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Topic : 06/12 Teacher Sex Scandal, Part 1

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 03:01:39 pm
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(Original Air Date: 11/01/07) Dr. Phil explores a disturbing trend: Female teachers engaging in sex acts with their underage male students. The number of accusations has doubled in the past five years. You've probably heard of famous cases like Mary Kay Letourneau, and Debra LaFave and the recent case of a teacher in Southern California, Meredith Johnson Vincent, who was arrested on suspicion of having a sexual relationship with a 14-year-old boy. Dr. Phil meets one teacher who has chosen to fight back. Joelle Ogletree was a respected high school French teacher until she was accused of sexual misconduct by three of her students. Find out what goes through a mother's head as she faces 160 years in prison. Plus, the Dr. Phil show speaks with one of the boys who says the sexual improprieties absolutely did happen and claims he passed a polygraph examination. When he agrees to take another test for Dr. Phil, what do his answers reveal? Joelle has been banned from even volunteering at her daughter's school because of the accusations. Should she be allowed back in the classroom? Watch and decide: Do you believe her ... or her students? Tell us what you think!

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November 2, 2007, 10:57 am PDT

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This is by far the most honest post I"ve seen on here to date.

 

Here's mine. For the last 38 years, I've told no family, no friends, no one, about the last six months of my senior year. Not even my late wife knew about it for the entire 11 years we were together. This persecuted teacher bears a striking resemblance to my former Business Law teacher of so many years ago, which gave me a jolt, to be sure. After 38 years, I got to thinking it was safe to finally tell my story. Think what you want. I wouldn't change a thing. I loved her and she loved me, and it hurt me terribly for some time after it ended.

 

I graduated in 1969. Let me tell you, those were the days. I wasn't a virgin, having lost it at 16 to a former classmate. It didn't turn me into a drunk, an axe murder, a druggie, or make me lose my mind. I didn't scream "Rape!," and I wouldn't demean myself by ever saying I was a "victim," unless one could say I was a victim of a wonderful short time in my life.

 

Could my favorite teacher have lost her career? Back then, I don't really think so. If we had been discovered, there would have been more of a stink over the 7-year age difference. Trust me.

 

She didn't seduce me, by  the way. I pursued HER, relentlessly. I never let up. I was 17, over the age of consent, hornier than a 4-balled tomcat, nice looking, and in great shape. I wanted her in the worst way, and I wasn't going to stop until I DID get her. And no, she wasn't married. We were also very discreet. She, at the time, was only 24, no family, shy, lonely, and a drop-dead gorgeous knockout. I soon found out that I was her first. Despite the age difference at the time, I have always regretted letting her get away. It left me with some very fond memories.

 

By the way, it wasn't because I was flunking the class, either, and it ended when I graduated, after 6 previous months of pure heaven. I never saw her again after my senior year, and I still think of her from time to time.

 

If I could go back in time, would I do things the same way?

 

In a New York second. People weren't as paraniod, or as quick to call little Johnny a victim back then.

 

But what these punks have done to this woman is unbelieveably cruel. I hope she sues them into the next century once the dust settles. There's a difference in what happened to me, and NO, I don't feel guilty now, then, or ever. How these punks LIED up to the point of wrecking her career needs to be addressed with serious rettribution.

 

I wish that pretty lady the best of luck.

 

That's a really sweet story.  An old lover of mine also dated his French teacher back in 1966 during his senior year - she was young and lovely.  He went to Vietnam the following year and rained hell down on earth as a forward observer who radioed the pilots where to send the napalm. 

 

Things were different back then, eh?

 

Everything's so lawyered-up now. 

 

 

 
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November 2, 2007, 11:56 am PDT

Not New to Me!

I was the victim of a male teacher many, many years ago. I thought I was "in love."  Nothing happened until after I graduated high school, but I was so naive as to believe I was the only girl he had groomed for his purposes. He was a sex addict who preyed on young girls. It makes me sick to think that he is now retired with full benefits!
 
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November 2, 2007, 12:06 pm PDT

I Don't Buy It

I am an acitivist for sexually abused children and for adult survivors of childhood abuse.  It has only been a relatively short time that true victims have had the encouragement to break silence and to be heard.  That's a positive.  Sadly, with each evolution of progress, comes the misuse...as for every action there is an opposite but equal reaction.  I do not believe that woman is guilty...there is no evidence, and the ages of the boys make it so that would have knowledge of sex acts, certainly sufficient to describe them.  It is so sad that those who really were violated will be diminished in their credibility by these accusations, which I believe to be, false.  In today's world, no one should allow themselves to be in a position where they are vulnerable.  Back in the day, it was nothing to take a kid for a ride home, or pick up a friend's child to give him/her a "lift".  My friends' parents all did it...as did mine...and nothing happened.....it was just what you did to be a good friend or neighbor.  Now, you're crazy if you do!  There are mean kids, as well as bad adults...a little white lie, a little locker room bragging....it happens...I went to school, and heard what some boys said...but years later admitted it was teenaged b/s...This sounds as if it began as a big thing over a hot teacher went way too far, and to recant would bring penalties, so the lies continue...no one wants to be punished for their bad behavior. 

No one hates to see children exploited more than I, but to be very honest, this story ...well I don't buy it.  If I'm wrong, my apologies, my mea culpas.  Lie detectors?  I cannot put guilt or innocense in the hands of a machine.  My doctor has told me of a number of inaccurate E.K.G.'s...some gave false senses of security to the patients, others scared perfectly healthy people to death!  Machines are not definitive, they are not admitted in court, for that very reason.

 
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November 2, 2007, 12:34 pm PDT

HMMMMM

 Lets see she's accused, one boy retracted his statement because he said he lied about it, and now a second has been proven deceptive. I have friends who are teachers and are rather attractive and I can't tell you how many times I have heard them tell me of male students making threats of spreading sexual lies about them if they didn't give them a passing grade or to try and get out of something.  One friend has quit teaching entirely due to no actions taken by her reports of the threats and I for one changed my college major over stories like this. It freaking sick!! Stories like these are telling the students they can lie, and get away with it. I am glad that this teacher is fighting for what so far two out of three have managed to destroy. I just hope today's show doesn't ruin my view of this particular teacher.
 
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November 2, 2007, 1:03 pm PDT

SHE DID IT!

C'mon...it is sooo obvious that this teacher was up to no good otherwise she would not be engaged in writing "ENCRYPTED NOTES" to her male students.  HELLO!  The meaning of encrypted is 'secretive'.  WHAT DOES SHE HAVE TO HIDE?  A lot, clearly.
 
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November 2, 2007, 1:03 pm PDT

11/01 Teacher Sex Scandal, Pt. 1

I don't know which person was telling the truth here-- I don't put much faith in lie detector tests, particularly in this case where one of the boy's test concluded "truth" and the other was "deception."

What does strike me is that the teacher seemed smug and very strange on the show today. Why didn't she ever look him in the eyes and ask him why he wasn't telling the truth? Why on earth was she sending little teen-style notes to him in class? Why was she inviting her students to her home for any reason? All the teachers I know are very careful to keep the students far away from their private lives.

I've heard psychologists talk about women teachers who have been convicted of having sex with their students and they always say that the women were trying to re-live their own high-school years, and so talk in the kid's language, dress the way they do and try to be part of the popular crowd.

This woman today seemed to have done that and to have lacked that proper distance between herself and her students. Even in high-school, there should be an adult to child perspective from the teacher and I felt it was really lacking from this woman. She may or may not have broken trust with the parents of her community and her employers, and had sex with her students, but in any case, she seems far too immature to be teaching.
 
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November 2, 2007, 1:12 pm PDT

Be 4 real

1st of all lets get this out of the way...I pity the old woman who comes sniffing behind my boys... Now I got that out. I remember how boys would lie and said they did "xyz" with this girl or that one. But to lie about a teacher and put her career in jeopardy is just plain ornery. 
 
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November 2, 2007, 1:19 pm PDT

liar, liar pants on fire!

i think that Matt started lying about his teacher in school and now he doesn't know how to come clean. his life should be ruined and torn apart like what he did to his teacher!
 
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November 2, 2007, 1:27 pm PDT

Disgusted

I cannot believe that these little punks are getting away with this. I don't believe anything these boys say. Unfortunately they are not going to " get it" until they are older. They cannot possibly understand what this horrible lie has done to this woman.  Her entire life is destroyed. Even if she is found not guilty, it will always stay with her. She's always going to be known as a sexual preditor. I feel terrible for her and her family. Maybe if one polygraph came back the other way ,I may have to seriously consider it, but come on all of them are deceptive. The school should at least take her side until she is proven guilty. These boys need to be held seriously accountable . They need to see some jail time to teach them that they cannot just destroy someones life and get away with it. It's a stupid teenage prank that is out of hand and they simply are in to deep to tell the truth now. But God knows and they have to live with this forever.
 
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November 2, 2007, 1:39 pm PDT

11/01 Teacher Sex Scandal, Pt. 1

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1st of all lets get this out of the way...I pity the old woman who comes sniffing behind my boys... Now I got that out. I remember how boys would lie and said they did "xyz" with this girl or that one. But to lie about a teacher and put her career in jeopardy is just plain ornery. 
If in fact they did lie it is a little more than "ornery"  THEY RUINED HER LIFE! 
 
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