Topic : 06/13 Teacher Sex Scandal, Part 2

There is supposed to be a boundary between student and teacher. It is the job of the teacher to enforce that boundary. She started her relationship with her husband when she was a child. The only emotions she showed was in defense of her own marriage to her teacher. She said "Does that make me a pedophile?" Yes, she has been defending that relationship. She needs to be questioned about that. What grade does her husband teach? SHE IS A LIAR. SHE CROSSED THE LINE. DID PEOPLE NOT LEARN FROM THE CATHOLIC PRIEST CHILD MOLESTATION CASES. SHE HAD SLEEPOVERS!!!

NEXT, THE TEACHER=KIDNAPPER WILL BE PREGNANT AND BE ALLOWED TO MARRY THE 13 YR. OLD CHILD RAPE VICTIM WHEN HE IS 18. RAPE IS ABOUT POWER AND TEACHERS HAVE POWER.

The real issue is that society looks at women as children. Dr. Phil would quickly say that children can't consent. Joelle was raped and now she rapes chilxdren. SLEEPOVERS? THERE IS A BOUNDARY AND IT CAN'T BE CROSSED.

Dr. Phil and others have commented that Joelle's reactions seemed atypical.  How much stock should we place in this?  Watch Major League Baseball.  On a critical play, some managers storm out of the dugout and get right in the umpire's face; others, calmly walk out and seem to have a non adversarial discussion.  Differences in style and temperament.  Nonetheless, one would believe both are upset.  It simply appears the manager with the volatile demeanor is more upset, which may not be the case.

I had a friend who recently died of ALS.  His wife became seemingly nonchalant when talking about the disease and its progress.  We know her to be a deeply caring person and devoted wife.  But she had been through so much that she simply couldn't lead her daily life in a sea of tears.  Given her virtually photographic recall of the court transcripts, Joelle has likely been through the ordeal thousands of times and perhaps that is why she didn't display the expected emotion.

The facts indicate the Joelle acted outside of the box of acceptable teacher decorum by participating in a note passing game.  They do not, however, support that she engaged in sexual activity with the students.

Unfortunately, our knowledge base is limited and it would have been of value to hear -- even clandestinely -- from other teachers and students.  This probably wasn't feasible as the town is probably collectively scared to talk about this embarrassing fiasco.

I knew while watching this what the results would be. Watching his eyes and body language you could tell he was lying and trying to cover his rear. Towards the end he started to slip; big surprise. This boy is obviously lying just like the other two. So two failed and one recanted. This woman was falsely accused and I hope Dr.Phil does an update show on her and we see that these boys get what they deserve.

Society is so uncertain. Yes, allegations of abuse should be taken seriously but this is proof that so many take advantage of a system just for their own gain. Personally, I believe this was a fantasy that snowballed and they wanted to up their rep. The three should be punished and the school district should pay heavy fines for what they did to this woman.

One thing I am curious on, is what Dr. Phil said about the woman's demeanor. While I understand his view, maybe she is just mentally exhausted by all this. That and being on TV she composed herself well I thought. She has been accused for so long, I noticed when she would skirt around direct answers she ws feeling the need to defend herself instead of hitting things head on.

This is trully amazing that all 3 now teenagers have very different stories, when I was 15 ,I distinctlly remember my 1st encounter with a female that was 2yrs older then me, and that was 34 yeasr ago. these kids can't remember what happened just 4 or 5 years ago. These jerks were proberly dissed by the Teacher and they inturn ruined her and her Familys life. Dr Phil treated Mrs Ogletree like she was the instagator and at fault in all of this. On part 2 Matt couldn't remember any details in his story what a liar!! I'm not very happy with Dr. Phil. Dr Phil why were you so frustrated with the Teacher when she didn't get upset and ticked off, She's had 5 years to be ticked off. Were you trying to get her to loose her cool? and your comment about there was not going to be any screeming on you show! what a joke, you've had shows that have gotten out of control and you let it happen. DR PHIL WHAT WERE YOU TRYING TO DO??

Now I have to re think taping your show to view it later, I am very dissapointed in you Sorry. Matt get a life move on and fall off the face of the Earth,  your excusses are for the birds, how much did you get paid to come on the show.

I have been a victum of children fabricating and creating lies in the classroom. As a substitute I tried to bring an open forum to discuss various topics, by the time I left that classroom, the students said I was an alcoholic, encouraged drugs and said anyone that had a rebel flag was a racist. That is so far from who I am, I have not touched alcohol for 30 yrs and never drank much before that, I do not even take medication, and have not been involved in drugs at  anytime in my life. I only stated we should consider a message the flag is saying to specific groups and out of courtesy should think about that. To make a long story short, a few kids in the class fabricated lies that are so off base that I was shocked. I have people that are wanting me to sue the school for declination of character because I have lost my substitute job over such lies. It had turned into a witch hunt on the word of a few kids.

Sure, we should listen to kids, BUT we should also consider how often kids will lie and make up stories. They hear things completely different at times. Personally I think if the teacher was quilty she would have moved on, but she lost everything in order to fight for the truth. At a cost of $100,000 she kept fighting, would you lose everything to fight for a lie? She was vindicated but still wanted to continue to get to the truth. The boys failed the polygraph, that should also be considered.

Unless you are in the teaching environment and familar with the ways kids will spin stories, please don't be so quick to make judgements. The teacher did make some good points about the boys stories changing.

Are you kidding? Matt (and that is his name) couldn't remember any time line of his encounter, he lied about the day and time of his encounter. He's looking for his 5 years of fame. 1 kid said he lied, the other split on his lie detector tests, then there is Matt. Did you even pay attention to the show or did you just hear what you wanted to hear?? Jeff

Some posters are missing the evidence in its totality. If we look at each item, one by one, and shoot it down, as lawyers have done, say in the Michael Jackson case, we can deviate attention from the big picture. There was an earlier poster who pointed out very astutely a problem with the notes that Dr. Phil did not pick up on. The underlining of the word “SO” in I am so sorry would be consistent with underlining it for emphasis also in “SO BAD”, which is probably why she did not want to take a lie detector test.

Here is the totality of the evidence which shows that the teacher is lying:

-She has Sleepovers with boys. Michael Jackson had sleepovers with boys. What possible reason could a teacher have for having sleepovers? That is a classic move of a pedophile, to create the plausible situation which grants access.

-She writes notes to the one student. She doesn’t write notes to all students and play games with them all. She writes them to this one particular student.

-She calls this one particular student for a sleepover, for moving a piano and for the car ride. Her attention is focused on him.

-She refused a lie detector test. Although they are unreliable she was afraid to be exposed, especially about the notes.

-She lied about the content of the coded notes, as the underling of the S in I Am So Sorry proves. She did not want to be asked about the notes during a lie detector test. Why was she so sorry? For sending the boy a previous coded message that said she wished he were funnier? What’s to be sorry about that? If it were true then it would only have been a misinterpretation and not worthy of mention. If the boy’s side is true, then her conduct is truly something to be sorry about, underlining the SO!

-She attacks his credibility on semantics making mountains out of word play, scribbling notes to herself. She has memorized details of his testimony, scouring it for ways to find credibility issues.

-She fails to establish a motive for the boys to discredit her with such maliciousness.

-She has engaged in a sexual relationship with her own high school teacher, demonstrating that it is not a moral issue for her to cross that line.

Lawyers take this approach in court: let’s discredit each accusation one by one, or at least offer plausible explanations for sleepovers and notes, where no credibility issues exist. If the lawyer succeeds in diverting your attention from the big picture they win. People supporting this woman have missed the big picture. The preponderance of the evidence in this issue is firmly against the woman’s credibility and the school district is correct in its decision.

Dr Phil,

I love your show and am an avid watcher and fan of yours! However, this last show about the teacher and sex scandle definitely wasn't one of my favorite shows and I'll explain why. First of all, I felt that the teacher wasn't being totally honest with you and the audience about her so called escapades with her male students. Something about her statements and her demeanor just didn't ring true for me. She seemed to beat around the bush whenever you asked her any type of direct questions and when she had an opportunity to confront Matt, she absolutely didn't address him in the mannor that she should have if she was being accused of such horrible behavior by her students. If I were being accused of those sexual advances, I can assure you that I would have blasted him and defended my honor with everything I could. There wouldn't have been any doubts as to my thoughts and feelings concerning the charges against me. She didn't seem very disturbed by any of the accusations that I could visibly see from my vantage point as a tv viewer. Maybe Dr Phil could perceive a sense of sincerity  from her but to be honest with you, I just didn't feel she was being completly honest with her story and I certainly felt no genuine sense of sincerity when she gave her version of the story.

I on the other hand felt Matt was being truthful. He might have been a little nervous being on stage and quite frankly 5 years is a very long time to recall every nitty gritty detail as to the series of events and how and when they took place. I do feel he gave a pretty good detailed description of the sexual encounters and what took place during them! If I had to choose whom to believe, I choose Matt and the other boy who took the lie detector test. His phone interview with Dr Phil certainly seemed credible and his detailed description of what transpired between the two of them, certainly was a lot more believeable then her version. I can not fathom why either of the two boys would concoct such a horrible story about their teacher for no apparent reason whatsoever? I feel there was MORE to the story then she was alluding to.

I was also disturbed by her secret codes between the male students. That ,in and of itself, seems very deceptive and improper! I truly dislike believing that she could possibly be guilty of those charges, because teachers hold a very important place in society and play a huge role in the development and integrity of our young students! I hope I am wrong about her.

I would love it if you could further investigate this story and situation and bring us an update in a future show.

Susieqt from Jacksonville, Fl