Topic : 03/19 A Model's Dangerous Marriage

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:55:30 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/31/07) It was the picture–perfect wedding -- a model marrying the handsome man she says treated her like gold. But after a few years of marriage, Kevin and Heather are in a dangerous relationship. They constantly yell, scream and fight, and their home life has gotten so bad that Heather says Kevin has picked her up by the throat, thrown her to the ground, held her at knifepoint and even taught their 3-year-old daughter to call her the C-word. You won't believe where their daughter ends up during the chaos! Kevin says Heather is the one who gets in his face, and she needs to stop being so controlling. He claims he's a changed man, but should she trust his behavior now? The Dr. Phil show installed cameras in their home. Why does Dr. Phil say the footage caught on tape is frightening? And, their moms weigh in on the situation. Should Heather spend another night under the same roof as Kevin? Her uncle offers her a safe place to rest, but will she take him up on the offer, or return home with the man she says could kill her or her daughter? Join the discussion.


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March 19, 2008, 8:36 pm PDT

Symptoms of Internal Violence

These people need some serious help. Their problems stem from the past which has never been resolved.  I grew up in a home where there was passive aggressive behavior, doors were slammed and no one spoke to each other for a month.  They simply took themselves away.  When there was fighting there were nasty words and an  unwillingness to listen.  Its called emotional abuse.  It lives inside the person but through fear of God's punishment, it was the silent but deadly abuse.  No one got hit or beat up, but emotionally, it may have as well happened. 

 

The problem with these two people is that they are reacting to something in their past. Practicing self control will not help because if there is something to control, that means its still there, whatever it is. They need a good transformational seminar where they get to deal with their problems on their own.  They need to separate and take these seminars on their own and discover their own transformation.  There are many transformational technologies that are available to people with a click of a mouse.  The problem will be getting humble enough to want to learn and want to improve.  These people lack communication skills and they don't know how to resolve their issues without their own egos getting in the way. They need a separation for about six months, take some seminars and then see who they are with each other.

 
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March 19, 2008, 8:53 pm PDT

03/19 A Model's Dangerous Marriage

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I agree with you but first they need a life changing experience with Jesus before this can take place.Even afterwords they will still be challenged to fall back into old ways but its the choices we make with the grace of God that will transform our mind and our taughts to be all that we were meant to be.When you have been abused over and over its very difficult to believe that a Loving God could possible love us,ofcourse we need to accept that truth but for the abuse person or the abusiver its difficult to accept,thats why the church is so important to encourage them.It's very difficult to see any different between the church today,we have become cold,self centred ,only concerned with our own selves.Actually I see the church more active in those that are not true believers(as we assume).When I witness people broken and others reaching out to those in need(hugs,lisitening to their pain,understanding instead of judgement,love unconditional)I see more of that on Dr. Phill than I see in the church(myself included).We are to busy playing church that we forget the reasons why church was meant for in the first place.Love one another as I have love you,even the abusiver,thats why alot of women stay ,it may not be sane to those from the outside looking in but their are actually good points to these women or men too and thats what we look for and see.If our Lord only saw the bad that we all do we be in hell now,thats why he died on the cross so we could have hope that despite our behaviour (even the abuser)we would have mercy for our sins,He paid the prize.I not saying that those who appear on the Dr. Phill show are believer or unbelivers,thats between them and their God,I'm talking about the world in general.Just in case people misunderstand me,mary

To take  "Love one another even as I have loved you" and twist it into a reason that a woman or man should stay in an abusive relationship is bogus. No one should feel that they are meant to be a doormat, under any circumstances, in any situation. That is just wrong, wrong, wrong. (Wrong!)

 
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March 19, 2008, 9:09 pm PDT

Very Upset with Dr. Phil

Wow, I was very surprised at you Dr. Phil.  I realize that this wife and mother had some problems, but it really seemed as if you were telling her she deserved what she got.  I feel that she was unaware of the damage she was causing her child.  She was definitely behaving like an abused wife (hounding him).  You were condescending and rude to this woman, excuse me abused woman.  That just empowered the husband.  Each time you raised your voice to her, the husband responded positively.  He even bowed down to you!  I was sickened.  The things this man did and said to her were 100 times worse than anything that little woman could have done.  I hope to God you are following this family.  You should have been more conscientious about getting that young woman and her baby daughter away from that man before he killed them. 
 

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March 19, 2008, 9:14 pm PDT

CPS would be interested in Kevin's views of his role in his daughter's future...

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Since Dr. Phil didn't call CPS on this one, I hope they were watching and did their own investigation. This child is clearly in danger and should have never had to stay one more day.
I think CPS would be VERY interested in hearing about dear old Dad threatening to pimp his daughter out as a prostitute -- saying this just to hurt mom, no less, who he mocks because she's been sexually abused herself -- and more than likely said it IN FRONT OF HIS DAUGHTER WHO IS ALWAYS A STONE'S THROW AWAY IN THAT TINY HOUSE.  THAT KIND OF TALK IS DOWNRIGHT ABUSIVE TO A LITTLE GIRL.  She'll be old enough to understand his threats soon, if she doesn't already.  What a charming daddy!... Nothing like your daddy to make you feel like a c*nt (a word he tried to get the little girl to call her own mother, remember?... ) So I guess his words and deeds are consistent...   Daddy is clearly the biggest kind of pervert.
 
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March 20, 2008, 1:22 am PDT

I totally agree!

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Did you see the cold look on Heather's face when her uncle offered them a home? Heather wouldn't be able to run her little game there. She would have to be responsible. She is loving driving her husband crazy and usung Penelope for ammunition, As soon as he is out of the house, Heather will have someone even worse in there and the games will continue. Penelope needs to go live with the uncle or in a foster home. Mommy needs to  get her tubes tied and then go strut her stuff on the street. Daddy needs to choose a wife for her charatcar, not her bra-size.
This chick has problems. Why is she following her husband around pushing just the right buttons if she is so afraid of him?. He definitely has serious problems with his temper, he's a little psycho in my opinion but why is she pushing him. Watching the show exhausted me. If she is really that afraid we are aware that she has options. She just chooses not to take advantage of them, maybe because she doesn't want to give up her big house and lifestyle. It's really a shame for the baby, why can't adults be responsible for the children that they choose to bring into the world. That is the real abuse!
 
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March 20, 2008, 1:42 am PDT

Where are you coming from?

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Wow, I was very surprised at you Dr. Phil.  I realize that this wife and mother had some problems, but it really seemed as if you were telling her she deserved what she got.  I feel that she was unaware of the damage she was causing her child.  She was definitely behaving like an abused wife (hounding him).  You were condescending and rude to this woman, excuse me abused woman.  That just empowered the husband.  Each time you raised your voice to her, the husband responded positively.  He even bowed down to you!  I was sickened.  The things this man did and said to her were 100 times worse than anything that little woman could have done.  I hope to God you are following this family.  You should have been more conscientious about getting that young woman and her baby daughter away from that man before he killed them. 
He was not telling her that she deserved what she got. He was pointing out to her, which I also was thinking at the same time, that she knows exactly how bad his temper is and how dangerous he can be, why is she pushing all of his buttons and not backing off. When you live with an abuser you shouldn't be concerned with who is right and who is wrong, you should just get the heck out of there! More than anything Dr. Phil was trying to point out to her what all of the fighting was doing to the baby. That should be her and the jerks main #1 concern. This child will be scarred for life. If she is so afraid of the guy why doesn't she get out of there. That man is very, very dangerous and she needs to be thinking of the baby and get out of there. By the way, she was not behaving like an abused wife, abused women don't push all of the right buttons knowing what the end result will be, she knows exactly what she's doing. I was sickened by both the husband and the wife! I wouldn't stay with a man 5 minutes if he spoke to me like that and he certainly wouldn't get away with ever laying a hand on me, EVER!
 
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March 20, 2008, 1:49 am PDT

I agree!

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I have a son who is now 21. From the time he was old enough to understand, I told him "You must never hit a girl, even if she hits you first. If a girl hits you, you must walk away." Back when he was small, I heard a lot about men abusing women, just like we still hear about today. I decided at that time  to do what I could to help my son to grow up to NOT be an abuser. Well, he has never hit a girl, and he was always a good kid anyway, I'm not sayin' I can take all the credit for him turning out the way he has. I just thought it was the least I could do. I didn't realize this was just "southern rules". 
My husband has always said that a man NEVER hits a lady. And sure enough he has only been gentle and loving with me. We really never argue but the couple that we've had in the last 20 years, when he's at his breaking point he just walks away. He's 59 and I'm 44, and he's always treated me with respect and as an equal. My man was raised right and you are doing it right too. Amen to you!
 
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March 20, 2008, 2:07 am PDT

Good luck.....

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You are self righteous and judgemental, and you are clueless as well.  And you are so, so angry.  I'm sorry that you feel that you need to take your obvious problems on people you don't even know.  Yes, I picked mine, and as he became older his mental illness, at the time unbeknownst to me, became more and more apparent.  I did end the cycle, and I did leave.  Read the entry again.  And I had been working up until this past August, often more than one job, because he wasn't paying any of the bills.  I lost my contract at work because I had to go to court constantly, and because I chose to stay home with my children when they were sick instead of being one of those parents who sends their kid to school sick just to get everybody else sick and disrepect my child's need to recover.  I would be extremely capable of supporting my children myself if I was not being dragged into court every week over fraudulent petitions, and constantly having to ward off the bill collecters for all of the money that he has weaseled out of people and attached my name to, and having to pay the legal bills that he is inflicting on me by drawing out the process of divorce for 2 1/2 years.  I lost my job because of the process of divorcing.  The only times I have received child support is when his choice was to pay something or go to jail.  And you obviously are not a great mother yourself if you think that dragging my children and myself away from every single support system and comfort zone that they have would be better for them then teaching them that there are good and trustworthy people in this world, that it is not OK to be treated like a worthless animal, and that it is OK to stand up for oneself.   I have paid plenty into social security, taxes, etc., I am not drawing on your tax money.  How very selfish of you.  The unemployment money comes directly from the company that fired me without a good reason, and I not only have paid enough to make these last two months of health insurance that the state has paid for, but within my profession I have worked with several people in need that couldn't afford to pay for every service they required.  I hope for your sake that you are never in a position of need.  If you are, I hope that people don't judge and treat you the way you are judging and treating others.  Maybe you need help solving your problems, because you obviously aren't doing a very good job of solving them yourself.  If anybody would want to help someone with your attitude...
I just wanted to wish you good luck and let you know that there are people out there who do care and understand what you are going through. I don't have an abusive husband, thank God, but I was disabled 8 years ago. I know full well how a catastrophic event can ruin your finances and and put you under unbearable stress. I get disability but it certainly doesn't come near what I was capable of earning and the medical bills on top of it. I too have bill collectors to deal with, not fun. I hope the best for you. I almost forgot, just like my disability your unemployment was paid for by you, not the taxpayers.
 
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March 20, 2008, 4:42 am PDT

I'm living proof

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These people need some serious help. Their problems stem from the past which has never been resolved.  I grew up in a home where there was passive aggressive behavior, doors were slammed and no one spoke to each other for a month.  They simply took themselves away.  When there was fighting there were nasty words and an  unwillingness to listen.  Its called emotional abuse.  It lives inside the person but through fear of God's punishment, it was the silent but deadly abuse.  No one got hit or beat up, but emotionally, it may have as well happened. 

 

The problem with these two people is that they are reacting to something in their past. Practicing self control will not help because if there is something to control, that means its still there, whatever it is. They need a good transformational seminar where they get to deal with their problems on their own.  They need to separate and take these seminars on their own and discover their own transformation.  There are many transformational technologies that are available to people with a click of a mouse.  The problem will be getting humble enough to want to learn and want to improve.  These people lack communication skills and they don't know how to resolve their issues without their own egos getting in the way. They need a separation for about six months, take some seminars and then see who they are with each other.

You definitely know what you're talking about.  I didn't know for the longest time why every relationship I entered into was doomed for failure. After just a few sessions with a psychologist, it became clear it all stemmed from my father's abuse (mental, physical and emotional).  The psychologist pointed out to me how I was forever trying to get my father's love and affection through many relationships and once I got it, I wanted to hurt them (get back at my father for not loving me).  I wish I could afford to stick with the sessions long enough to get permanent help because now I'm still looking for "Mr. Right."  I'm on husband #5 now at age 70!  I know what this daughter will endure her whole life through unless she gets some good counseling early.

 
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March 20, 2008, 7:24 am PDT

I couldn't agree with you more

Quote From: salmonda

I understand the duh look on his face but that little nasty chick is trying to create drama at any chance she gets. Been there buddy. I had to run away fast before someone got killed. I was with the same girl (ok ... a girl that was just like this one) for two years and wow ... running away was soooo good. Of course she had called the police after slicing my arm open with a saw (I was actually facing the other way and trying really hard to get her to stop antagonizing me at the time) ... but she called the police and informed them that I was abusive. I shrugged at the cops and they left me with my arm bleeding.
This is the same kind of chick ... just anything she can do to make him look bad ... maybe it makes her feel good when he feels bad. Dunno ...
Anyway, I have a wife and two kids now and we are a happy family and there hasn't been any yelling in this house for 4 years now.
I really feel sorry for big dumb guys that just don't get it until it is too late. tee hee Sorry dude

I think you're your right on the money!  And I'm a woman!  A woman that has been in an abusive relationship!  She stays, nags him, pushes his buttons, drives him to edge and then says "he did this to me!"  I saw right through her.  I didn't think Dr Phil addressed her issues enough.  Although I believe the first thing needed to be addressed is:  NO, he can't touch her, and he DOES need to leave before he really snaps (after all, a child is involved, and although he doesn't want to leave his child, he needs to for a  time for her sake.)    You're right, she just wants him to look bad.  I whole hardily believe that she's the bigger problem here.  And don't you know that her next relationship will be the same thing?  That's where the old saying goes "time will tell."  Time can be your best friend, while feeling like your worst enemy.  His next relationship will probably be great, then he'll have the on going turmoil of her trying to turn their daughter against him.  After this show (because most of the attention was on him) she'll be even more smug and cynical.  She's extremely dysfunctional and she's driving him to drink so to speak.  Been there (reversed rolls of course.)  I'm really sad to see so many people buying her act.  I only hope he reads the comments from the few of us that don't buy it.  He needs encouragement that good wins in the end, and even if it seems like he's being separated from his daughter right now, and it seems like she's pulled the wool over everyone's eyes,  he will be the victor in the end if he leaves and takes the help.  He does need to run from the chaos to have a clearing of his mind.  Every good man has a good woman behind him,  She's a disgrace to our gender.  She's "one of those."   She's a nagging bitch.  I'm surprised that Dr Phil called him the "right fighter" and not her.  Actually, the Bible says, "It is better to sit on the roof top, than to be in a house with a brawling woman."  (Proverbs)  Hee hee.  Thanks for your input, it needed to be said.

Sincerely,

A Proverbs 31 woman

 

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