Topic : 03/19 A Model's Dangerous Marriage

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(Original Air Date: 10/31/07) It was the picture–perfect wedding -- a model marrying the handsome man she says treated her like gold. But after a few years of marriage, Kevin and Heather are in a dangerous relationship. They constantly yell, scream and fight, and their home life has gotten so bad that Heather says Kevin has picked her up by the throat, thrown her to the ground, held her at knifepoint and even taught their 3-year-old daughter to call her the C-word. You won't believe where their daughter ends up during the chaos! Kevin says Heather is the one who gets in his face, and she needs to stop being so controlling. He claims he's a changed man, but should she trust his behavior now? The Dr. Phil show installed cameras in their home. Why does Dr. Phil say the footage caught on tape is frightening? And, their moms weigh in on the situation. Should Heather spend another night under the same roof as Kevin? Her uncle offers her a safe place to rest, but will she take him up on the offer, or return home with the man she says could kill her or her daughter? Join the discussion.


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March 31, 2008, 1:07 pm PDT

Do we also hit Our Children w the Justification of Being Hit First?

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Line of justification?

(I am a married woman btw...)

If someone is attacking you physically, male or female, you do have a right to defend yourself reasonably. It doesn't matter WHO they are.

Oh, no ma'am.  Having worked with many men who batter I am well aware of not only justification and rationalization but this line of justification, "She hit me first."  As I said, "No one should hit," and that includes spanking.   Many women are arrested on domestic violence charges.  Men are usually capable of getting away, which is what they need to do.  I had to ask a battered woman to leave our shelter due to her violence.  She was an elderly woman and hit me with the broom she was holding.  As a middle aged woman I could have stood and fought this 60 something woman with the first grade justification of, "She hit me first." I had the capacity (good judgment and wisdom) to get away from her (running) and I did.  Can you imagine fighting an elderly woman or a child with the justification of she hit me first?  It is the same with any smaller or less physically able person and regardless of ability, no one should resort to physical violence if they can avoid it in any way.  Thank you so much for asking the question that so many use as an argument.

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March 31, 2008, 1:38 pm PDT

Wow, just like your marriage?

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This was a perfect example of the marriage I've been out of for four years with out the physical abuse from me. My ex seem to try every thing should could do to start a arguement would follow me out in the yard where ever to continue the fight even wake me up in the middle of the night. I've spent these 4 years getting back to who I am for a long period of time after seperation i regretted not hitting her but, Dr. Phil said it like it is there is never a reason to hit a woman, it is cowardly, chicken, and it takes away from who you really are. So my question is how does a person dare stick their neck out there again.

Wow, that must have been difficult. I am glad that you never hit your wife. You know the old saying, two wrongs don't make a right.

 

Was your ex-wife like Kevin or Heather?

 

Kevin - refused to let Heather leave, took her keys, yelled, cursed, screamed, hit, and choked Heather; accused Heather of cheating and getting pregnant by someone else, but the show proved the baby was his; admitted to adultery; woke Heather up from sleep by kicking her among manner other things

 

Heather - remained faithful, Kevin did not have to watch or help with the baby, Christian wife, cooked, cleaned, created & ran businesses for Kevin, and modeled - always brought baby with her everywhere including work (no childcare costs); Heather rarely curses, did not curse when her first daughter died during delivery, did not curse when she birth second child - natural delivery

 

In regards to Kevin and Heather, it is very hard to judge what is going on if the "topics" of the fighting were unknown. Kevin told Heather many negative things that happened in the past but that is just an example of him being abusive. How can you fight over someone being molested, they cannot change that nor can they cause that.

 

Do you believe in God and have Jesus as your savior? Pray to God about your wife and let him guide you rather than you selecting her yourself.  

 
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March 31, 2008, 3:08 pm PDT

I love NERDS too. How are rapists and abusers created & excused by society?

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I am confused, are you Heather?  Or do you know her personally?

And that scares me that you believe that rapists are just normal people who are taken over by evil...

That is SO cute. I love nerds too.

 

Why is it that children pick on the nerds? It is because the nerds know the "right" answers, behave in a "right" manner, and do their assignments the "right" way?

 

Yes, it is. It is jealousy that drives other people to be mean and cruel to some others people for no good reason at all. The light and goodness in some people causes dark people to want to kill and hurt them because if someone else does the right thing or studies or excels, then it convicts the person who is slacking or rebellious. (www.persecution.com)

 

I was a teacher and I loved "nerds" or great students which is what I called them (not nerds as it still hurts some children's feelings). I was also a "nerd" myself but I blended in pretty well. I wrote my first psychology term paper in college on "Masking and the Gifted Female."

 

James 4:1 - 6

1 Where do wars and fights come from among you? Do they not come from your desires for pleasure that war in your members?

2 You lust and do not have. You murder and covet and cannot obtain. You fight and war. Yet you do not have because you do not ask.

3 You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures.

4 Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

5 Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain, "The Spirit who dwells in us yearns jealousy"?

6 But he gives more grace. Therefore he says, "God resists the proud, But gives grace to the humble."

 

What do you believe that rapists are?

 

I believe that we are start as blank slates as children and thus "normal". I do not believe that people are born "rapists." I believe that the way "good" and "evil" as well as "right" and wrong" is handled by the parents and society is what creates them. The man who raped me "appeared" to be normal and successful. He was well honored and respected in the army. We were both getting our Master's degrees and it turned out that he had lusted after me since undergrad and he had forced both of his 2 long-term college girlfriends to have sex with him while they were dating. The latter young woman was from a small town and not educated and she married him after he raped me and she knew so.

 

Most rapists have a lot of emotional problems and a lot of it is from upbringing and the things that they listened to, watched, or read about. They were fed or consumed large quantities of violence. A lot of rapists have been abused themselves. I am NOT making excuses for abuse and rape. I am just stating where it comes from and it is evil. And I believe we all start the same as babies who need love, to be held, milk, and to be kept clean & dry. A lot of people feed and clothe their children but they do not hold and love them, this is a problem in our society.

 

We create problems as a society, when we accept the excuse "she provoked me" for abuse or "her skirt was too short" for rape.  

 

I know Heather personally, including bk - before Kevin.

 
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March 31, 2008, 3:41 pm PDT

Great point

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Oh, no ma'am.  Having worked with many men who batter I am well aware of not only justification and rationalization but this line of justification, "She hit me first."  As I said, "No one should hit," and that includes spanking.   Many women are arrested on domestic violence charges.  Men are usually capable of getting away, which is what they need to do.  I had to ask a battered woman to leave our shelter due to her violence.  She was an elderly woman and hit me with the broom she was holding.  As a middle aged woman I could have stood and fought this 60 something woman with the first grade justification of, "She hit me first." I had the capacity (good judgment and wisdom) to get away from her (running) and I did.  Can you imagine fighting an elderly woman or a child with the justification of she hit me first?  It is the same with any smaller or less physically able person and regardless of ability, no one should resort to physical violence if they can avoid it in any way.  Thank you so much for asking the question that so many use as an argument.

Amanda

Human & Animal Salvage & Restoration Project (T-4)

A lot of abusers will tell a cop that the woman hit them first, then the cop will tell the couple "I either have to take both of you away or you need to work it out now so we are not called again" here in Fl.

 

Another thing, some abusive men who are especially cunning and sneaky, will have "bad" cop friends who they can call to respond. And many abusiver are especially savvy by bringing these cops friends food or giving them cases of water or other beverages to drink in exchange for their "card" basically a "get out of jail free" card.

 

I was a teacher and a lot of teachers married cops at the school that I was last employed at. I know a lot of great cops too. Unfortunately a few bad ones can cause a lot of damage and harm.

 

When I worked with trouble youth (80%+ had been molested or raped), we taught a class about rape and what to do. If you are being attacked or raped on the streets, obviously you would want to size up the situation and probably scream and fight. I say "probably" because there are situations that you have to decide how risky it is, meaning one must choose to be just raped, raped and beaten, raped and stabbed, or killed. It depends on where the attack is, who the attacker is, and what kind of weapon they have. It was not the most pleasant topic to teach.

 

And of course, if you are being robbed, if someone breaks in your house, or if someone is hurting your child, then most people would defend themselves and their family.

 

All public school teachers and nursery workers are expected to have a lot of self control. This means to NEVER hit your students or push them or cuss at them or verbally abuse them (which means name calling is never acceptable - if you want to teach it, you must live it), no matter what they are doing. Even if they hit you, you cannot hit them back. One time at a non-profit school where I worked, I stepped in between two students because one innocent student about to be punched by a trouble maker. I used myself as a shield because I did not want to see the innocent student strike back in self defense because our policy was to expel both students in the fight and I knew that the fighting student was trying to get the innocent student expelled. In that case, the fighter was removed.

 

And if educators and nursery workers, mental health practitioners, nurses and doctors, therapists, and many other professionals are able to withstand dealing with people or children all day long who might be immature, childish, annoying, even irrational, instable, and mentally ill WITHOUT abusing them, then surely a husband who only spends a small amount of time with his wife, in compared to the hours put to his job, watching tv/movies, napping, playing sports, and going out with friends should be able to control himself.  

 

Proverbs 14:16b - 17 But a fool rages and is self confident. A quick tempered man acts foolishly, And a man of wicked intentions is hated.

 

Proverbs 16:32 He who is slow to anger is better than the mighty, And he who rules his spirit than he who takes a city.

 

Proverbs 25:28 Whoever has no rule over his own spirit, Is like a city broken down, without walls.

 

Proverbs 29:9 If a wise man contends with a foolish man, Whether the fools rages or laughs, there is no peace.

 
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March 31, 2008, 4:06 pm PDT

03/19 A Model's Dangerous Marriage

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That is SO cute. I love nerds too.

 

Why is it that children pick on the nerds? It is because the nerds know the "right" answers, behave in a "right" manner, and do their assignments the "right" way?

 

Yes, it is. It is jealousy that drives other people to be mean and cruel to some others people for no good reason at all. The light and goodness in some people causes dark people to want to kill and hurt them because if someone else does the right thing or studies or excels, then it convicts the person who is slacking or rebellious. (www.persecution.com)

 

I was a teacher and I loved "nerds" or great students which is what I called them (not nerds as it still hurts some children's feelings). I was also a "nerd" myself but I blended in pretty well. I wrote my first psychology term paper in college on "Masking and the Gifted Female."

 

James 4:1 - 6

1 Where do wars and fights come from among you? Do they not come from your desires for pleasure that war in your members?

2 You lust and do not have. You murder and covet and cannot obtain. You fight and war. Yet you do not have because you do not ask.

3 You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures.

4 Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

5 Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain, "The Spirit who dwells in us yearns jealousy"?

6 But he gives more grace. Therefore he says, "God resists the proud, But gives grace to the humble."

 

What do you believe that rapists are?

 

I believe that we are start as blank slates as children and thus "normal". I do not believe that people are born "rapists." I believe that the way "good" and "evil" as well as "right" and wrong" is handled by the parents and society is what creates them. The man who raped me "appeared" to be normal and successful. He was well honored and respected in the army. We were both getting our Master's degrees and it turned out that he had lusted after me since undergrad and he had forced both of his 2 long-term college girlfriends to have sex with him while they were dating. The latter young woman was from a small town and not educated and she married him after he raped me and she knew so.

 

Most rapists have a lot of emotional problems and a lot of it is from upbringing and the things that they listened to, watched, or read about. They were fed or consumed large quantities of violence. A lot of rapists have been abused themselves. I am NOT making excuses for abuse and rape. I am just stating where it comes from and it is evil. And I believe we all start the same as babies who need love, to be held, milk, and to be kept clean & dry. A lot of people feed and clothe their children but they do not hold and love them, this is a problem in our society.

 

We create problems as a society, when we accept the excuse "she provoked me" for abuse or "her skirt was too short" for rape.  

 

I know Heather personally, including bk - before Kevin.

I know Heather personally, including bk - before Kevin.

 

 

This is your very first post.....

 

You are SO LUCKY to be able to respond after your show.

 

I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND how grueling the process is.

 

Unfortunately, lots of people do gets lots of enjoyment from watching other people's pain though. Carnal human nature seems to be to watch other people get hurt to either tell yourself your own pain is not so bad or to take the focus off of their own boring life. They can live vicariously through guests.

 

Heather - another guest of a previous show -  my husband snagged me by lying about his past too & did many of the same things to his exs as he did to me; however, he was not so willing to COMPLETELY admit it before the show or during the show. If someone is completely admitting things at least they are closer to healing.

 

 

Maybe you should start admitting some things so you, too, can begin healing.

 
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April 1, 2008, 11:03 pm PDT

03/19 A Model's Dangerous Marriage

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I know Heather personally, including bk - before Kevin.

 

 

This is your very first post.....

 

You are SO LUCKY to be able to respond after your show.

 

I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND how grueling the process is.

 

Unfortunately, lots of people do gets lots of enjoyment from watching other people's pain though. Carnal human nature seems to be to watch other people get hurt to either tell yourself your own pain is not so bad or to take the focus off of their own boring life. They can live vicariously through guests.

 

Heather - another guest of a previous show -  my husband snagged me by lying about his past too & did many of the same things to his exs as he did to me; however, he was not so willing to COMPLETELY admit it before the show or during the show. If someone is completely admitting things at least they are closer to healing.

 

 

Maybe you should start admitting some things so you, too, can begin healing.

Seriously...wow.

Heather, lots of people post on the boards after being guests, no point in trying to hide it. It's pretty clear.
 
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April 23, 2008, 1:27 am PDT

Where are you Dr. Phil?

 

This guy is a monster. If you don't leave him Heather he will kill you. Dr. Phil failed you.

And, what has Dr. Phil done to save your life after you were on the show?

 
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June 19, 2008, 1:21 pm PDT

03/19 A Model's Dangerous Marriage

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What makes you so hateful? You could not possibly be a Christian and have created that response to a woman trying to deal with domestic violence.

 

This woman and Heather BOTH WORK!!! Neither said they want someone to support themselves.

 

Show mercy and you will receive mercy. When you finally need some mercy, you are going to be bankrupt from your lack of mercy to these two women.

 

People in or leaving a domestic violence situation do not need someone hateful spiting venom on them. What is your problem?

 

And once again the show said that Heather was a model so she probably won't need YOUR tax money.

 

Are you okay with YOUR tax payer money being used to clean up the mess that abusers like Kevin and this woman's husband leave behind?

 

Are you an abuser? You sound like you are berating on this woman who is doing the best she can.

Who are you to judge who is, and isn't, a Christian? You don't want us judging Dr Phil's guests? Then, quit judging everyone who posts something you don't agree with.
 
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October 2, 2008, 2:34 pm PDT

Judging without knowing the truth is a waste

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Who are you to judge who is, and isn't, a Christian? You don't want us judging Dr Phil's guests? Then, quit judging everyone who posts something you don't agree with.

Judging without knowing the truth is a waste of time.

 

And your time is much more valuable than that, right?

 

Because I believe that your time is much more valuable than that, my email is in my profile. Drop me a line if you have any questions rather than arguing about some hearsay or gossip. My friends, family, and those who have worked for me or know me are wonderful people. It hurts them to read & see & hear slander.

 

God bless.

 

"the Truth will set you free"

 

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