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Topic : 07/04 Body Dysmorphia

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:52:19 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/30/07) When most women gaze in the mirror, they may bemoan a blemish here or a wrinkle there. Imagine staring at your reflection for over two hours and hating your face so much that you never leave the house. Dr. Phil’s guests say they are prisoners to body dysmorphic disorder (BDD), a preoccupation with a real or imagined physical defect. Diana, 28, has been suffering with BDD for over 13 years. She’s undergone over 50 permanent make-up procedures –- eye liner, lips and eyebrows –- and didn’t leave her home for two years because she thinks she looks like a monster. Her mother, Guadalupe, and her sister, Liz, say it’s painful to watch Diana deteriorate before their eyes. Find out the shocking event Diana believes caused her condition. Then, 17 year-old Cheyenne used to win beauty pageants, but now believes that she’s an ugly, overweight girl with thunder thighs. She takes several hours to get ready for school in the morning, and constantly picks at her arm hair and lips. Her mom, Bobette, wonders if she’s the cause of her daughter’s bad feelings. Does Cheyenne really have BDD, or is something else affecting her? Share your thoughts here.


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October 31, 2007, 6:52 am PDT

10/30 Body Dysmorphia

BDD is described as someone having a distorted opinion of their true appearance. It is supposed to be something overwhich the sufferer has no control. Obviously pretty people like Diana and Cheyenne look in the mirror and  see freaks. Their own statements belie this. Diana has gotten permanent makeup. And she says it is not perfect. She has to have some baseline of perfection to make a comparison. She knows when she looks in the mirror that her looks are good but they just don't meet her opinion of what perfect is.

Her hair is styled. She has to be aware enough of her looks to know that her hair looks good. She truly looks pitiful. I think there is some great sadness in her life and it manifests itself by her opinion of her looks. She can not remove her heart and take away the hurt, but she can do these procedures to her face. If she fixes the inside, she will see that her opinion of the outside will improve.

Cheyenne has some problem  that is the antithesis of this thing called BDD. Anyboy who has been in a beauty pageant knows that they are beautiful. You don't look in the mirror and go "Oh, I am so ugly. How will those judges ever pick me?" Regardless of the excuses being made for her, she is vain. She needs to

get involved with some type of volunteer situation so that she doesn't have so much time to spend looking at herself.

And I believe if BDD were some true malady, then unattractive people would look in the mirror and see Grace Kelley looking back at them. They wouldn't be able to take advice from someone that they needed to perhaps see an orthodontist or dernatologist. I have to be wary of some "disease" that afflicts some special segment of society. I know there is sickle cell disease that mainly affects the black population, but that is a disease of the blood. It is not some mental disorder.

 
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October 31, 2007, 7:11 am PDT

What the Teen is really seeing

It is of my opinion that the beautiful 17 year old pageant winner is not BDD.   Is she obsessed?  Yes is it causing emotional problems etc? Yes.   What I feel her problem that she cannot discuss with her mother is that she fears ending up looking like her mother.  The pictures she drew of face and body denotes some of her mothers attributes as her mother is older and therefore will exhibit various body flaws so to speak.  I hope that she finds out what is causing this but I think since she has been exposed in the beauty industry that there is a fear that she will look like her mother etc.  I think her mother is a beautiful lady but when you are young for example my mother has always been overweight,  I feared from time to time I would also have these problems.  That is my opinion just wanted to post it.
 
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October 31, 2007, 8:22 am PDT

Thank you!

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My comment is not on the topic of Body Dysmorphia, but the comment Diana's sister, Liz, made and Dr. Phil's harsh response.  The sister was concerned with the therapy Dr. Phil was offering.  She stated that in the past, Diana has a way of manipulating the therapists/psychologists into believing she is better and it seemed Dr. Phil interpreted that as Liz's negative support or in his words "already sabotaging her therapy.  He said to Liz  something about  "do you think this is their (the doctors/therapists) first time at the rodeo?"  Dr. Phil's response was totally off the mark and cold.  He responded in defense instead of understanding what Liz's concern truly was.  He was unprofessional and (I am almost positive, ask the sister) completely wrong. 

 

I feel strongly about this because I have seen it with my sister who manipulated her therapist.  She has done it with her alcohol counseling.  This is over 2 years and she is still a mess.  She's on her own now, though her children are suffering.

 

My brother-in-law (different sister) has done it with his psychiatrist for 10 months and did it at his $27,000/month resident alcohol treatment center he went to for 28 days.  I think he has a long way to fall before someone will help him properly.

 

My 14-year-old nephew has not manipulated his therapists/psychiatrists but has convinced them there is nothing wrong with him from his lack of talking.  Isn't there a professional who can get a quiet child to open up?  Apparently not, because his parents have taken him to 4 or 5 different professionals. 

 

It is very frustraing, when family members help all they can including the support of therapy and counseling by babysitting, driving, paying for sessions, finding referrals, etc. and then the therapy failing.  There is no where to turn when the therapists and doctors are not getting the entire picture.  I don't think that has to do with how many times they have been to the rodeo.  I think professionals only get the picture after there has been a suicide, a school shooting, a fatal drunk driving crash, a divorce, drug overdose, etc.

 

I know exactly what the sister meant by her comment.  She was in no way sabotaging her sister's recovery.  And I think what she wanted to hear from Dr. Phil was something reassuring.  I am sure she feels there is no hope and I am sure she cries for her sister all the time.

Thank you for the comment.  I was surprised that Dr. Phil responded so harsh.  I wanted him to understand that my sisters disorder is out of control and it is going to take a strong therapist or psychiatrist to deal with her disorder. 

 

I would like Dr. Phil to know that she scheduled an appointment with the psychiatrist, but did not fulfill her appointment.  She rescheduled because she felt she was not presentable enough to do the appointment.  This is the exact kind of behavior that I was trying to point out.

 

Please pray for my sister!  She is a good person who needs to love life again!

 

Liz

 
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October 31, 2007, 8:55 am PDT

Don't be angry.

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 for her superior nasty attitude. She REALLY needs to walk in the shoes of someone who is going through this. I never had body dysmorphia but I know what it's like to have the self-loathing and hatred. This is a carbon copy of my life and I never got over the anger and resentment I felt for members of my extended family. There is no possible way that the surgeries are going to 'fix' something that is so deep -seated. It manifests itself in many ways but this is just the symptoms of how it surfaces. There is NO WAY no matter how she mouths the words that she even begins to understand her sister. If she did, she wouldn't be on her extremely high horse. There but for the grace of God, sister!!!!!!

I know that I probably seemed unsympathetic towards my sister.  She neither has walked in my shoes.  I am married with 2 wonderful children and I am very busy.  My day starts at 6a.m. and ends at 11 p.m.  My children and husband wake up in the morning to a healthy breakfast that I have prepared for them.  I help them get ready and they are off to work and school.  I work out for 30 minutes and then I get ready for work.  My huband and I have been blessed with a wonderful business in real estate. I leave work at 3:00 to then get my children and take them to their activities.  My son is very acitve in sports - golf, football, basketball etc. and my daughter is acitve in soccer, ballet and basketball.  Our activities end usually at 6:30.  We usually are home by 7:00 when I start dinner, clean the house, do the laundry and help with homework.  By this time it is 9:30 and the kids go to bed.  I continue to do the rest of my housework and take a break by watching the 11 o'clock news.  I love my life and wouldn't have it any other way.

 

I have also been there for my sister through all of her turmoil.  I have spent countless hours listening, arguing, laughing and praying for my sister.  She needs help now more than ever.  I wanted Dr Phil to know that her disorder is out of control and that we need a strong therapist or psychiatrist to give her the much needed medical care.  My sister made an appointment with the psychiatrist after the show and then rescheduled because she thought that she was not presentable enough to make the appointmet.  This is exactly what I was trying to point out to Dr. Phil.

 

Sorry if I seemed rude or cruel - that was not my intention.

 

Liz

 
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October 31, 2007, 9:11 am PDT

I know

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Great topic.  I've dealt with an often crippling form of this since I was 14, never wearing my hair up, not looking at people while I'm speaking so I can't see what I will interpret as their negative reaction to my physical appearance, dropping out of college classes so people can't see me, and once not leaving my house for 6 months because I 'couldn't get my eyebrows to fix'.  The inability to verbally communicate with people for fear they're harshly judging my face has been the toughest aspect of this affliction.  I'm coping better these days, though I've been a model in the past and I'm complimented almost daily (without prompting),  I still don't feel pretty.  I hope to hear some great advice in dealing and strategies to overcome this pschological straight-jacket from Dr. Phil! 

14 was the age I was when I looked at my school picture and saw how big my nose was. It was also the age my acne started and it has not gone away. I have avoided pictures ever since.

Forty years later, I am convinced I have had bad luck with men because I am too ugly to be taken seriously. I am someone to be used because I am so ugly, I must be desperate and anything goes.

I work at a school and yesterday was Picture Day. I did not take one. Why waste their ink and paper on something I will just throw away.

When I have any kind of bump or blemish on my body, I pick at it hoping I can make it go away because it just adds to the many imperfections that make me ugly.

I plan on making a T-shirt that says " No need to keep staring, I know I am ugly"

I really see no reason for anyone to spend any time looking at me other then for that reason and if I find someone staring, I will give them a dirty look to make that person stop.

Rather I would have believed them or not, it would have been nice for just one person to say I was pretty on one of the many times I said I was ugly, but no one ever did. Leads me to believe I am right.

I did not have my first date until I was 29. I have never had a boyfriend. I could go on and on about the things in my life that lead me to feel the way I do.
 
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October 31, 2007, 9:33 am PDT

I totally agree

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Cheyenne, you said that you would fake being sick just to stay home, and I think you are faking again. What a load of bull. If you truely had this disabling condition you wouldn't be sitting on that stage looking Dr Phil in the eye. You would feel so bad about your looks that your head would be down trying to hide your looks. Shame on you for pretending to have this condition. You are more or less making fun of anyone with BDD and anyone who doesn't measure up to your standards of beauty. Get a life and let someone be on the show that really needs Dr Phil's help. Did you ever stop and think that you may be wishing ugliness upon yourself by pretending that you are ugly. Wouldn't it be sad if you had to go through life looking "bad" like the majority of us poor souls have to. Did you get all of the media attention that you were hoping for?
I was really disappointed in Cheyenne. She participates in beauty pageants yet wants the world to feel sorry for her because she doesn't think she is pretty?! Poor Diana couldn't even look up as she sat on the stage, yet Cheyenne sat up there smiling, telling Dr. Phil her arms were too skinny and her cheeks too round. This girl needs a wake up call! I hope her mother has enough sense to start to show her this world is much bigger than beauty pageants, perfect faces and bodies. She needs to wake up and work on the beauty on the inside!
 
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October 31, 2007, 9:57 am PDT

BDD misunderstood!

The general population does not know what BDD is all about. People are saying, "what is Cheyenne's problem get over yourself ". It is not that simple. When Cheyenne is Diana's age maybe people will then take her serious. Does she need to threaten suicide before she will be heard? This disorder is not about being an "ugly" person. BDD is a mental illness that is similar to anorexia in that the person with BDD is obsessive , compulsive and delusional about their appearance. They suffer constantly, and it affects every aspect of their lives.

 
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October 31, 2007, 10:28 am PDT

10/30 Body Dysmorphia

Diana- You are an extremely beautiful woman (inside & out). When I saw you my first thought was “WOW, she is absolutely beautiful! Why does she not like her image? This has got to be a joke” Then after you started discussing how you feel within and the things that have happened to you and the lack of support you have been given I was able to understand. I wasn’t aware that there was a disorder like this out there. You really opened my eyes to that. I hope that you get all the help and support you need to overcome this BDD and live a healthy and happy lifestyle. My thoughts and prayers are with you. God bless!!!

 

 

Cheyenne- I’m sorry but I really have a hard time seeing why you were on the show yesterday. A lot of us don’t like certain things about ourselves and have depression issues (I am on anti-depressant medicine myself) but for someone that is in beauty pageants all of her life and seems very confident when speaking it doesn’t seem like there is a real disorder present with you. Maybe I am being ignorant but that is just my opinion.

 

 
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October 31, 2007, 11:29 am PDT

Sensitivities

I think that when an average person hears a skinny girl say that she has thunder thighs then people automatically wonder what she thinks of them.  Or when a beautiful girl says that she ugly we assume that she is fishing for compliments. 

 

I work in a rehab/ geriatric center.  We often will have a resident who thinks that her daddy wants her home.  We used to be taught to say, "Myrtle, you are 93- How old would that make your dad?"  Now we are taught not to argue.  It only upsets them and they feel that the death of their "daddy" is brand new.  We now say, "Your daddy knows that you are here and he says that you can spend the night."  Or something similar such as "well lets go eat dinner first."  

 

I don't know if this is similar but I know that the brain is very complicated.  Medicine hasn't even begun to understand how it works. 

 
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October 31, 2007, 11:29 am PDT

10/30 Body Dysmorphia

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Diana- You are an extremely beautiful woman (inside & out). When I saw you my first thought was WOW, she is absolutely beautiful! Why does she not like her image? This has got to be a joke Then after you started discussing how you feel within and the things that have happened to you and the lack of support you have been given I was able to understand. I wasnt aware that there was a disorder like this out there. You really opened my eyes to that. I hope that you get all the help and support you need to overcome this BDD and live a healthy and happy lifestyle. My thoughts and prayers are with you. God bless!!!

 

 

Cheyenne- Im sorry but I really have a hard time seeing why you were on the show yesterday. A lot of us dont like certain things about ourselves and have depression issues (I am on anti-depressant medicine myself) but for someone that is in beauty pageants all of her life and seems very confident when speaking it doesnt seem like there is a real disorder present with you. Maybe I am being ignorant but that is just my opinion.

 

You must be able to understand how it feels when people who don't understand depression judge you right?  You said you weren't aware of this disorder & thought it "has got to be a joke" until you heard the first young lady speak and then you were able to understand.  So if you're unable to understand then that means it isn't so?  Because the 2 young women weren't exactly the same you feel the 2nd girl isn't being honest or isn't suffering from a disorder?  You know there was a time that people who had been diagnosed with depression would think it had gone away on it's own & they were filled with a LOT of energy & they felt like they were on speed they were so hyper & people "questioned" them too until it was realized they were actually misdiagnosed and they were bipolar! 

 

Just because you don't understand doesn't mean this young lady isn't having a problem with a disorder & to have people telling her she's a coniving liar I can't imagine would help a person who has a self esteem problem of any kind. 

 
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