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Created on : Friday, November 02, 2007, 11:42:49 am
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(Original Air Date: 11/05/07) Dr. Phil tackles the emotionally-charged topic of DNA tests. Over 300,000 paternity tests are done every year, 100,000 of which actually prove a father has been previously misidentified. Dr. Phil’s guest, Terrie, claims one of her grandchildren does not look like any of the men on her side of the family, and definitely not like her son, Adam. Terrie has called her daughter-in-law, Diane, a "bald-faced liar" and "a crazy woman," and Diane says her mother-in-law is dead to her! Is Terrie just a meddling mother-in-law, or is she right in thinking her son is not her grandson’s biological father? When Dr. Phil reads the results of a top-notch DNA test, will her fears be legitimized or put to rest? And what will they mean for the feuding in-laws? Then, meet Kristie, who says that after a brief affair, she found out she was pregnant. When she told the father, she says he changed his phone number and disappeared … until Dr. Phil found him. A hidden camera captures the moment when a Dr. Phil’s investigator tracks down the alleged father-to-be -- and you won’t believe his reaction. Will he take responsibility? Or will Kristie’s next rendezvous with her former paramour take place before a judge? Share your thoughts here.

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November 6, 2007, 11:09 pm PST

Medaling Mother inlaws

  I didn't think there was a real problem with the husband/wife/children DNA or not.

I do think that the constant negative pressure from in-laws is like poison to the whole bunch. If the mother in-law didn;t get some serious help i think she should be banned from seeing any of them.

 

As the son/husband if he stood up to his mom and says either treat us all like family or get out of our lives. Leaving it up too the wife isn't the way to go. Sure if she acts right and is there for the kids would be great but the ones that act as a bad seed keeping things unsettled is wrong.

IF HIS MOM REALLY LOVED HER SON AND GRANDKIDS SHE WOULD TRY TO KEEP THE PEACE AND LOVE HIS WIFE BECAUSE SHE IS NOW A PART OF HIM.GROW UP GRANDMOM AND DO THE RIGHT THING. DON'T BE SELFISH.

 
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November 6, 2007, 11:09 pm PST

11/05 DNA Dramas

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this issue was tackled the week of 10/29 with Enrique and Maria, the non-bio father who ceased a r'ship with his "daughter" after he found out DNA test.  My stance is in support of these men not having to pay for children that are not theirs.  Women in this situation made the decisions of who they have intercourse with, they can be responsible for the consequences and ensuring the right man is paying his share. 

 

The law is currently built around the best interest of the child.  Yet men are being punished w/o recourse.  Take the instance of a stepparent or parents.  If a divorce occurs, there is no legal recourse to a stepparent to continue to monetarily or emotionally contribute; in fact, they have NO rights to continue the r'ship with the children unless one parent deems it acceptable.  So why are men the scapegoats for children that are not theirs biologically?  They essentially have the same r'ship with the child as a stepparent does: (hopefuly) an emotional bond - that's it. 

 

 

"The law is currently built around the best interest of the child. Yet men are being punished w/o recourse"  LOL are you implying that the law should be build around men? 

 

I have to tell you if my husband was raising a child and suddenly realized the child was not his his concern would not be "do I have to continue to pay for this child" but rather his concern would be "OMG I hope I'm allowed to continue to be a parent to this child".  He would not be fighting to NOT pay for the kid but rather wouldbe fighting to make certain he CAN take care of that child in ever sense of the word!  I only saw a piece of this show & I'm not sure that I do agree with someone being "tricked into believing he is a father" and then being forced to continue to pay for the child for the rest of his life.  On the other hand this isn't about just HIM but it's about a child!  When it comes to the "best interest of a child I'm not sure I agree that the best place for it would be with a parent that would use it as a means to extort money which is what a mother lying is doing IMO, HOWEVER if I thought that this person was just sincerely upset at the time & for some misguided reason thought it was best for all then yes I'd leave the child with the mom & I would hope that the man who had been acting as father would continue to do so if only so that this child didn't feel *ABANDONED* by the only father she'd ever known.  The person who contributes DNA is only that a sperm doner but the man a child knows as "daddy is the man they look to for love & *SECURITY* and the best interest of the child IMO is the *ONLY THING THAT MATTERS*. 

 

 

 
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November 6, 2007, 11:18 pm PST

11/05 DNA Dramas

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NO WAY SHOULD HE BE RESPONSIBLE FOR  CHILD SUPPORT! There is really something wrong with the laws if someone can disregard her marital vows and break that contract by having a baby with another man yet a man who is not gentically the father be not be able to break his "financial obligation" to pay support once he knows the baby is not his. How this woman can think that he owes this to her makes me irate!  This is just not right and these laws need to change so that these men can stop paying for child support once it is proven that they were not the ones who fathered the child. As far as this man ending visitation; that was not right. This little girl only knew one father and he should have continued  to play that role in her life. This was not her fault, it was her cheating Mother's. And while I can empathize with the pain he himself must have gone through learning his life was a lie for 10 years, he needed to help out the child so that her pain was the least amount it could be. What a sad situation.   

WHO are you talking about?  the child was a BOY & the his father is the womans husband!  The father knew about the afair long before the child was born & once born the mother had a DNA test ASAP & it was her husbands baby!  Were you watching a different show? 

 

 

As far as the guy from the other day I can't imagine after parenting a child for 10 years just not wanting to do so any longer because the DNA test came back saying someone else is her parent!  there's just no way that I would ever be able to slep at night thinking my child is hungry or asleep in a car or a shelter some where.  And if I had to actually purchase the food &/or pay the rent to make certain that's where the money went I would be doing that *court ordered child support or not*!  That's what a parent is & that's what they do they CARE for their children & that goes way beyond the creation of them! 

 
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November 7, 2007, 1:36 am PST

DNA Drama-some additional thought

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First, after reading the posts for 11/05 shows, I think most of these people are responding to another show, not this one.   Did I miss something??

I watched this show and thought Grandma was so far out of line, that I am wondering by her words and actions, how she can ever be a viable part of her son & grandchildren's life.  Once her son's paternity was established, she didnt even remotley try to apologize, or make ammends for her actions.  She just seemed to go on finding fault with something else.  Dr.Phil suggested that children can really benefit from having grandparents in their lives, and I totally agree, because I had the best grandparents in the world, but I dont think these parents should expose their children to a "toxic grandmother", and should not let her see them unsupervised, until she can get some couselling.  It is obvious she has issues with her daughter-in-law and I think she always will, and will use those negative feelings to try to poison her granchildren's mind against their mother.  This is child abuse in my opinion, and since parents are supposed to protect their children at all cost, they need to protect them from this lady.  She should only be allowed to see the children in their home with both parents present and if she gets out of line, she should be asked to leave, out of earshot of the children

Granny-get it together, for the children's sake and your own.  You will regret it one day if you dont.

Just a few comments to my original post.  My first Mother-in -law did not want her son to marry me-or anyone for that matter.  She was a widow, and he had been living with her before we met, to help her financially, since she wasnt old enough to draw SS yet.  After we married, we moved to NJ and wrote, called, and went to visit as often as possible-a good 8-9 hour drive.  As newlyweds, we were didnt have a lot of money, and could not afford a second car for me to go to work.  However, his Mom still needed all of her expenses paid, just as she did when he lived with her.  So I got a job in the apartment complex where we lived, and took the money I made plus what I could manage to put away from his check, and sent it to her in a money order 2-3 times a month.  We paid her landlord directly as well as her utilities, and I made sure she had extra for a cab should she need to get to the store in bad weather.  She lived in a small town. For Mother's Day, birthday's & Christmas, I bought the gifts, and although her needs were simple, I made sure she knew she hadnt been abandoned.  This lady wasnt very nice to me at all-in her eyes I had taken away her son.  Why did I do it?  For him because he was my husband and I loved him and she had created so much havoc in his first marriage,  that his first wife had left him.  Also, I knew this lady had mental problems that she would never address, so we made sure she was safe and well fed.  When my husband died at 31, I let her plan his funeral the way that made her feel good.  I moved back to my hometown and when I got a job, continued to send her money.  She was getting her SS by this time, so I didnt have to send her as much, but I remembered her on special occassions, and kept in touch.  She never once thanked me or said she was sorry, but I didnt need that from her.  I did the right thing in his honor and memory.  She passed on several years later.

When I remarried, she made me a homemade patchwork quilt, from scraps of fabric from her old house dresses, and some of his old shirts.  It was the best gift my new husband & I received.  My second MIL was and angel.  She wrote me a beautiful letter before she had even met me, welcoming me to the family, his parents paid for us to fly to his hometown, and held an open house so that I could meet his other family and friends.  She also presented me with a charm bracelet reflecting some of the things she knew about me-my love for cats, my sun sign, a nurses cap, an airplane signifing our trip.  For 18 years that wonderful woman was like a mother to me, and even though my husband left me for someone he met in AA, to this day I still miss her.

The point I want to make is, sometimes we have to make consessions for the one's we love.  Yes, we have to protect the children from being pulled between MIL & parents, but if love for one's spouse is behind your motives, it can be worked out.  Being RIGHT isnt always that important.  Being understanding is, and you wont regret it.  I didnt!

 
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November 7, 2007, 5:19 am PST

11/05 DNA Dramas

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I don't think Terry the mother-in-law did anything wrong if her daughter-in-law, Diane had a relationship with someone else outside the marriage and didn't know if that was her husband's child.  Diane doesn't need to get so angry at Terry for her creating the problem to start with in the first place.  I believe Diane doesn't have any right to say anything about since she created the problem.  She does have a big mouth!

 

I also believe the husband should stand up and be vocal instead of a scared rabbit!

I totally disagree!  Diane had an affair, she immediately confessed it to her husband, and they worked it out.  If he questioned the child's paternity, he would have had every right to ask for a DNA test (although  Diane volunteered one, anyway). 

 

Of course Diane has a right to be upset - neither the affair nor the paternity of the child is Terri's business.  She had no place to have any comment about any of it.  They had worked it out amongnst themselves, and that should have been good enough for Terri.  

 
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November 7, 2007, 5:34 am PST

50/50 ?

A child is given 50/50 in the best scenereo , off that is not good.

no daughter should have look just like her Mother OR

no son should have to look just like his Father to be accepted.

Fact is generations are in them genes.

GreatGrandma's red hair can show up?

GreatGrandpa's eyes or heighth can appear?

Based on looks is cowardly!

Both women need to get life in a decent perspective?

All adults have issues clouding real considerate LOVE for children!

 

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November 7, 2007, 5:39 am PST

DNA/not the father,how I can help

 Hello
Back in 1978 or so..my husband of 33 years now..had to pay child support for a child that was NOT his. Dave is his name, he was in Viet Nam..for 1 year...his wife became pregnat at this time...back then there wasn't any DNA testing...  Anyhow..  The courts will not as they state "Bastardize"  a child...

Because they were married...the child was considered Dave's.  Therefore..he was responsible for child support...health insurance etc.
As you can imagine...coming home from the war to a wife that cheated and also became pregnant...it was devastating to Dave.   We were married, and had a baby girl...when Dave went to court for child support hearings...and threatned to be put in jail...I asked about MY baby...and the court told me 'as far as the court is concerned, your baby doesn't exist!!!!'....  It floored me....they would put MY baby's daddy in jail for non support of another child that was NOT his!!     So...we found a lawyer...at first all our attempts to change or modify the divorce...were turned down.  UNTIL that is our lawyer came up with a brilliant idea....we told the court OK fine...let the child keep his name...but remove all responsibility of support etc...and WE WON!     The divorce was modified...NO MORE CHILD SUPPORT payments, for this child that was NOT his.      Unfortunately...this child to this day...does NOT know who her biological Father is!   It is a sad situation...BUT...the mother is responsible ...not the victim...as they blame the husbands...   I hope this might help some other Dads out there...good luck!
 

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November 7, 2007, 5:56 am PST

maybe I can help

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I am very experienced in the results of child support. My husband pays child support for a child that is not his. His wife began cheating on him early in the relationship with his ex but my husband was not aware of the indiscretions. When she became pregnant he tried to do the right thing and married her. When the child was 7 months of age he caught her cheating on him and filed for divorce. He agreed to child support as he believed this was his daughter.

 

Two years later mom tells him he is not the father and that her real father is now a part of the child's life and my husband needed to stop visiting as it was confusing to the child. My husband was hurt......and immediately asked her to terminate support since this was not his child and mom wanted him having nothing to do with the child.

 

She refused. He petitioned the courts for termination of the support order based on new facts. Mom stood up in court and lied though her teeth. Claimed he was the father. So my husband asked for paternity tests to tell the truth. He was turned down. The courts told him that paternity tests were not needed as they would not come into play. He would be required to pay support for the child regardless of if he was the father or not.

 

We are now paying support for a child that is not his. He enforced his visitation for another three years when the child asked to stop visitation so she could stay with her real father during the weekend. My husband ended the visits as the child wanted.

 

Now we sit here with children of our own who get less because he has to . support a child that is not his and refuses to visit with him. Mom told the child that he was not the father. All this due to one womans greed and manipulative behavior.

 

We are not rich........in fact we pay more child support for this child then we use to support out own children yet the nightmare continues.

 

Child support is the new welfare IMO. The government has no desire to end this and do the right thing because it is keeping women off the welfare rolls. His ex wife sits at home and collects the child support and refuses to work as the real father will not work either.

 

God bless the child support system that allows a women to lie and ruin another persons life.

 

I understand children must come first......but get real. Child support has nothing to do with visitation. If the courts really want to keep the bond regardless of paternity why not order the father to spend time with the child? This they do not do......instead they make the father pay. No tell me how this is benefiting the child?

 

Fathers are required to pay such abnormally high amounts of child support that some are unable to support themseves........all for a child they did not produce.

 

The real reason why the courts will not stop support has nothing to do with the children........it has to do with the welfare rolls. If they allowed this millions of fathers would come forward and request paternity. If even 30% of these Fathers were determined not to be the father 30% of children would lose child support and end up back on welfare.......something the government will not allow.

 

The courts feed off the ignorance of men...........because a man trusts his wife he will pay regardless of the truth. The system is broken until it is fixed no child will be helped.

 

If the courts spent time on fixing this there would be less trouble enforcing orders and mothers would be held accountable for their behavior.

 

I am ashamed to say I am a women when I see women doing this. It is not fair to the man or your child and I truly believe any woman that would lie to a man about paternity is scum!

 

This is out and out FRAUD! If this was anything else they would be charged with fraud....so why not in this case?

 Get a lawyer, tell  him to petition the court for modification...of child support....TELL the lawyer..to do this..Just petiition for removal of support ..BUT let the child keep their name....the courts will NOT BASTARDIZE a child...BUT they will modify the support by eliminating it all together...WE did this and WON...all the arrears..were removed and no more child support payments on a child that was not biologically his!   Good Luck!   I can give you the name of the firm we used..but it was over 30 years ago now.
 

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November 7, 2007, 6:32 am PST

try this

Quote From: mariposa68

   I'm with you.  There should be harsh punishment for conniving women like the one who you and your husband have had to deal with.  You should be able to sue her for every dime that your husband was forced to pay her.  Just because a woman becomes a mother shouldn't give her the right to commit fraud, and bring years of hardship on an innocent man and his family.
 Ask your lawyer to petition the court for modification....let the 'child'  KEEP his name...but modify the divorce to remove all support/insurance etc.  THAT is what we did...and we WON!!!   Good luck...The courts will not BASTARDIZE a child...but they can modify the papers.  Good luck!!!!!
 
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November 7, 2007, 6:49 am PST

Thank you very much.

Quote From: aslaninca

Wow, Steve you are quite a man. It was such a joy to read your post. It appears that you found the perfect way to deal with a most difficult situation. Your wife sounds like a wonderful person and so do you. I can only hope that Adam, from yesterday's show will read what you have written. He needs to get a backbone and take control of his situation. I don't believe he said more than 15 words the whole time he was on. He just let his wife and mother duke it out. He should be ashamed and step in immediately.

 

As you have shown, it doesn't have to be all or nothing. Good luck to you and I really liked how you took any unpleasantness away from your children. I'll just bet they thanked you!!!

I so appreciate your comments.  I'm very flattered (even blushing).  I'm very new on this message board thing with Dr. Phil, but I'm finding that wherever I post I'm getting very nice responses for the most part.  I just try to be honest and be myself and I'm rather touched that so many are responding to me so positively.  Thank you for making my day.  :-)

I agree with you about Adam on the show.  I absolutely felt for him because I've been there in his situation and it is hard to chose between a mother and wife; however, he has to take charge of this situation and realize that it's his mother making him choose and his primary (notice I didn't say only) responsibility is to his immediate family.  He must protect them, wife and children, at all costs.  He actually made his wife look bad because I think anyone can see that that woman was over-the-top angry, and I think it was because she is so used to defending herself from Adam's mother because he can't do it himself.  He barely said a word and continued to allow his mother to verbally beat up his wife on national television (including picking on her mental illness which was an atrocious low blow in my view and something that was really no one's business).  Is it any surprise that his wife is so angry and bitter at this point. 

I know some on here think Adam's wife is nuts, verbally abusive, loud, and so on, but, quite frankly, I can see why she behaved the way she did.  NOT ONCE did Adam defend her outright.  All he ever did was nod and say she's right on occasion or shake his head no to something his mother said.  He needed to stand up and say, "Hey, Mom, that's my wife you're talking to and about and either learn some respect for the woman I chose to be with or face the consequences of not being a part of our family," or "Mom, I'm not going to sit quietly here while you call my wife a sick liar when it's you that has problems."  No, instead he said nothing.  Is it really then a surprise to see how his wife behaved then?  I think anyone can see that she's conditioned to act this way because she as a husband that just doesn't stand by her side as he should.  He doesn't have to agree with her every word, but he shouldn't sit there like "it's not my problem" either since it's his mother intruding in his marriage!  If he doesn't wake up soon, he may lose both his mother and his family.

Just as I found a balance, he can to, and to Adam's wife's credit, she even stated how she tried to by  leaving the room or house so that the mother has private time with her son and grandchildren; however, since Adam can't be trusted to prevent his mother from being a negative force, I'd stop that in a heartbeat.  Adam MUST step up to the plate that belongs in front of him and not his wife.  His wife, and even more importantly, his children should not be exposed to such vicious negativity that emminates from the mother who admitted on national television that her goal was to break up the marriage and she will succeed if Adam doesn't do something drastic and constructive real soon.

With a good dose of humility and respect,
Steve

P.S. And yes, my kids have actually thanked me for getting a handle on their grandmother.  They love her, but they know how destructive she is and are very grateful to no longer be in the middle of a war.  They and my wife are very supportive of how I've handled things recently and to all of their credit they do not hold it against me that it took so long.  They truly understand the hard place I was in then.  It's never too late to make necessary changes.  Gosh, Adam, I hope your listening/reading.  Please find my earlier post on how I found a balance in a horrible situation not unlike yours.
 
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