Topic : 03/19 A Model's Dangerous Marriage

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(Original Air Date: 10/31/07) It was the picture–perfect wedding -- a model marrying the handsome man she says treated her like gold. But after a few years of marriage, Kevin and Heather are in a dangerous relationship. They constantly yell, scream and fight, and their home life has gotten so bad that Heather says Kevin has picked her up by the throat, thrown her to the ground, held her at knifepoint and even taught their 3-year-old daughter to call her the C-word. You won't believe where their daughter ends up during the chaos! Kevin says Heather is the one who gets in his face, and she needs to stop being so controlling. He claims he's a changed man, but should she trust his behavior now? The Dr. Phil show installed cameras in their home. Why does Dr. Phil say the footage caught on tape is frightening? And, their moms weigh in on the situation. Should Heather spend another night under the same roof as Kevin? Her uncle offers her a safe place to rest, but will she take him up on the offer, or return home with the man she says could kill her or her daughter? Join the discussion.


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March 19, 2008, 7:12 am PDT

Sick...

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JUST REMEMBER HEATHER PICKED HIM.  YOU PICKED YOUR'S.  DRAMA QUEENS.  END THE CYCLE WITH YOURSELF.  YOU COULD HAVE MOVED. YOU COULD HAVE LEFT IF YOU REALLY WANTED TO. THESE ARE JUST EXCUSES.  AGAIN, SOME WOMEN JUST LIKE THE DAILY DRAMA.  THEY DON'T WANT TO WORK.  THEY JUST WANT SOMEONE TO SUPPORT THEM.  AND YOU, WITH TWO MASTERS DEGREES (IF THAT IS TRUE), I AM REALLY UPSET THAT MY TAX MONEY IS GOING TO PROGRAMS TO SUPPORT YOU.  AND, NOW PROBABLY, HEATHER TOO.  JUST BECAUSE SHE CAN'T MAKE GOOD DECISIONS FOR HERSELF.  YOU ARE CAPABLE OF SUPPORTING YOURSELF AND YOUR CHILDREN IF  YOU HAVE TWO MASTERS DEGREES.  JUST MOVE OUT OF STATE, GET A JOB, LEAVE THE DRAMA BEHIND YOU.  BELIEVE ME, NO ONE WILL COME AFTER YOU, WHY WOULD THEY WANT TO?  YOU PROBABLY JUST DON'T WANT TO GIVE UP THE CHILD SUPPORT. IF YOU REALLY CARED ABOUT YOUR CHILDREN, YOU WOULD SIMPLY WALK AWAY. QUIT ASKING THE COUNTRY TO TAKE CARE OF YOU AND SOLVE YOUR PROBLEMS. SOLVE THEM YOURSELF!

 

It's not as simple as "just make good decisions" and "just walk away".  First of all, BOTH people in this marriage are SICK.  This is a dysfunction on both ends. It's like pointing a finger at a diabetic and saying "quit being diabetic".  Doesn't work that way.  Yes, she needs to leave, but she needs the tools and support to do it, or she's going to continue being the victim in either this relationship or the next. 

 

Second, men tend to KILL women as they're leaving an abuser.  Remember, this guy held a knife to her throat, I don't think he's above finishing what he started.  She needs to get a police escort when she leaves.  Then they BOTH need counseling as well as their daughter. 

 

Third, Dr. Laura has a nuance of blaming women for creating and enabling an abuser, when it's the man's problem to begin with, and liklihood of changing them is very low.  It makes for a woman with even lower self esteem/worth, staying in the dangerous abusive situation, and blames instead of empowering women, as I'm sure was the original intention.  ;)

 

Fourth, I don't think she's asking for a handout.  I think she's trying to "reposition" herself (per TD Jakes :)) so that she CAN be financially independant and NOT leech off of you or anyone else.  Unfortunately, it takes resources that may or may not cost $.  I don't mind some of my tax money helping out someone who is temporarily down on their luck as any one of us may find ourselves in the same situation (as a member of a Christian subculture, it's also my social responsibility to help people in need).  I think that she will get back on her feet and become a financially stable productive member of society again, and I pray for her  during this difficult time.

 
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March 19, 2008, 7:29 am PDT

I think they are both a mess...

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I think Dr. Phil is being too hard on Heather.   She is in an abusive relationship and has probably been told before they went on stage what she can or can't say or do.   Kevin is an egotistical liar.  He sits on the stage trying to blame his behavior on Heather.   He shows no emotion.  He seems to be a heartless cold man.  She probably knows that if she says the wrong thing she will get the crap beat out of her when she gets home.  She probably has the daughter with her all the time to try to prevent the abuse, hoping he won't do it if she has the child.   This is wrong, but it is her only defense mechanism.  You say get out, do you not know how many women tried that and were hunted down and killed.  Most of these women are told that if they ever leave they will kill them.   He says he just wants to leave or her to leave, if that was true he would just walk out, he wants the fight and probably enjoys it, makes him feel like more of a man.    She needs a SAFE place to go where he can't find her.  If he will beat on her, he will do it to the child, it only takes a matter of time for that to start happening.

I was in an abusive marriage when I was in my 20's.  I agree that he is screwed up and needs serious counceling.  The thing that makes me question her motives for being on the show other than to throw him under the bus was her lack of response when her uncle offered her and her child a safe place to stay.  If I had been given an offer to go out of state away from my husband, I would have been jumping for joy.  She acted like she didn't really want to leave.  I think that she is a sick puppy too.  She loved the attention but when Dr. Phil called her out on the constant nagging and having her daughter within physical reach of her husband during an arguement, she made so many excuses that it got rediculious.  Don't get me wrong, she should leave and not look back.  I was fortunate that I didn't have any children at the time and the way I got out was I cheated on him and went straight home and told him.  I knew that one of two things would happen, he would kill me or divorce me, but at the time, it was the only way out that I could see.  I felt sorry for her until her lack of emmotion when Dr Phil pointed out that they were scaring their daughter by doing this in front of her.  My heart aches for that beautiful little girl.  I am re-married and I have 2 amazing children.  My husband and I don't even raise our voices in front of our children.  I couldn't imagine holding one in my arms while some Psycho is threatening my life.  I would shut my mouth, whether I was right or wrong.  There is no winner in an arguement when a child is involved.
 
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March 19, 2008, 9:08 am PDT

03/19 A Model's Dangerous Marriage

I will never get used to seeing women staying in a relationship which is dangerous and destructive to not only themselves but their innocent children!

 

I endured that myself as a new wife of 16...we had a one month old baby. My husband never laid a hand on me in anger until the day we were married....then all hell broke loose! I GOT OUT!!

 

For all of you women who find yourselves in a dangerous situation and don't know what to do, please go to www.nononsensegrammytree.blogspot.com and click on the January archive, then scroll down to the article I wrote titled "Even A Turtle....."

 

Also, in the February archive is an article titled "Before You Say I Do" which, if you are considering marriage, you may want to read first and to which you might want to give some serious thought! Many of the mistakes you may make can be avoided if you will ask yourself the questions in this article.  

 
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March 19, 2008, 9:16 am PDT

currently in a verbally abuse marriage

I am currently in the middle of a verbally abusive relationship. one time it was physical when he bit me on my arm. I am right now, 7 mths pregnant, I was I believe 5 mths pregnant when he bit me the one time. The verbal abuse started around that time, and has gotten worse. Me and him got married only 8 mths ago, pregnancy was somewhat earlier then we had planned, but only by a few months. And the abuse wasn't present before. We did have problems after we got married, and I know it was because I was too sensitive with certain things ( the types of things he showed me, dreams, hopes he wanted to give me, would tell me how life would be like, didnt happen).

And the reason it didnt happen was because his parents were very much a part of our lives, in the sense, nothing could be done without their permission kind of thing. I felt like a kid all over again. I completely respected his parents, have never raised my voice to them. After the first few mths of marriage, I realized where I was wrong, and did a complete 180. I stopped my bickering, I stopped being sensitive. But he didnt stop himself. I apologized for my actions, to him AND his parents (because they involved themselves, my husband involved them) so I wasn't just talking to my husband, I was dealing with his parents too.

It was very hectic. A tough time, but I handled it the best way I could which was to be quiet, and hope for the best. Then I guess this was taken advantage of. Ok, long story short, basically because I didnt follow a so-called 'plan' of the family, I was sworn at, numerous talks of abortion from my inlaws and my husband (they had talked about abortion before as well), exiling me from their home, telling me NOT to come home, my husband telling me continuously to shut up, that I was dumb, unable to live up to his expectations, he didnt care for our child, all of this his father has said to me as well, swearing at me, putting me down over and over again.

Luckily I am not with him at the moment due to work and school. But I have NO IDEA where things are going to go, what I'm supposed to do. Just completely lost! I know I have to put my child first, which I am looking forward to! But I am very confused. I havent spoken with my husband for a month now. My inlaws (and yes, they are COMPLETELY involved in our marriage) do call me once in awhile, just to see how I am, how the baby is and such. very very confused

 
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March 19, 2008, 9:52 am PDT

A word of encouragement....

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You are self righteous and judgemental, and you are clueless as well.  And you are so, so angry.  I'm sorry that you feel that you need to take your obvious problems on people you don't even know.  Yes, I picked mine, and as he became older his mental illness, at the time unbeknownst to me, became more and more apparent.  I did end the cycle, and I did leave.  Read the entry again.  And I had been working up until this past August, often more than one job, because he wasn't paying any of the bills.  I lost my contract at work because I had to go to court constantly, and because I chose to stay home with my children when they were sick instead of being one of those parents who sends their kid to school sick just to get everybody else sick and disrepect my child's need to recover.  I would be extremely capable of supporting my children myself if I was not being dragged into court every week over fraudulent petitions, and constantly having to ward off the bill collecters for all of the money that he has weaseled out of people and attached my name to, and having to pay the legal bills that he is inflicting on me by drawing out the process of divorce for 2 1/2 years.  I lost my job because of the process of divorcing.  The only times I have received child support is when his choice was to pay something or go to jail.  And you obviously are not a great mother yourself if you think that dragging my children and myself away from every single support system and comfort zone that they have would be better for them then teaching them that there are good and trustworthy people in this world, that it is not OK to be treated like a worthless animal, and that it is OK to stand up for oneself.   I have paid plenty into social security, taxes, etc., I am not drawing on your tax money.  How very selfish of you.  The unemployment money comes directly from the company that fired me without a good reason, and I not only have paid enough to make these last two months of health insurance that the state has paid for, but within my profession I have worked with several people in need that couldn't afford to pay for every service they required.  I hope for your sake that you are never in a position of need.  If you are, I hope that people don't judge and treat you the way you are judging and treating others.  Maybe you need help solving your problems, because you obviously aren't doing a very good job of solving them yourself.  If anybody would want to help someone with your attitude...

Do not feel compelled to defend yourself against the ignorant comments of others who haven't a clue about what you have gone through!

 

It take REAL courage to leave an abusive relationship and take on the burden of trying to support yourself and your children with limited resources...I've been there! When a women leaves a marriage, her income is severely reduced in 90% of the cases....even now, in this day and age, women's income for doing the same job as a man is less, PLUS she has the double job of trying to be there for her children AND having to work multiple jobs just to survive! I've been there, too! 

 

If you need to temporarily call on government resources to help you through this mess, then do it without any shame. You aren't making it a life-style; just a respite....and the tax dollars you put into the system were a pay-it-forward!

 

Do what you have to do to make a safe place for you and your children.

 

Good luck!   

 
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March 19, 2008, 11:49 am PDT

Leave and get professional help.

I lived with emotional and physical abuse during a marriage that brought me one good thing. My daughter. When she was 2, my husband went out of control with his abuse and the first sign of it directed at her, I packed a few things and left. Never looked back. Things fell into place and yes I was scared to leave and scared to stay. So what did I have too gain? Determination, a control of my priorities and eventually I did stop looking over my shoulder. Thirty two years later I am back in psychotherapy because I married into a similar relationship but have since separated, got my act together and I continue to work on the joy of just waking up every day. BTW, my daughter and I are very connected and she continues to tell me what great respect she has for me. I'm on my way.
 
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March 19, 2008, 12:05 pm PDT

Simply amazing!

I haven't watched the show yet, it's just coming on but I read about the program. He would have left her by now if she wasn't so good looking? So what about the age difference! My husband is 16 years older than me and has treated me as an equal from day one. Why hasn't she left him? This makes women look stupid! By the way, is it the baby's freedom of speech to call her mother a *&^%?!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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March 19, 2008, 12:47 pm PDT

Uncle wants to help.

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I haven't watched the show yet, it's just coming on but I read about the program. He would have left her by now if she wasn't so good looking? So what about the age difference! My husband is 16 years older than me and has treated me as an equal from day one. Why hasn't she left him? This makes women look stupid! By the way, is it the baby's freedom of speech to call her mother a *&%?!!!!!!!!!!!
Did you see the cold look on Heather's face when her uncle offered them a home? Heather wouldn't be able to run her little game there. She would have to be responsible. She is loving driving her husband crazy and usung Penelope for ammunition, As soon as he is out of the house, Heather will have someone even worse in there and the games will continue. Penelope needs to go live with the uncle or in a foster home. Mommy needs to  get her tubes tied and then go strut her stuff on the street. Daddy needs to choose a wife for her charatcar, not her bra-size.
 
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March 19, 2008, 12:49 pm PDT

you both need help

GOOD GOD WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THE BOTH OF YOU.AND PUTTING THIS LITTLE GIRL IN THE MIDDLE IS JUST OFF THE WALL.I THINK DR,PHIL IS WRONG ABOUT ONE THING AND THAT ONE THING IS WHEN HE SAID IF SHE WAS BEATING YOU AND BLEED YOUR NOSE YOU DONT EVER HIT HER.WELL LET ME TELL YOU I WOULD STRIKE BACK IN A HEAT BEAT.IF SOMEONE IS HITTING ME I WOULD HIT BACK.I WOULD NOT STAND THERE AND LET ANYONE HIT ME WITHOUT HITTING BACK.IM SORRY DR.PHIL I THINK THAT PART WAS WRONG.I DONT THINK THAT ANYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO HIT ANYONE.BUT IF SOMEONE IS HITTING ME IM HITTING BACK.AS FAR AS THESE PEOPLE GO I THINK THEY ARE BOTH OUT TO LUNCH.GROW UP AND GET A LIFE.AND GET AWAY FROM ONE ANOTHER TILL YOU CAN GET THINGS STRAIGHTENED UP.AND ABOUT READING A BIBLE ANYONE CAN DO THAT.BUT IF YOU STILL GET VOILENT THEN I DONT KNOW WHY YOU DO THAT.I THINK THIS WIFE IS THE CAUSE OF A LOT OF IT.LEAVE YOUR HUSBAND A LONE.I WOULD RATHER HAVE HIM WALK AWAY INSTEAD OF FIGHTING HIM.GET A LIFE BOTH OF YOU.AND WALKING AROUND WITH THIS LITTLE GIRL ON YOUR HIP FIGHTING WITH YOUR HUSBAND IS JUST CRAZY.LIKE DR.PHIL WOULD SAY WHAT ARE YOU THINKING LADY/I WOULD NEVER EVER DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.PEOPLE FIGHT YES BUT MY GOD TO BRING THAT CHILD IN THE MIDDLE IS JUST NUTS.
 
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March 19, 2008, 12:52 pm PDT

How absurd of the wife

Where was Dr. Phil?  He is in a dream world.  Not one bad word for the abusing wife.  While I believe that no man or woman should be abusive, it doesn't give her the right to act like she is the angel here.  Why didn't Dr. Phil attack her the way he attacked him.  She has many problems too.

Get real and be fair to both of them.

 

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