sad...   

  

And Iike being retired.  I like knowing who I am and exploring a world where I can do whatever I want, whenever I want and still be young enough to do it.   

  

Marcia 

Ya know it’s funny, but I am having breakfasts and dinners with my old co-workers though some of us are retired. Some are still part of the wild and crazy system that’s on the way down hill fast. When I work, it’s in the same agency I worked for before I retired. Some of the same things you described are going on where I worked. I suppose that the difference is that EVERYONE of my friends/former co-workers are aware of how crazy the system has become and the fact that due to the nature of our work and our history together we have all developed this OUTRAGEOUS sense of humor about life.  

Once when advised by a very UP-TIGHT management person, then above my level, summoned us all for a meeting saying that she had looked in the staff refrigerator and found items bearing no name and no date! She demanded that the Night Staff- narrowing her gaze onto myself and the other supervisor- rectify the situation ,“within 24 hours! Is that clear?!?” We all assured her that it was indeed clear and that we would begin tackling the problem that very night! Well, the other Night Supervisor and I went to work on the items in the refrigerator that very night! By morning EVERYTHING in the refrigerator had a name and a date on it! When the inflexible woman came in the next day, she made a beeline to the refrigerator that morning. She then came BACK out to the desk, beet red and leering at all of us. She was so angry, in fact, that she left the area! We believe that she was angry BECAUSE, according to the labels everyone from Bill Clinton to Monica Lewinski, George Bush and Mother Teresa had food in OUR refrigerator! And, all of it was dated either for the year 2020 or before the birth of Christ!(LOL) We, of course, ‘fixed’ the whole matter by asking every staff member to check the fridge and if they had food that was NOT properly labeled to do so that day. My friend, Ingrid-the other supervisor- and I then approached the other woman and advised her that we had spoken with the other staff regarding THEIR food urging them to properly label it or that it would have to be discarded. Our take-home-message was LIGHTEN-UP!!! 

We used our wicked wit to pull off any number of ‘harm-free’ capers. Our purpose in doing this was to promote healthy humor in an often stressful workplace!  

We’re all still us! So it’s still fun to get together! My friend, Ingrid, has a license plate with ‘Lucy’ from the Charlie Brown Comic Strip with her stand that reads ‘Psychiatrist’ and her 5 cents sign on the front of her vehicle and her friend, Alice, also an RN, will often come over to her house and drop a nickel on the table before she grabs a cup of coffee to sit and talk. 

I often miss the mix of characters that were once there.  

BUT, I DON’T MISS THAT CHAOTIC GROUP THAT TOOK OVER THE PLACE WITH NO BACKGROUND, KNOWLEDGE OR EXPERIENCE-and who really don’t care! 

  

Brenda 

 
User Mood
Stressed

Message Emote
hopeful
October 13, 2005, 7:30 pm PDT

'Shame' vs 'Integrity'

Quote From: ttindall

When I was growing up, a lot of things were instilled in me.  Not by my parents..., they were off having fun lives and dumping me here and there.  Through the people that did raise me, things were instilled in me.  When I grew up, these things taught me right from wrong.  When I would do something wrong, I felt shame because I knew that I should not be doing those things.  When I did something right, of course I was proud and happy with myself for making the right decision.   

  

Growing up, you think "I would never do that because it would be wrong".  However, as you start to live the rest of your life and things like growing up, marriage, family, etc. set in...., you end up having to sacrifice and do things and make choices that you never would have made otherwise.  This is some of what causes shame.  Shame, to me, has been a life saver and a problem all at the same time.  As I grew up around the wrong crowd, shame is what kept me from going the wrong way.  And the pressures of always having to do everything right so that I would not be shamed, has made me a better person in the long run, as I make better decisions for it.   

  

For example, my mother and father had 3 children--my brother, my sister and me.  I am the baby.  They divorced when I was 1.  My brother and sister went to live with my father at young ages and I stayed with my mother but as she was working most of the time or in between husbands and boyfriends...., I was left with my grandmothers, aunts, women from the church, etc.  All positive influences in my life, but on the other side..., I went to visit my father during the summer and on weekends, etc.  I have all of my children with me...., I am 5 classes away from a bachelors degree, etc.  My sister, who grew up with my biker father, lost all of her children to the state, has been to jail, has been a drug addict, prostitute, etc...  My brother...., similar circumstances because my father did not instill "shame" (right from wrong) in them.     

  

Believe me..., I am not perfect by any means and I am not slamming my sister, or brother.  They are a product of their environment.  My father, being a biker, promoted the type of lifestyle that they eventually took.  And I have had my ups and downs.  Have done many things wrong but it was the shame that I felt while doing something wrong that always turned me around.   

  

I am no expert.  I have just lived 33 years of life thinking I am crazy because I do not think like anyone else that I know.  I am ultra-responsible, ultra-independent.  If someone tells me to do something, I ask why and believe me...., I expect a good reason in return or I am not doing it.  Why?  Because I want to make the right decisions at every step of the way because of shame.  Because of inhibitions.  I am not vey social because of shame, unless around the right crowd.  I mean, everyone that I know does drugs, are alcoholics, are on antidepressants and I just don't understand all of it.  I don't think that they learn from their mistakes.  They just continually commit the same acts over and over with the same consequences and I don't understand it, at all.  Most of the people that I know are like this and I just cannot bring myself to be close to them because of shame.  I see they way they live and I am sad for them.  I am very polite to them.  Will go out of my way to help anyone, anything.  But I do not depend on anyone.   

  

Shame has made me this way.  It has drove me crazy trying to be this perfect person.  But when I look at someone without shame...., I am glad I am not them, in their situations.  I think it comes from adults down to the younger ones because they have a pure heart in wanting a child to grow up to be good and when we buck the system of how we were raised...., (going against shame) we spin out of control because it is new and different and something we are not supposed to be enjoying.  It can be exciting.  It can be liberating.  But it can also make you feel awkward, different, non-socail.  But having shame is not, in my opinion, an entirely bad thing.  I am someone who lived the 2 different lives--right with my mother, wrong with my father--and it was shame and other positive influences in my life that has made me a better person today to my own children.  I have instilled in my children some shame about certain things but I will be there for them, unlike my parents, when they buck the system and end up in a bad way.  I will not point the finger at them and say oh, you just cannot handle this yourself.  You need to come with me.  I will accept them and their mistakes...., and allow them to be independent and allow them to learn from their mistakes.  When you constantly tell someone "oh, I knew you could not do it on your own"...., you only make their resolve to do it on their own that much stronger...., and you only make them want to be even more daring and more irresponsible.   

  

Tammie 

Tammi, 

It sounds like you were instilled with a sense of personal ‘integrity’. 

When I looked up the term ‘shame’, the definition included terms like: ‘Dishonor‘, ‘unworthiness’, ‘disgrace’. ‘feeling inferior’ and ‘inadequacy’.  

It appears that you do have a strong sense of integrity and veracity. Terms more associated with authenticity and genuineness.  

I wanted to post this because I believe that ‘shame’ and/or instilling shame produces ALL of the feeling noted in the definition. I do not believe that shame has a positive role in a healthy sense of self. 

From your post it does seem as if you had some very positive modeling and that you have made an effort to past that positive modeling along to others.  

For what it's worth,  

Brenda 

 
User Mood
Cheerful

Message Emote
blank
October 14, 2005, 5:18 am PDT

Defining Your Authentic Self

 
Hi everyone,

I feel happier now, but I'm very concerned... Somewhere I've gotten "off track", because I'm distant from everything around me. I'm wondering when that happened and why... and what I can do about it... This has happened to me before and I've always managed to "plug in" again - but I've never understood how...

I told Gunnel (my counsellor) that "I'm not here [patting chest and heart], I'm here [patting lips], my brain has disconnected and I don't know how to connect it again". She said that I seemed to be perfectly here and aware, but I disagree... It's freakish to be out here where I'm disconnected, it's more scary then changing ME.

So my question is: When/if this happened to you, what did/ would you do?
 
User Mood
Mellow

Message Emote
blank
October 14, 2005, 8:41 am PDT

You were luckilier than me....

Quote From: blgspc

Ya know it’s funny, but I am having breakfasts and dinners with my old co-workers though some of us are retired. Some are still part of the wild and crazy system that’s on the way down hill fast. When I work, it’s in the same agency I worked for before I retired. Some of the same things you described are going on where I worked. I suppose that the difference is that EVERYONE of my friends/former co-workers are aware of how crazy the system has become and the fact that due to the nature of our work and our history together we have all developed this OUTRAGEOUS sense of humor about life.  

Once when advised by a very UP-TIGHT management person, then above my level, summoned us all for a meeting saying that she had looked in the staff refrigerator and found items bearing no name and no date! She demanded that the Night Staff- narrowing her gaze onto myself and the other supervisor- rectify the situation ,“within 24 hours! Is that clear?!?” We all assured her that it was indeed clear and that we would begin tackling the problem that very night! Well, the other Night Supervisor and I went to work on the items in the refrigerator that very night! By morning EVERYTHING in the refrigerator had a name and a date on it! When the inflexible woman came in the next day, she made a beeline to the refrigerator that morning. She then came BACK out to the desk, beet red and leering at all of us. She was so angry, in fact, that she left the area! We believe that she was angry BECAUSE, according to the labels everyone from Bill Clinton to Monica Lewinski, George Bush and Mother Teresa had food in OUR refrigerator! And, all of it was dated either for the year 2020 or before the birth of Christ!(LOL) We, of course, ‘fixed’ the whole matter by asking every staff member to check the fridge and if they had food that was NOT properly labeled to do so that day. My friend, Ingrid-the other supervisor- and I then approached the other woman and advised her that we had spoken with the other staff regarding THEIR food urging them to properly label it or that it would have to be discarded. Our take-home-message was LIGHTEN-UP!!! 

We used our wicked wit to pull off any number of ‘harm-free’ capers. Our purpose in doing this was to promote healthy humor in an often stressful workplace!  

We’re all still us! So it’s still fun to get together! My friend, Ingrid, has a license plate with ‘Lucy’ from the Charlie Brown Comic Strip with her stand that reads ‘Psychiatrist’ and her 5 cents sign on the front of her vehicle and her friend, Alice, also an RN, will often come over to her house and drop a nickel on the table before she grabs a cup of coffee to sit and talk. 

I often miss the mix of characters that were once there.  

BUT, I DON’T MISS THAT CHAOTIC GROUP THAT TOOK OVER THE PLACE WITH NO BACKGROUND, KNOWLEDGE OR EXPERIENCE-and who really don’t care! 

  

Brenda 

My supervisor's supervisor's supervisor was the HEAD HUNCHO OF THE PLACE.  I also was assigned to work with my boss's boss.  I was just too close to seeing how the BIG HUNCHOs worked and that scared me to death.  My giving up happened when they hired a handicapped woman and ended up having me to FIX the work situation.  The woman is still working there; however, the events that took place from her hiring to my leaving that organization was enough to show me that I had seen too much.    

  

However, like you, I too had fun with some of the crazy THINGS they wanted us to do.  We were always searching for ways to laugh and have fun.  I guess that's why my boss and her friend rejected me. I always found laughter vs. being a professional.  Hell, I sorted records, had to wear gloves and a mask at times.  Oh and let's not forget the lab coat (which I just couldn't wear - I got just too hot!)  They wanted me to wear dresses and stuff -- and here I am picking up 40-60 lb boxes.  I used to walk upstairs with my mask on my neck and my gloves in my back pocket. Used to un-nerve them big time.  They were even afraid to walk in my office after I talked about my being bitten by bugs or they would see spiders walking across my work desk.   

  

But knowing how the BIG BOYS work and knowing how they didn't -- that's why I don't really connect to them.   I don't want to hear what's happening anymore.  It's not a part of my life anymore.   I have a whole new life and I'm the one in charge of me now. 

  

 
First | Prev | 84 | 85 | 86 | 87 | 88 | 89 | 90 | 91 | 92 | 93 | Next | Last