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Topic : 06/12 Teacher Sex Scandal, Part 1

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 03:01:39 pm
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(Original Air Date: 11/01/07) Dr. Phil explores a disturbing trend: Female teachers engaging in sex acts with their underage male students. The number of accusations has doubled in the past five years. You've probably heard of famous cases like Mary Kay Letourneau, and Debra LaFave and the recent case of a teacher in Southern California, Meredith Johnson Vincent, who was arrested on suspicion of having a sexual relationship with a 14-year-old boy. Dr. Phil meets one teacher who has chosen to fight back. Joelle Ogletree was a respected high school French teacher until she was accused of sexual misconduct by three of her students. Find out what goes through a mother's head as she faces 160 years in prison. Plus, the Dr. Phil show speaks with one of the boys who says the sexual improprieties absolutely did happen and claims he passed a polygraph examination. When he agrees to take another test for Dr. Phil, what do his answers reveal? Joelle has been banned from even volunteering at her daughter's school because of the accusations. Should she be allowed back in the classroom? Watch and decide: Do you believe her ... or her students? Tell us what you think!

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November 9, 2007, 1:03 pm PST

She's hiding something!


Matt may not be telling the whole truth, but I don't think she is either.  She didn't  defend herself enough when she  had him right in front of her.  I think Dr. Phil should have given her a polygraph as well.   I also think it's weird that she married her high school teacher. 
 
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November 9, 2007, 2:27 pm PST

11/01 Teacher Sex Scandal, Pt. 1

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Some of the opinions stated here are about teachers molesting students, in general, not necessarily whether this teacher was guilty or not.

 

Dr. Phil stated that he was appalled that she was not more offended while watching the portrayals and testamonies of the first accuser. I disagree with him. She is beyond her initial reaction (hurt and in disbelief) and has gone into anger and defense mode. I would feel the same way she does at this point. So if she sounds like a lawyer who is making her points she is definitely in that stage.

 

It is very sad that this could be possible. That the school, although trying to look out for the students, moved so quickly and were so convinced these boys were telling the truth. It throws a whole new perspective on accusers and victims. If these boys are not telling the truth and it can be proven they need to have a severe punishment. They don't get to go around and ruin professionals' lives IF it is not true.

 

Most people would be against it but I say put cameras in the classrooms and have no teacher/student contact outside of the classroom. Period.

Thank you for expressing my thoughts about Dr. Phil's reaction.  I totally agree with you after having been through several life altering challenges.  You become almost numb to the pain.  She is now in the clear her name mode.  What can these boys possibly say now that she hasn't  reacted to in the past?  I thought she handled it the only way she could now.  Seeking to prove the holes in his story.  She's done all of the crying and declarations of innocence.  What did that get her so far?  Now all three of these men children have been shown to be lying.

 

Dr. Phil really came off badly with his comment today.  You see -- no one is perfect.  Not even Dr. Phil.  You could see this young man squirming, his Adam's apple jumping , and his eyes darting back and forth when someone challenged his lies.  Most of us firgured that out  before we heard of the deceptive results of his test.  Why didn't Dr. Phil -- he's the trained professional.  I guess he felt he was better equipped to correct her grammar.  To make matters worse toward the end of the show, he turned to the young, confused man and talked of his frustration.  Oh boy...I bet he's frustrated.  He and his friends did not look too good after the show.

 

Dr. Phil, I personally know a male teacher (I'm a teacher also although in Canada) who was setup by a female student.  He lost everything, including his wife.  Years later the student found God and confessed that she had been upset by a failing grade and had totally made everything up. 

 

 

 
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November 9, 2007, 2:32 pm PST

I agree

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Matt may not be telling the whole truth, but I don't think she is either.  She didn't  defend herself enough when she  had him right in front of her.  I think Dr. Phil should have given her a polygraph as well.   I also think it's weird that she married her high school teacher. 

I agree I dont think alot happend that the students were accusing her of but I think at least somthin happend. N she wouldnt take a lying test......I found that odd!!!! Pry cuz she knows she aint 100% Innocent!

 

 

 
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November 9, 2007, 5:15 pm PST

11/01 Teacher Sex Scandal, Pt. 1

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I agree I dont think alot happend that the students were accusing her of but I think at least somthin happend. N she wouldnt take a lying test......I found that odd!!!! Pry cuz she knows she aint 100% Innocent!

 

 

what bother me is that the teacher did not take a lie detector test,what was she afraid of if she says she is innocent. i dont believe matt either, but something is not right. if that was me i would take it to prove my innocence.
 
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November 9, 2007, 7:46 pm PST

The kid failed

The kid failed the lie detector test.  He's a liar , flat out.  Maybe she had the hots for him, maybe she flirted and  possilby kissed him.  I don't believe it went further than that.  He was a proven liar.  Period!
 
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November 9, 2007, 8:15 pm PST

Common Sense

I hate to be judgemental, but this woman seems a little too stupid to teach children.  I understand she could be accused falsely, but to play these games with her students and write coded cryptic notes makes me believe she is hidding something.  Also, if you are an educator who has been accused of these things, you should understand why the school board does not feel comfortable with you volunteering at your childs school.  Volunteerism with children is not a right.  I also would like to know why she was riding around with male students in her car.  She may need to find another profession because I have a feeling she will end up in a similiar situation again if allowed back in the classroom because she does not see the error in her judgement. 
 
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November 9, 2007, 8:19 pm PST

Teacher Sex Scandal

I just finished watching the "Teacher sex scandal show" tonight and can't help but admire the teacher for standing up for her rights. So many of us would wilt under such pressure from the "community" . Bravo to her and her husband.
My hope is that she gets her job back and she sues the school board so she can retire for the rest of her life. In addition the students should be punished as adults, and be responsible for once in their lives for their actions.
 
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November 9, 2007, 8:19 pm PST

Why

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Thank you for expressing my thoughts about Dr. Phil's reaction.  I totally agree with you after having been through several life altering challenges.  You become almost numb to the pain.  She is now in the clear her name mode.  What can these boys possibly say now that she hasn't  reacted to in the past?  I thought she handled it the only way she could now.  Seeking to prove the holes in his story.  She's done all of the crying and declarations of innocence.  What did that get her so far?  Now all three of these men children have been shown to be lying.

 

Dr. Phil really came off badly with his comment today.  You see -- no one is perfect.  Not even Dr. Phil.  You could see this young man squirming, his Adam's apple jumping , and his eyes darting back and forth when someone challenged his lies.  Most of us firgured that out  before we heard of the deceptive results of his test.  Why didn't Dr. Phil -- he's the trained professional.  I guess he felt he was better equipped to correct her grammar.  To make matters worse toward the end of the show, he turned to the young, confused man and talked of his frustration.  Oh boy...I bet he's frustrated.  He and his friends did not look too good after the show.

 

Dr. Phil, I personally know a male teacher (I'm a teacher also although in Canada) who was setup by a female student.  He lost everything, including his wife.  Years later the student found God and confessed that she had been upset by a failing grade and had totally made everything up. 

 

 

 Why didn't she ever take a lie detector test?
 
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November 9, 2007, 8:30 pm PST

You should be ashamed

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I have to make a comment to this entire subject in general. With the comment, I mention MY story and experience in this subject.

For about 3 years, I, myself was involved with one of my teachers. This, of course, was a HIGH SCHOOL teacher. There is a BIG difference,in my eyes, when it comes to a teacher being "involved" with a student in, let's say a middle school and a teacher being "involved" with let's say a high school aged student. I am sad to mention that the reality is a student in high school, especially a 16 to 18 yr old, is fully aware of the choices being made.

At the time I began a "relationship" with this man, I was of age and aware of my decision in getting involved with him. I was not a CHILD being persuaded by an ADULT to be sexually involved with him.That wasn't even part of the relationship until just about a year. I, MYSELF, made that decision and was fully aware of the consequences, we both were.

Alot of these "young boys" are being put in a victim "pedestal" as if they were taken advantage of. ( I am specifically speaking about the high school scandals) These teachers are being persecuted as criminals as if they RAPED these students, forced them to do something they didnt want to do. That makes me angry. You know what, I WAS raped, and there was a HUGE difference between that situation and MY decision to have a relationship with this man. It is my opinion and/but I speak in behalf of the student, not the parent, not the teacher, but the student. I KNOW WHAT IT IS TO REALLY BE IN THAT SITUATION AND KNOW THE REALITY. I AM NOT A VICTIM OF THIS MAN! I am not a victim because I was and am fully aware of the choice I made to continue in that relationship for 3 years even after  I did graduate. Until about 6 or 7n mth ago.

 

 

P.S. although I am not proud of the fact that he is married and DID make me fully aware of that from the beginning, I do not regret those 3 yrs, no matter how much hurt I felt, feel, now that it is over. I wouldn't take it back. 

That's whats wrong with our youth. You should be ashamed. HE WAS MARRIED  No morals
 
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November 9, 2007, 8:36 pm PST

OJ

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Think about it, if she were guilty of doing this, why would she be still fighting this battle and putting herself and her husband through this hell?  You would think she would be happy to get off with a mis-trial, not argue that she wanted to go through another trial.  

 

If a guilty person gets off on any type of technicality, they don't usually still fight to go through it again, because maybe this time they will be found guilty and go to prison!  She would be thrilled to get away with it and try to drop the topic ASAP, not putting herself up to more scrutiny by going on national TV.  How many murders who get off go on TV saying "I want another trial so they can find me guilty this time"?  It just doesn't make sense to me.  Yet, I seem to be the only one noticing this.

 

 

 

 

OJ
 
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