Topic : 06/13 Teacher Sex Scandal, Part 2

I graduated shortly before all this went down.  But my friends were still at the school and my mom works for the school district and thats how I found out about it.  I didn't know anything about the Dr. Phil show until a couple of days before it aired on t.v. 

You are completely wrong on this. When you are a victim of abuse you remember in minute and complete detail EXACTLY what happened, from the smell of their breath, to the crack on the dashboard,  to any music that may be playing, etc.

 

Fact is Matt was also saying things no 16 year old would say, like I don't want her teaching anyone in my family. HUH? That sounds more like adult words put in the mouth of a youngster. Matt didn't even get it that he had accused her of paeodophilia. HUH? What did you think you had accused her of Matt????

 

MORE than passing strange someone who was going to take this secret to his grave told his buddies and also wrote a poem about it and read it out to his class as one of his assignments. HELLO people.  Do you honestly believe that? I sure don't. He was bragging as do all cons.

 

It was laughable to see that indignant look of self righteousnous on his face when he brought up the fact that Joelie had married her high school teacher. That is definitely community condemnation, that came from the ADULTS involved.  And what does that have to do with anything?

 

Matt is so zealous in his efforts to show that he is NOT a liar, that he even lies about things that most all of us have told lies about in our lives.

 

The worst part of this is once you are falsely accused it doesn't matter how innocent you are there will always be a percentage of people who adhere to that BS adage, where there is smoke there is fire.

 

Shame on you Matt, your family, your community, your school board.

 

ps: it is always a good idea to check out which other posts people have written to the Dr. Phil message board. Just go into a posters profile and you can see every message they have ever written to this board.

 

 

 

This is absolutely ridiculous.  I, too, believe that these boys are lying, with them it seems the cool thing to do.  Ruining someones life just because they are ashamed to admit it did not happen is unexcusable. 

When abuse happens stories do not change, people remember every minscule thing that happened, almost as if it is being lived again each time they tell it.  These boys can't keep a straight face or story.  Saying they are just now coming forward because they have cousins, neices and nephews getting ready to go to that school is a bunch of bull.  Blaming the teacher for keeping it going is so wrong, she's only keeping it going so she can clear her name.

 

I am not naive, we all know this has happened many times before, this time I just don't think it did. 

What is the relationship with the parents like?  Did the kids not feel like they could go to them when this supposedly happened?  I have heard that victims are ashamed and won't usually tell, but these kids never said they had been threatened if they told so why didn't they? 

 

I have a middle schooler who will be in high school next year, an elementary schooler who will be in middle school and one still in elementary school, I tell them repeatedly, if someone hurts, touches or threatens you no matter what the person says about what will happen if you tell, hurt your brothers/sisters, parents or you, you tell us anyway.  We are the adults and we will handle it, that's what we are here for, kids are never meant to handle adult situations or make adult decisions.  Tell no matter what!!!!  I hope if, GOD forbid, this ever happens to our children, they trust us enough to tell.

 

 

Why do people keep saying she was found Not Guilty?? This woman was LUCKY enough to have a mistrial and this being such a SMALL town--none of us know what led to that boy dropping his charges and recanting--or the influence that Joelle's own family may have or could have played a part in that boy recanting--who knows...but I think she was VERY lucky it was a mistrial...and she is now trying to capitalize on it--I think it would have been best to  be quiet and let it go instead of try to make a buck off of it--especially given that she is SOOOO NOOOOT INNOCENT in this....She is her own worst enemy in this case--the boys might not be able to prove she did it with their lie detector tests but Joelle gives herself away and it's CLEAR. I would not have that woman in my child's Sunday school class MUCH LESS in his classroom--she is a predator and probably the town hoochie mama and I think she thrives on that type of attention. DR PHIL WHY DID YOU NOT QUESTION HER RELATIONSHIP WITH HER OWN HS TEACHER?? THEY MARRIED WITHIN 1 YEAR OF HER GRADUATION.

WHY WERE THERE SUCH DOUBLE STANDARDS ON THIS SHOW---WHY WOULD ANYONE BE ALLOWED TO SIT UP THERE, WHEN THEIR CREDIBILITY IS SO OBVIOUSLY LACKING AND THEN CALL THE SHOTS ABOUT NOT TAKING A LIE DETECTOR TEST...She treated the audience like idiots--expecting everyone to take her at face value and trust what she is saying--and she spoon fed lies--obviously--she was DEFINITELY lying about what those codes meant and even Dr. Phil pointed out that, her explanation of what they meant wouldn't make sense for someone that's has also taught English--she taught English and French.

 

For those that support her sooo whole heartedly, invite her to teach at your child's school--she won't teach at mine--I'd move my kids if she were hired on.

 

SICK SICK SICK and I wish Dr. Phil had taken charge and not let her call the shots.

 I only watched part 2, so I may have missed it. Did she take a polygraph test? If so, what were the results? If not, why not?

Wendy

Protect our teenage boys, what about the reputation of this Teacher.

Confused, no, he and his teenage friends are liars, simple as that.

No one is inocent in your eyes, must be smoke, right. 

Ha, shame on

those to blind to see the truth when presented to them.

Well said! I completely agree.  Matt and the other boy have absolutely no reason to continue with their claim so publicly if it were not true.  Joelle implied that the boys motive for lying is for bragging rights, or their trying to look like Don Juan's?  Let's get real, if that were the case they could have bragged about being with the captain of the high school cheerleading team or many others for that matter.  What strikes me is that Matt did NOT seem proud of himself and in fact took full blame as did the other boy!  If they had been girls their integrity would not have been scrutinized so closely and that teacher would have been put under the jail if not run out of town.  In fact, I beleive that because of the fact that they blame themselves and have expressed a sense of guilt for the deception perpetrated on her husband that perhaps that is the deception that was detected in the lie dectector test.  Joelle wanted to throw up the victory flag when the boys failed the lie detector test.  Let's not forget that they took and passed previous lie detector tests as well, and they were willing to retake another test, however Joelle did not choose to do the same.  Come on Joelle, "what's good for the goose is good for the gander".  Also, Joelle did not explain any of her suspicious behavior such as why would a teacher make peronal phone calls to any of her students to help move furniture?  Why not call a relative, or a neighbor, or another adult friend?  She was so talented at throwing up smoke screens about the major flaws in Matt's story like how long the kiss lasted.  How is that deceptive?  First of all, a french kiss that lasted 2 seconds or five minutes is still a french kiss.  Second of all anyone who has ever been in a tense frightening, exciting, uncomfortable situation knows that a few minutes feels like a very long time,  and we're asking a young man to remember back six years to his recollection of time.  Isn't whether something was a long time or short time rather relative?  Second of all, there is no teacher in her right mind that would ever send a coded note to a student.  Matt's interpreation of those letters were much more believable- he had no other way of knowing what those letters meant.  And a teacher does not send I.A.S.S (I am so sorry) in a code to a student.  Joelle looked nervous explaining that lie.  It didn't fool me and I certainly hope it didn't fool Dr. Phil.  Joelle looked smug and she is hiding behind a smoke screen of respectability -a wife, a mother, a teacher.  Those young boys were victimized by a trusted teacher and she's whining about her reputation??!!  If a story doesn't make sense it's probably not true, and her story does not make sense.  Shame on her and shame on people who blame the victims.  I feel sorry for her husband, he is being played for a fool.

 

Matt, I'm proud of you for the courage it took to face your abuser.  You were not responsible!

The school will always believe the student and parents before the teacher. It is usually a case of justice gone wrong with the teacher said to be "guilty" and said teacher must be proven innocent. A sad statement on our society today. Of course I do not think children should be abused in any way and they are the most precious gift we have. But I also had a situation happen when I was teaching. I am female and had two female students "gang" up against me and go to their parents with concocted stories which were taken directly to the school board. They were not sexual in nature but still untrue. Again, as in Joelle's case, the students were listened to together. The parents did not follow protocol by first approaching me or even directing their concerns to the principal. How embarrassing for me to have these lies told in front of the entire school board which allows an audience of the public. The students were unhappy with the work I had assigned and disliked me; that was the bottom line. I felt the school should have stood behind me because I had taught there a number of years and had an excellent record. A number of parents were extremely upset by the situtation. Most likely I could have had a legal case but who would want to continue to teach in a school with that environment? I decided to retire early and never go back in the classroom. I think that it is the school's loss as the subject I taught has one third the enrollment since I have been gone. I am shocked Joelle wants her job back in that community. If I were in her place I would discuss a family move with her husband for a fresh start.

I agree with you totally. Dr. Phil was very tough on her. After years of battling a situation like this, I would assume you must get a very tough outer shell in order to survive. Everyone is overly judgemental........even Dr. Phil!

Your school experiences sound like something out of a Charles Dickens novel.  The teacher on the Dr. Phil show, in my opinion, has not been abusive with her students.  Yet she has been villified by the entire community and school system.   I believe she was unjustly targeted by these high school students and the facts, so far, seem to bear this out.  Joelle has been the one abused, not the other way around.