Topic : 03/19 A Model's Dangerous Marriage

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(Original Air Date: 10/31/07) It was the picture–perfect wedding -- a model marrying the handsome man she says treated her like gold. But after a few years of marriage, Kevin and Heather are in a dangerous relationship. They constantly yell, scream and fight, and their home life has gotten so bad that Heather says Kevin has picked her up by the throat, thrown her to the ground, held her at knifepoint and even taught their 3-year-old daughter to call her the C-word. You won't believe where their daughter ends up during the chaos! Kevin says Heather is the one who gets in his face, and she needs to stop being so controlling. He claims he's a changed man, but should she trust his behavior now? The Dr. Phil show installed cameras in their home. Why does Dr. Phil say the footage caught on tape is frightening? And, their moms weigh in on the situation. Should Heather spend another night under the same roof as Kevin? Her uncle offers her a safe place to rest, but will she take him up on the offer, or return home with the man she says could kill her or her daughter? Join the discussion.


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March 15, 2008, 1:32 pm PDT

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Dangerous Doctor Marriage Model's Phil Now you know why I am not getting marry at all. See you on We---

dnesday March 19th, 2008. Sincerley Your. Russell Vlaanderen.---------------------------------------------------------

 
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March 16, 2008, 9:47 am PDT

13 CHILDREN DIE ON THE STREETS OF AMERICA EVERY DAY

In America there is a common misconception that children runaway from home because they are societal delinquents who want to be free of authority. The media depicts homeless and street kids as "rebels without a cause", as children who have no regard for society, who have no dreams and no aspirations for life but to get high.  

 

We know this portrayal of homeless and street kids to be false. In fact we know that 90% of children who run away have encountered mental, physical, emotional, and/ or sexual abuse. No child wants to live on the streets. No child wants to have to beg, steal, sell drugs, and/ or themselves just to survive.

 

More than half of the children on the streets are still under the age of 15.  Unable to legally work, these kids get involved in criminal activity just to survive.  Based on current estimates, there are more than one and a half million children, teenagers and young adults trying to survive on the U.S. streets today.  Children now make up 27 percent of the fastest growing segment of the U.S. homeless population.

 

For more info:  www.turnpurple.org 

 

The Turn Purple Campaign is the nations' first campaign against child abuse and the resulting problem of youth homelessness. 

 

 

 

DON'T RUNAWAY - TELL SOMEONE YOU CAN TRUST

 

 

Though harder to spot, emotional abuse is easier to deny.  But just as physical and sexual abuse have signposts to mark their presence, emotional abuse, being a systematic attack on one's sense of self, has common traits.  Just as physical and sexual abuse come in degrees of severity, emotional abuse runs the gamut of intensity and damage.

 

Anyone who had the misfortune of being raised by a parent who is cruel, vicious, vindictive, calculating, manipulative, a liar, cheat, selfish or neglectful, may benefit from reading some of my favorite books on the subject: 

 

 

Why It Is Always About You?  The Seven Deadly Sins of Narcissism by Sandy Hotchkiss AND Emotional Blackmail:  When the People in Your Life Use Fear, Obligation and Guilt to Manipulate You by Susan Forward  

 

Understanding the Borderline (Parent) Mother Helping Her Children Transcend the Intense, Unpredictable and Volatile Relationship by Christine Ann Lawson OR Surviving a Borderline Parent:  How to Heal Your Childhood Wounds & Build Trust, Boundaries and Self-Esteem by Kimberlee Roth and Freda Friedman OR The Angry Heart:  Overcoming Borderline and Addictive Disorders by Joseph Santoro and Ronald Cohen

 

A Child Called It:  One Child's Courage to Survive by David Pelzer OR Switching Time by Richard Baer OR Whatever Mother Says by Wensley Clarkson

 

How to Journal for Therapy:

http://arar.essortment.com/therapyjournali_repu.htm

 

Healing Anxiety and Depression (7 types of anxiety and depression) by Daniel Amen and Lisa Routh OR Getting Help:  The Complete and Authoritative Guide to Self-Assessment and Treatment of Mental Health Problems by Jeffrey Wood

 

 

If you tell your problem to someone that you can trust and still feel unhappy, unsafe, or uncomfortable, or if you don't trust anyone that you know, then you should CALL these numbers until you speak with someone you can trust:

 

National Runaway Switchboard  1-800-RUNAWAY or 1-800-621-4000

Covenant House Nine Line 1-800-999-9999

Child HELP USA 1-800-4ACHILD

Stand Up for Kids 1-800-365-4KID

Volunteers of America  www.voa.org

 

 

If you are unhappy or uncomfortable with something in your life it is up to you to change your situation and tell someone that you can trust. 

 

Hope it helps!

 

 
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March 16, 2008, 8:03 pm PDT

Save your child and yourself

SAVE YOUR CHILD AND YOURSELF AND GET OUT ASAP.....

Don't wait until it's too late get out, I know it seems there is no escape, but there is.

I have been in abusive marriages (yes more than one) and I can say I have been there and I now think more of myself than to put myself  in that place again and I think she and her child should get out asap. I loved him, but it nearly cost me my life at one time and it could have cost my child/children theirs, I gave him a second chance when he said he had changed and for nearly two years he had me convinced, but then it started again little by little with his words and then actions.  Before we finally split in 2007 he was talking suicide and homicide and I knew with God's help I had to get out of that marriage.  I am beginning to love myself (not in a conceded way) and no longer want to be with anyone who even has hints that he may be abusive whether it be physical, mental/emotional. We have to protect our children and ourselves. We listen to them ( the abusers) and start to believe what they say that we are no good, that we cause them to be that way towards us, it's our fault they are as they are, be told it's hair brained to go visit our own children, etc. For years I apologized even if I didn't think I was wrong to keep the peace, but after a while even that didn't work.  Was I afraid to get out, you bet, but with God and prayer and the help of my mother and step father, I was able to say enough was enough and I will never go back to him(My last husband). There are times you have to make an escape even if it has to be in secret to get away from the abuser, but it's possible so you need to get out in order to live a full and a safer life for your child/children and yourself. I am now 47 and yes I feel alone at times without a man in my life, but I'd rather be alone for now and be alive and have my children safe, then to stay and one of us be hurt or dead. 

When we love a man we don't want to see what others are telling us about him, but I say listen to those who are warning you, sort it out, is it because they just plain don't like the man or is it they see the signs that you cannot because love can truly be blind.  The signs can start out like a sharp remark, a put down, then they progress to name calling and belittling to great extends, to trying to control all you do, keeping you from family and friends. They try to convince you that your family and friends are just trying to come between you to ruin your marriage when in fact they are trying to safe you from danger. Don't wait unitl it's too late to get out except in a coffin, seek help in getting away if you have to and let God deleiver you from the bondage of an abusive relationship whether it be a marriage or someone you are dating/living with. It's hard to get out sometimes but you can do it . Listen to your children, I wish I had, they can sense things when you are still to blind to see the signs,  we don't give our children enough credit, we think oh I am an adult and I don't see that so it can't be, but trust me they sometimes know more than we do about the one we are with, they can see what we refuse to see.

Even though I love my children more that I can say I didn't listen to them and now I wish I had. I only have one child still underage and at home, but I still have apologized to all of my children for not listening and for being in that marrage that was dangerous. I have asked their forgiveness as well. We have to give them credit where credit is due and let them know how much we love them. I hope Heather and her child gets out. Also there is a good book out called, "WHEN IN DOUBT CHECK HIM OUT" which I suggest all read if in a dating relationship or a marriage

Don't wait until it's too late to know about who you are with. Men are abused too so they too could use this book.  

You can also check online for any past prison record of the man/woman in your life. Beware and be safe..... 

It took me most of my life to realize I don't have to be in an abusive relationship of any kind just because I didn't want to be alone. 

We have to stop the cycle in our lives so that our children don't think it's the way relationships should be so that they don't follow in our own footsteps of being in abusive relationships/marriages.

Signed            A survior not a victim.......     

 
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March 18, 2008, 10:36 am PDT

A Model's Dangerous Marrage

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I think that their is alot more going on than is visible to the eye.People don't choose to stay in abusive relationship but because of  low self-esteem,fear,no support,no place to live etc. all goes through your mind when your in an abusive relationship.It's so easy for people to say get out,actually people are great with advise, but when you have no income,no place to live thats another story.People are not so willing to be there through the long road to recovery,they  have  lots of suggestions but unable to fullfill the help needed when the time comes.I lived it so I know what I'm saying, its truth for me.We don't all have a Dr. Phill to help us and usually everyone disappears because the abusiver drives them away,which leave you all alone,with no one.It all depends on your situation and everybody is different.I think the abusive person needs as much help as the abuse person which I find they don't always get because people are so judgemental.We forget that everyone in the situation is hurting,I don't agree with abusive behaviour,no excuse for it but I also witness how little help the person with the abusive behaviour gets,very little .
 
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March 18, 2008, 11:10 am PDT

03/19 A Model's Dangerous Marriage

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I am wondering if this message board is blocked from posting helpful weblinks and sites for victims of abuse and abusers (both could use a TRUE relationship with Christ). My weblinks did not go through.

 

Only Jesus can transform an abuser from the inside out and make everlasting changes.

 

And victims need Jesus so they do not get torn down completely from abusers.

 

I have the show saved on my tv box and I don't think the abuser really wanted her to leave in the video, I think he was trying to get her outside of the camera view to hit her and abuse her.

 

I would recommend Joyce Meyers Beauty for Ashes - my wife and I have the cd set and workbook. She also offers a book that we have not purchased and read. It is about surviving and overcoming abuse with the help of Jesus.

 

Joyce's website, Creflo ministries, and the Copeland wesite have good information. Meyers, Copelands, and Jimmy and Karen Evan offer free magazine subsciptions with helpful articles for all areas of life.

 

No matter who we are, all humans that are living could use resources that help us to be more Christlike. The bible is the only "living" book that truly transforms lives.

I agree with you but first they need a life changing experience with Jesus before this can take place.Even afterwords they will still be challenged to fall back into old ways but its the choices we make with the grace of God that will transform our mind and our taughts to be all that we were meant to be.When you have been abused over and over its very difficult to believe that a Loving God could possible love us,ofcourse we need to accept that truth but for the abuse person or the abusiver its difficult to accept,thats why the church is so important to encourage them.It's very difficult to see any different between the church today,we have become cold,self centred ,only concerned with our own selves.Actually I see the church more active in those that are not true believers(as we assume).When I witness people broken and others reaching out to those in need(hugs,lisitening to their pain,understanding instead of judgement,love unconditional)I see more of that on Dr. Phill than I see in the church(myself included).We are to busy playing church that we forget the reasons why church was meant for in the first place.Love one another as I have love you,even the abusiver,thats why alot of women stay ,it may not be sane to those from the outside looking in but their are actually good points to these women or men too and thats what we look for and see.If our Lord only saw the bad that we all do we be in hell now,thats why he died on the cross so we could have hope that despite our behaviour (even the abuser)we would have mercy for our sins,He paid the prize.I not saying that those who appear on the Dr. Phill show are believer or unbelivers,thats between them and their God,I'm talking about the world in general.Just in case people misunderstand me,mary
 
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March 18, 2008, 11:19 pm PDT

03/19 A Model's Dangerous Marriage

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I agree with you but first they need a life changing experience with Jesus before this can take place.Even afterwords they will still be challenged to fall back into old ways but its the choices we make with the grace of God that will transform our mind and our taughts to be all that we were meant to be.When you have been abused over and over its very difficult to believe that a Loving God could possible love us,ofcourse we need to accept that truth but for the abuse person or the abusiver its difficult to accept,thats why the church is so important to encourage them.It's very difficult to see any different between the church today,we have become cold,self centred ,only concerned with our own selves.Actually I see the church more active in those that are not true believers(as we assume).When I witness people broken and others reaching out to those in need(hugs,lisitening to their pain,understanding instead of judgement,love unconditional)I see more of that on Dr. Phill than I see in the church(myself included).We are to busy playing church that we forget the reasons why church was meant for in the first place.Love one another as I have love you,even the abusiver,thats why alot of women stay ,it may not be sane to those from the outside looking in but their are actually good points to these women or men too and thats what we look for and see.If our Lord only saw the bad that we all do we be in hell now,thats why he died on the cross so we could have hope that despite our behaviour (even the abuser)we would have mercy for our sins,He paid the prize.I not saying that those who appear on the Dr. Phill show are believer or unbelivers,thats between them and their God,I'm talking about the world in general.Just in case people misunderstand me,mary
"Love one another as I have love you,even the abusiver,thats why alot of women stay ,it may not be sane to those from the outside looking in but their are actually good points to these women or men too and thats what we look for and see."

You think a woman should stay with a man who abuses her on a religious principle?
 
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March 19, 2008, 6:29 am PDT

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I am a victim of domestic violence and I can relate to Heather's fear; anxiety; depression.  I do not like that whenever Dr Phil discusses these types of issues that he has to contribute to the abuse on the woman by telling her that she "allows" this to happen.  That there is no such things as victims, only volunteers. I for one would stand up to my husband and tell him that I did not accept that behavior so he found another tactic. He would appologize and tell me that I mis-interpreted his intentions, blah, blah, blah.  I'm sure that in the beginning of the relationship Heather did attempt not to contribute to this and I'm sure that she did stand up for herself and I bet Kevin acknowleged that his behavior was wrong and he then behaved as he thought she expected he should act.  Thus beginning the cycle of abuse.  He would be kind and gentle, loving and caring then whammo he gets nasty and it's out of the blue and Heather was left with OMG where did that come from what did I do to deserve that?  Did I really do what he accuses me of?  Am I really such a bad wife/mother?  Then she starts walking around on eggshells.......UGH!  I do not condone that she has her daughter there when the fights start, however, I do believe that that is a startegy that Kevin does on purpose.  He does not value these two beautiful females.  They are nothing to him and I believe that Heather may instinctively grab her daughter to protect and flee if necessary.  I'm sure no mother intentionally puts their child in immediate danger or middle of fearse arguments.  Dr. Phil where is your compassion?

 
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March 19, 2008, 6:34 am PDT

I agree with ZERO abuse

 However, when a woman is standing there hitting me repeatedly, like Dr. says till your nose turns bloody and she knocks your tooth out, you do not EVER EVER hit a woman in anger, BULL ! If I can not get away from her and/or successfully block her swings and restrain her arms she is going to find herself flat on the floor a couple of feet distant. That what's so VERY VERY wrong with so many women. They have been taught that no matter what they do and to who they are supposed to be treated like some kind of little princess. "Get over it" Dr. Phil. Your teaching and encouraging a gender of entitlement opinioned brats.

So it doesn't get missed, I do not believe in striking women, myself having been struck by them, and I certainly do not believe in abuse...BY EITHER SEX. However, if it come down to an unavoidable choice between me or her, it's going to be her. It's well past time that women grow up BEFORE they enter into a relationship.
 

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March 19, 2008, 6:37 am PDT

Bumping this forward for all to read

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Highly disappointed with Dr. Phil's handling and the presentation of this show.  This couple is not having marital difficulties.  There is a distinct pattern of willful and intentional tactics and antics on the part of the Abuser husband. 

 

There is no excuse for Domestic Violence.

 

Most especially the message sent to the audience and the millions watching at home was mentioned that when there are fatalities in a relationship where there is Abuse and Violence that it occurs in an accidental fashion.  NOT SO.

 

 The characterization of these fatalities as accidental, or something that gets "out of hand" or possibly impulsive is inaccurate, false, and not in keeping with what the studies, statistics, and situations  bare out.

 

These acts are most generally, often preceded by a history of intimate violence that is anything but accidental or impulsive.

 

These are crimes of POWER AND CONTROL, CONTROL OVER ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL WHO IS TARGETED BY THE ABUSER....TO DOMINATE, CONTROL AND OWN POWER OVER.

 

There are  long standing conflicts in the MIND OF THE ABUSER.  OFTEN IS RELATED TO THE END OF A RELATIONSHIP,  with the woman finally seeing the light and ending the sham of a relationship or marriage.

 

Was no one listening to this woman say " he will kill me, if I leave?"  "He will prostitute my child"  Many of these Violent Abusers, maim, destroy or kill 'their property, they see the woman and children, even pets as their property.  Abusers don't relate to people.  Their sense of entitlement doesn't allow for that.

 

'You are NOT going anywhere'  And frankly, neither is he,  many, many Abusers use the ol' ploy...that they will leave, or they are leaving to further abuse and play head-games with their woman or the children.

 

SHE MOST DEFINITELY WAS IN DANGER AND STILL COULD BE.  As well as the CHILD.

 

More than 1,200  women are killed by their intimate partners annually in the United States, and close to 30 percent of those murders are followed by suicides.

 

Using the examples of.....

 

OJ Simpson

 

Scott Peterson,

 

Mark Hacking

 

 

Premeditation comes to my mind.

 

 

To describe these heinous acts, choices on the part of the Abuser as impulsive or in some cases accidents..... diminishes the deliberate actions in committing these crimes.  And truly negates the suffering of women in family Violence households.

 

Are we suggesting that the perpetrators were unable to control their impulses?

 

DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, ABUSE IS ABOUT THE ABUSERS NEED TO CONTROL AND IT IS INTENTIONAL...A CHOICE DELIBERATE ON THE PART OF THE ABUSER.

 

 

While I understand the theory behind handling this particular Abuser in the fashion Dr. Phil chose, I believe I understand.

 

 However.........Dr. Phil what about all the other messages that are getting out there to your audience, and the masses of folks watching at home and around the world.....when will we see shows that will contribute with  real answers, true ownness, debunk the myths, and really give folks the understanding that is sorely needed in our societies to help stamp out this horrid  Abuse, & Violence against Women and Children....in their own homes.

 

Domestic Abuse and Domestic Violence is a strong reality of everyday life for millions of women and children in our country and around world.

 

People need to be educated, really educated on the cycle of Violence, the tactics, the manipulations, the POWER AND CONTROL.

 

One person can completely destroy an entire family. 

 

It's happening everyday.

 

It's happening now, as I type.

 

Please Dr. Phil.....more education.

 

The absolute REAL INFORMATION.

 

People still don't "get it."

 

IS DOMESTIC ABUSE, AND DOMESTIC VIOLENCE THE ONLY CRIME LEFT WHERE WE ARE STILL BLAMING THE VICTIMS?

 

Why is that so? !!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bringing this post forward for all to read and hopefully have a better understanding.
 
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March 19, 2008, 6:58 am PDT

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I think Dr. Phil is being too hard on Heather.   She is in an abusive relationship and has probably been told before they went on stage what she can or can't say or do.   Kevin is an egotistical liar.  He sits on the stage trying to blame his behavior on Heather.   He shows no emotion.  He seems to be a heartless cold man.  She probably knows that if she says the wrong thing she will get the crap beat out of her when she gets home.  She probably has the daughter with her all the time to try to prevent the abuse, hoping he won't do it if she has the child.   This is wrong, but it is her only defense mechanism.  You say get out, do you not know how many women tried that and were hunted down and killed.  Most of these women are told that if they ever leave they will kill them.   He says he just wants to leave or her to leave, if that was true he would just walk out, he wants the fight and probably enjoys it, makes him feel like more of a man.    She needs a SAFE place to go where he can't find her.  If he will beat on her, he will do it to the child, it only takes a matter of time for that to start happening.

 

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