Topic : 03/19 A Model's Dangerous Marriage

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(Original Air Date: 10/31/07) It was the picture–perfect wedding -- a model marrying the handsome man she says treated her like gold. But after a few years of marriage, Kevin and Heather are in a dangerous relationship. They constantly yell, scream and fight, and their home life has gotten so bad that Heather says Kevin has picked her up by the throat, thrown her to the ground, held her at knifepoint and even taught their 3-year-old daughter to call her the C-word. You won't believe where their daughter ends up during the chaos! Kevin says Heather is the one who gets in his face, and she needs to stop being so controlling. He claims he's a changed man, but should she trust his behavior now? The Dr. Phil show installed cameras in their home. Why does Dr. Phil say the footage caught on tape is frightening? And, their moms weigh in on the situation. Should Heather spend another night under the same roof as Kevin? Her uncle offers her a safe place to rest, but will she take him up on the offer, or return home with the man she says could kill her or her daughter? Join the discussion.


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March 19, 2008, 3:08 pm PDT

Give the man a break!?

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I agree 100% that a man should not touch a woman in anger.  But I also believe that a woman can be as abusive as a man.  My impression from watching today show was that Kevin has an anger management problem and knows it and is definitely taking several steps in the right direction by turning to the Lord and getting some professional help including stepping out of the marital relationship.  But I think the wife is quite self righteous.  Note she said she realizes she needs help, but only "because of all she's been through".  What about all you've put him through and your part in getting in his face and egging him on, and provoking his anger knowing he will eventually "break" and hit you or something if you push him far enough.  Shut up and walk away before things get to that point and after you have both calmed down, talk about it, owning up to your own part in the fight.  You're not perfect either.  And just because he has accepted Christ and is trying to turn his life around doesn't mean he's going to become this perfect person overnight or that he won't give in to "being human" now and then.  I just love people like you who wait for every opportunity to sarcastically state, "Oh, I thought you'd been saved and was a changed man".  It's people like you who, no matter what he does, will never let him change and outlive his past.   It would do you some good to find Jesus yourself.  You might realized you're not every man's dream for a wife yourself.  Give the man a break and remember the reasons you fell in love with him in the first place.  You're not the same person you were then either. 

It is because of the Lord, that my mom survived an abusive husband and my sister and I were very much affected by it.  As a Christian woman, my mom followed every loyal, faithful, sacrifising effort to stop the torture.  From your assesment, you do not know that kind of haunting fear.  There is no rest from it.  Did you see the wife's body languarge?  Sat straight, stiff and with little emotion.  Do you think that was planned?  FEAR  That is one of the protective stances that an abused person takes, if she doesn't want to get the wrath from HELL (a beating).  I respect your vision on the situation but I lived in it myself.  As I wrote on another posting, an abused person has been beaten down so much that the thought processes only exist on surviving, living the next moment. 

 

Thank God, my mom walked away, after my sister and I tried to rescue her when my dad was strangling her.  She was then afraid for us.  Either way, there are more resources for women and abuse is more out in the open and it's not the old saying, "Well, if you are just nice enough, he will change".  Boy oh boy did we take that one hook, line and sinker!  Speaking as not a therapist, I would wager 90% of abusers do not change.  One of the things Dr. Phil said was totally accurate, change takes time, if he truly wants to be the man God created hm to be.   Yes, I totally believe in Christ we are new creations, but we have to follow His leading - He doesn't lead us to violence. We have to be responsible for our own actions.  Don't think that because people don't believe him that they aren't Christians, they are just not willing to place the blame on something or someoneelse. 

 

I will not excuse violence because he/she is a Christian, I will believe in Christ, the abuser needs to get away from what "he perceives" is pushing his buttons and get professional Christian counseling.

 
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March 19, 2008, 3:09 pm PDT

Incomplete Move

Dr Phil did not go far enough. At least Kevin admits & is willing/trying to change; I saw no remorse - not even a flicker - of responsibility in Heather . . . she has NO MORE right to spend time with Penelope than he does.

 
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March 19, 2008, 3:13 pm PDT

Dangerous Marriage

As a former drug user involved with another drug user it's obvious to me that the lady (probably him too) is using meth. Her outburst', constant jabbering, movement and even the spots on her face point in that direction. I've seen it happen and, although I never got that bad, I had my moments when I just wanted to "shut her up" anyway I could.  
 
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March 19, 2008, 3:17 pm PDT

03/19 A Model's Dangerous Marriage

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I agree with you but first they need a life changing experience with Jesus before this can take place.Even afterwords they will still be challenged to fall back into old ways but its the choices we make with the grace of God that will transform our mind and our taughts to be all that we were meant to be.When you have been abused over and over its very difficult to believe that a Loving God could possible love us,ofcourse we need to accept that truth but for the abuse person or the abusiver its difficult to accept,thats why the church is so important to encourage them.It's very difficult to see any different between the church today,we have become cold,self centred ,only concerned with our own selves.Actually I see the church more active in those that are not true believers(as we assume).When I witness people broken and others reaching out to those in need(hugs,lisitening to their pain,understanding instead of judgement,love unconditional)I see more of that on Dr. Phill than I see in the church(myself included).We are to busy playing church that we forget the reasons why church was meant for in the first place.Love one another as I have love you,even the abusiver,thats why alot of women stay ,it may not be sane to those from the outside looking in but their are actually good points to these women or men too and thats what we look for and see.If our Lord only saw the bad that we all do we be in hell now,thats why he died on the cross so we could have hope that despite our behaviour (even the abuser)we would have mercy for our sins,He paid the prize.I not saying that those who appear on the Dr. Phill show are believer or unbelivers,thats between them and their God,I'm talking about the world in general.Just in case people misunderstand me,mary

NOwhere in the Bible does it say that it's acceptable for a spouse to abuse! It is NOT okay. In fact, there are several passages that say the opposite.  

 

We have a loving God who does not want his children to accept the evil of abuse, whether physical or verbal. Turning the other cheek does not mean you should just take abuse from anyone, and just blithely "forgive" and continue to remain in that mess!   We were given intelligence, common sense, free will, a sense of self-preservation and a survival instinct so that we know when we are in the presence of evil and get the heck out! Staying only enables the abuser and tells them to continue their behavior.  

 

You are NOT supposed to stay in an abusive relationship and allow evil to surround you and your children, because when you do that, then YOU become the abuser....of the children.

 
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March 19, 2008, 3:29 pm PDT

03/19 A Model's Dangerous Marriage

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I will never get used to seeing women staying in a relationship which is dangerous and destructive to not only themselves but their innocent children!

 

I endured that myself as a new wife of 16...we had a one month old baby. My husband never laid a hand on me in anger until the day we were married....then all hell broke loose! I GOT OUT!!

 

For all of you women who find yourselves in a dangerous situation and don't know what to do, please go to www.nononsensegrammytree.blogspot.com and click on the January archive, then scroll down to the article I wrote titled "Even A Turtle....."

 

Also, in the February archive is an article titled "Before You Say I Do" which, if you are considering marriage, you may want to read first and to which you might want to give some serious thought! Many of the mistakes you may make can be avoided if you will ask yourself the questions in this article.  

 
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March 19, 2008, 3:29 pm PDT

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You have to remember the potential for damage.  Maybe you should ask yourself why you are getting into relationships with these women.  No one should hit.  While she is unlikely to knock you off balance, you could kill her with one blow.  I have yet to meet a man that couldn't "get away" and while 5% (according to the FBI Report to the Nation on Crime) of D.V. is women abusing men, I don't know a woman that would hit a man, or anyone.  This whole line of justification seems odd to me. 

 

I was working with an offender that kept making the same argument.  One day I ask him to stand and I ask if I could demonstrate.  I hauled off and hit him in the arm and hurt my wrist.  I then braced myself and told him to hit me.  "No," he replied.  When I ask him why he said because he would "really" hurt me.

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Line of justification?

(I am a married woman btw...)

If someone is attacking you physically, male or female, you do have a right to defend yourself reasonably. It doesn't matter WHO they are.
 
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March 19, 2008, 3:40 pm PDT

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As a former drug user involved with another drug user it's obvious to me that the lady (probably him too) is using meth. Her outburst', constant jabbering, movement and even the spots on her face point in that direction. I've seen it happen and, although I never got that bad, I had my moments when I just wanted to "shut her up" anyway I could.  
You know...that is a good point. Something did seem unnaturally manic.
 
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March 19, 2008, 4:04 pm PDT

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Dr Phil did not go far enough. At least Kevin admits & is willing/trying to change; I saw no remorse - not even a flicker - of responsibility in Heather . . . she has NO MORE right to spend time with Penelope than he does.

I agree.  Heather is no more of a mother than Kevin is a father.  If she moves out, she will probably be calling and driving to their house to provoke him.  The daughter should be placed with relatives.

 
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March 19, 2008, 4:06 pm PDT

I've been there!

Yes this reminds me so much of my relationship with my wife. One day I had had enough and there was only two ways this was going to end. One was for me to 'KILL' the mother of our child or leave and never look back. I was working as an adolesant counselor at the time and the following day my wife called and threatend to go to the media and accuse me of being an abusive to her. The thought of this terrified them and they had to let me go. 

 Here I was out of work and the toils of the previous two years were down the drain. Also here i was at 29 homeless, unemployed and the career I had chosen was now history. I had chosen to hang around hoping to get my family back when one day I went to where she moved and her Grandmother said she had left.

This was over 20 yrs ago and I have not seen my daughter since. Has anyone come to my assistance? NO,  this is a civil matter yet If I had taken her the police would have been on my BUTT immediatly.

  Since then I've had no idea how or where she is living. Is there more to this? Yes only NO ONE has bothered to contact me.  I first contacted the Montel show and he ignored my request for help so I went to Oprah yet as I figurered she is on the womans side and also ignored my reguest for help. Finally the Dr. Phil Show came to be and I thought your straight forward way would assist me in reuniting with a daughter I have not seen for over 20yrs. To my surprisre you to ignored my numerous requests for help.

No this is not going to be the last one! I will continue untill you decide I might be worthy of investigating. Untill then may you be well. Don


 
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March 19, 2008, 5:08 pm PDT

Men can also be abused in the relationship

Dr. Phil I am a 30 something male who was also in a relationship with a younger woman ( 8 yrs) and would like to express my sympathy for the man who is definetly feeling the age difference in the relationship.   I was also brought up to not hit girls, not to hit in anger no matter WHAT.  My mother is a spousal abuse cousellor and also a verteran of the cause.  I grew up knowing, living, breathing that violence within an intimate relationship is NEVER an acceptable action.  Further as a student nurse it is now mandatory to enquire, of women, if abusive types of acts are occuring in their relationship. 

 

My point is this - MEN CAN BE ABUSED - old school men used to growl and they would be allowed their space, the guy on the show, myself, all big men used to use this as an effective tool to get their space.  These days however the women in the relationship similar to that women on the show - though pretty - WAS A PSCYCHO-  troubled history and a junkie for negative attention, or the women who doesn't feel alive unless they have a burden, a cause that they have to throw all their emotional energy into -- MAINLY AN EXCUSE any excuse all excuses.  And like the mowen from the show will not give an opinion until forced but is usually qualified based on some other plausible OUT. AAAAAAGGGHHGHGHGHGHG

 

I identify with the man on the show, kinda large, but I have never struck my spouse out of anger, rage, or spite.  I have said every nasty thing under the sun, never toward my daughter, but i have also tried to teach my daughter to say bitch.  I have used the C word, the list can go on and on.  I have had to leave the house many times to calm a situation down and the police have been called to the house.  I feel why this man was frustrated and agree that the amount of love he may have for his family will ultimately be destroyed by a woman who does not know how to trust or be loved.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Why don't you do a show with the female as the abuser, your point of view that the man should be bloodied and bruised and half dead before they can consider never touching a woman.  THIS IS WRONG, what you do is give women, and daughters a free pass to hurt men in society with these comments and this issue is already something i will liken to being gay in the 50's - 60's.  I understand that your old-school upbringing and the TEXAS influence probably doesn't allow you to listen too to many whining men but I would like to say.  HOW many women have hit their spouses out of anger and gotten away with it.!!!!!!!!!!

 

This for me is a very touchy issue because what is good for the goose is good for the gander and I am nothing if not fair.  I have witnessed spousal abuse from all sides and the issue is very near and dear to me.  HELP SOME OF YOUR MALE WATCHERS by doing a show about female abusers, the excuses, the lies, the lack of trust, love and committment and what men can do to help their women change, or at least to see, understand and learn from their partners who are older.

 

Either that or do a show on the women who have children with men because their lives are hollow and empty and don't want to be lonely again.  I would really like to see the show, get some advice, something.

 

Thanks for listening. 

 

 

 

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