Topic : 03/13 DNA Dramas

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Created on : Friday, November 02, 2007, 11:42:49 am
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(Original Air Date: 11/05/07) Dr. Phil tackles the emotionally-charged topic of DNA tests. Over 300,000 paternity tests are done every year, 100,000 of which actually prove a father has been previously misidentified. Dr. Phil’s guest, Terrie, claims one of her grandchildren does not look like any of the men on her side of the family, and definitely not like her son, Adam. Terrie has called her daughter-in-law, Diane, a "bald-faced liar" and "a crazy woman," and Diane says her mother-in-law is dead to her! Is Terrie just a meddling mother-in-law, or is she right in thinking her son is not her grandson’s biological father? When Dr. Phil reads the results of a top-notch DNA test, will her fears be legitimized or put to rest? And what will they mean for the feuding in-laws? Then, meet Kristie, who says that after a brief affair, she found out she was pregnant. When she told the father, she says he changed his phone number and disappeared … until Dr. Phil found him. A hidden camera captures the moment when a Dr. Phil’s investigator tracks down the alleged father-to-be -- and you won’t believe his reaction. Will he take responsibility? Or will Kristie’s next rendezvous with her former paramour take place before a judge? Share your thoughts here.

Find out what happened on the show.


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November 6, 2007, 2:09 pm PST

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I am very experienced in the results of child support. My husband pays child support for a child that is not his. His wife began cheating on him early in the relationship with his ex but my husband was not aware of the indiscretions. When she became pregnant he tried to do the right thing and married her. When the child was 7 months of age he caught her cheating on him and filed for divorce. He agreed to child support as he believed this was his daughter.

 

Two years later mom tells him he is not the father and that her real father is now a part of the child's life and my husband needed to stop visiting as it was confusing to the child. My husband was hurt......and immediately asked her to terminate support since this was not his child and mom wanted him having nothing to do with the child.

 

She refused. He petitioned the courts for termination of the support order based on new facts. Mom stood up in court and lied though her teeth. Claimed he was the father. So my husband asked for paternity tests to tell the truth. He was turned down. The courts told him that paternity tests were not needed as they would not come into play. He would be required to pay support for the child regardless of if he was the father or not.

 

We are now paying support for a child that is not his. He enforced his visitation for another three years when the child asked to stop visitation so she could stay with her real father during the weekend. My husband ended the visits as the child wanted.

 

Now we sit here with children of our own who get less because he has to . support a child that is not his and refuses to visit with him. Mom told the child that he was not the father. All this due to one womans greed and manipulative behavior.

 

We are not rich........in fact we pay more child support for this child then we use to support out own children yet the nightmare continues.

 

Child support is the new welfare IMO. The government has no desire to end this and do the right thing because it is keeping women off the welfare rolls. His ex wife sits at home and collects the child support and refuses to work as the real father will not work either.

 

God bless the child support system that allows a women to lie and ruin another persons life.

 

I understand children must come first......but get real. Child support has nothing to do with visitation. If the courts really want to keep the bond regardless of paternity why not order the father to spend time with the child? This they do not do......instead they make the father pay. No tell me how this is benefiting the child?

 

Fathers are required to pay such abnormally high amounts of child support that some are unable to support themseves........all for a child they did not produce.

 

The real reason why the courts will not stop support has nothing to do with the children........it has to do with the welfare rolls. If they allowed this millions of fathers would come forward and request paternity. If even 30% of these Fathers were determined not to be the father 30% of children would lose child support and end up back on welfare.......something the government will not allow.

 

The courts feed off the ignorance of men...........because a man trusts his wife he will pay regardless of the truth. The system is broken until it is fixed no child will be helped.

 

If the courts spent time on fixing this there would be less trouble enforcing orders and mothers would be held accountable for their behavior.

 

I am ashamed to say I am a women when I see women doing this. It is not fair to the man or your child and I truly believe any woman that would lie to a man about paternity is scum!

 

This is out and out FRAUD! If this was anything else they would be charged with fraud....so why not in this case?

I think that this is what you wante to say.  This is something that I can agree on with you. 

 

Well written!!

 
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November 6, 2007, 2:32 pm PST

Please help me in finding my drama...

So I watched the show DNA Drama's and it helped me with a few of my problems.  I'm a single mommy with a beautiful little girl of 18 months.  My story is similar to that if Kirstie's the pregnant woman.  However, regardless of the drama that has gone up with my baby's father not wanting to take responsibility, he is the father of my child and I will never talk badly about him.  She has a right to know who he is and when she is older she can form her own opinion on him.  I have a good job and doing everything possible for my child.  Because of all the legal processings we have to undergo, now he is a father on the run and owns us over $3,500.00 in child supp. How do I get dr. phil or someone to help me locate my baby's father so she is skipped out on anything?  I don't understand how and why guys do these things and sometimes it's not just guys but girls are deadbeats too.  A baby is the most precious gift in the world.   Please help! 
 
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November 6, 2007, 2:34 pm PST

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You make very vaild points & I agree. But all I'm saying is, we as a society & country should not condemn & put all, or even most, blame only on the woman when an unplanned pregnacy happens. Like its been said, any kind of birth control is better than no birth control... HOWEVER, even though its less likely, its still possible for women to become pregnant while taking birth control. So the ultimate best bet, next to not having sex at all, is to use 2 consistant methods. I know that we cant technically force someone to use birth control or condoms, but if/when they dont, they (BOTH) need to step up & deal with the outcomes & if one or either of them dont want to, well then, the courts come into place. We need to make it a reality to/for the MEN (and not just the women) that if they choose unprotected sex, then they need to suffer the consequences... and maybe if the jerks who just walk away were held more accountable than they seem to be, then maybe they would start to have a better understanding of what being responsible means. Men have it way too easy & its time (beyond time, in my opinion) that they realize that they're just as responsible for creating a child as the woman.

 

On a personal note, In my opinion, if a guy does just walk & doesnt look back, then he has no concept whatsoever of what being a REAL MAN is, because  REAL MEN takes care of their's.

  I don't want to gloss over the issue of making the baby in the first place. There would be no need for court and all the other headaches if the baby never existed. I am not trying to pin all the blame on women for unplanned pregnancy and I do get it that birth control can fail. But  we women suffer the consequences to a much greater and life changing degree exp. pregnancy, birth. taking the guy to court, a fatherless child, financial diffuculties and on and on. Sorry I believe it is beyond stupid to have sex so carelessly as Kristy and so many others do.Women could avoid so so much heartache and trouble by thinking!!!! When a woman is at that point in bed with a guy why doesn't she stop and think about what could happen if she allows things to proceed?  This could be the guy that wrecks her life and leaves after finding out she's pregnant. Are women still that  gullible that they believe the sweet talk and lies? How can they be so incredibly foolish?  I just don't get it.  Do women really keep hoping and hoping and wishing and wishing that the guy is going to be a responsible great person who'll truly care and step up?  Wake uo ladies! As the gender who gets pregnant you can't afford the free wheeling  care free and ( immature) attitude men do. It sucks but it's the truth.
 
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November 6, 2007, 2:37 pm PST

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You make very vaild points & I agree. But all I'm saying is, we as a society & country should not condemn & put all, or even most, blame only on the woman when an unplanned pregnacy happens. Like its been said, any kind of birth control is better than no birth control... HOWEVER, even though its less likely, its still possible for women to become pregnant while taking birth control. So the ultimate best bet, next to not having sex at all, is to use 2 consistant methods. I know that we cant technically force someone to use birth control or condoms, but if/when they dont, they (BOTH) need to step up & deal with the outcomes & if one or either of them dont want to, well then, the courts come into place. We need to make it a reality to/for the MEN (and not just the women) that if they choose unprotected sex, then they need to suffer the consequences... and maybe if the jerks who just walk away were held more accountable than they seem to be, then maybe they would start to have a better understanding of what being responsible means. Men have it way too easy & its time (beyond time, in my opinion) that they realize that they're just as responsible for creating a child as the woman.

 

On a personal note, In my opinion, if a guy does just walk & doesnt look back, then he has no concept whatsoever of what being a REAL MAN is, because  REAL MEN takes care of their's.

I also agree the courts need to go after them big time once the baby exists. You bet!!!
 
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November 6, 2007, 2:59 pm PST

WOW- I AM SO PROUD OF STEVE

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Wow, Steve you are quite a man. It was such a joy to read your post. It appears that you found the perfect way to deal with a most difficult situation. Your wife sounds like a wonderful person and so do you. I can only hope that Adam, from yesterday's show will read what you have written. He needs to get a backbone and take control of his situation. I don't believe he said more than 15 words the whole time he was on. He just let his wife and mother duke it out. He should be ashamed and step in immediately.

 

As you have shown, it doesn't have to be all or nothing. Good luck to you and I really liked how you took any unpleasantness away from your children. I'll just bet they thanked you!!!

Steve:  I am so proud of you.  I wish you would talk to my husband.  I am living the life as your "wife" before you woke up.  Yes, his mother hates me.  I have the same problems you mentioned.  She refused to come to our wedding.  She gave my husband some excuse she had other plans but after my husband thought about  it - he told his mother something that made her attend but as soon as it was over - she was the first to leave.  But, she is famous for writing letters.  I kept the letter but I have it in my safe deposit box.  I thought my husband have seen the light but he still falls back into that trap his mother dug for him.  We couldn't have children so we adopted a little baby.  Boy, did she give us hell.  She would;t even come into our house to see the baby.  She mad us bring the baby to front door & show the baby. In fact, that day - it was cold & raining.  I refused.  Boy, did I get another a letter.  She will not visit us - to me that good but we have sent many invitations - now to the point that I stop.  The holidays were terrible.  She acts like we have ruined her holidays.  When we want to stay home & celebrate -she get very upset.  She was invited to join but again she made my husband feel guilty.

 

One Xmas - my husband took my daughter up to visit her ( I didn't go) my daughter came back crying - she didn't give my daughter a gift but my husband a gift.  She gave him a gift right in front of my daughter and said nothing to my daughter.  My husband didn't see anything wrong.  I am almost at the point where I might want to stop him taking my daughter up to see her without me.  I am afraid she will do & say something & right now my husband is still blind to his mother that she can cause harm to my daughter.  It is wrong for her to talk about me in front of my child & my husband doesn't STOP IT.

 

My husband been married for now 17 yrs & we dated 10 yrs before getting marry.  Now, you can see I was where your wife was before you changed.  Keep supporting your wife - she need your support & love.  Also, protect your children. 

 

Thank-you for your word.  Maybe it will help me to deal with my husband.

 

Gloria

(hoping her husband will change)

 
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November 6, 2007, 3:24 pm PST

WAHT'S UP WITH ADAM?

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First of all, many of you are getting way off topic here. This is not about Selina, Enrique, Mia, & Maria. This is about Terrie, Diane, Adam, & Kristie. If you want to talk about them, you should take it to this board instead:

 

http://www.drphil.com/messageboard/topic/2839

 

Second, I can't believe how many of you that are siding with the MIL (Terrie). She came off as very manipulative, & will do anything to wreck her son's marriage & say bad things about the DIL (Diane). I feel that the DIL is out of control, & that she shouldn't let Terrie get to her. Plus I commend her (Diane) for standing up for herself. Put yourself in the DIL shoes. If you had a MIL (like Terrie) who is trying to sabotage your marriage or who doesn't like you, wouldn't you be angry, too? Wake up, people!

 

As for Kristie, I think that she should just forget all about this guy & raise the child on her own. I truly believe that she should've also used protection, especially if she doesn't know someone really well. It's very obvious that this guy isn't going to be involved in the child's life & is not going to pay for child support. NO ONE forgets that they had sex with someone. So, in that matter, I feel very sorry for her & wish her & her child the best of luck.

I agree with what you wrote.  Read my reply to Steve - I AM in the boat with the DIL.  I am living her life but different than Diane - I have learned now not to let my MIL get to me.  I guess I am older now & now can control my temper.  But, what's up with Adam - I think he is still a mommie boy.  I don't remember him saying a word.  I am so surprised Dr. Phil didn't say anything about that.  I think some of their problems is Adam.  (read comments from Steve).  I don't blame DIL but as she age - she will learn not to let her MIL get to her.

 

As for Kristie - she is like most young woman whom is looking for love.  We as woman must learn to CHECK OUT ALL MAN before sleeping with them but if you must sleep with them - PLEASE PLEASE use protection.  Think about the children.  Yes, the children should have both loving mother & father.  We think the child is okay with just one parent - that might be true in some situations but must children will love to have a mother & father.  So, take the time out to get to learn your partner FIRST. 

 

Gloria

 
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November 6, 2007, 3:56 pm PST

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NO WAY SHOULD HE BE RESPONSIBLE FOR  CHILD SUPPORT! There is really something wrong with the laws if someone can disregard her marital vows and break that contract by having a baby with another man yet a man who is not gentically the father be not be able to break his "financial obligation" to pay support once he knows the baby is not his. How this woman can think that he owes this to her makes me irate!  This is just not right and these laws need to change so that these men can stop paying for child support once it is proven that they were not the ones who fathered the child. As far as this man ending visitation; that was not right. This little girl only knew one father and he should have continued  to play that role in her life. This was not her fault, it was her cheating Mother's. And while I can empathize with the pain he himself must have gone through learning his life was a lie for 10 years, he needed to help out the child so that her pain was the least amount it could be. What a sad situation.   
 

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November 6, 2007, 4:22 pm PST

I am surprised

I can't believe Dr Phil let this daughter in law yell non stop at this mother in law it was a disgrace!!!  And for her son to sit there and let this happen is terrible..  She had every right to question if that was her grandson since the parents themselves needed a test to make sure this child was theirs. 
 
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November 6, 2007, 4:52 pm PST

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In this particular case I think that the biggest problem is the step mom. I think the husband should have kept the secret from his daughter and he should have continued to let her know that there was never anything that would change the way he loves her. A few dollars from his pocket would not hurt him as much as he has hurt this young lady. And the bond between him and his daughter should have been stronger then the love of a second wife who is only interested in the money and how it would effect her.

There is a time and place for all things and this man ,at the insistance of this second wife, picked the wrong time and place to tell his daughter. Sorry isn't enough.  Blame, at this time in the life of the child, will not change facts. And the fact is the mother was wrong from the beginning but until all this fuss was made from the step mom the child could have continued until adulthood and then the message of parenthood could have been made available to her. If the health of the child was at stake it would have been another matter completely.

And oh yes I am married for 56 years and all my children are my husbands and there is no second wife.

A few dollars from his pocket would not hurt him as much as he has hurt this young lady.  

 

Who are you kidding.  A few dollars?  Lets talk more like hundreds of dollars.   As a wife who has been paying child support for a child my husband didn't even know about about until the child was almost 10 ( from a one night stand)  The amount of money makes a big differance to our family.  Our two children who were planned, concieved and born into a marriage before we even knew about the other child, now have to suffer and go without because the mother decided to play with peoples lifes.  She decided to have a baby on her own and not contact the father, but when things got hard 10 years later, then she wants money.

 

The mother in the story is the one who needs to step up and take the blame for the situation.  I don't agree with how the child was told or even that the child was told,  but the Mother could have taken responsiblity for her actions and told the "father" that she wanted him to stay involved in the childs life, but that he was no longer finacially responsible.  This child should not know anything about money.

 

Women need to remember they did not have to have the baby,  or keep the baby, there are options, Not getting pregnant until you know you are in the right relationship is a good one.  I did alot of running around in my younger days, but NEVER got pregnant.   Birth control is too available.  If you can't figure that out, you really shouldn't be having children.

 
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November 6, 2007, 5:01 pm PST

I TOO WAS SURPRISED.

I TOO COULD NOT BELIEVE THAT DR PHIL LEFT DIANE SIT THAT AND YELL AT HER MOTHER IN LAW. AND FOR HER SON TO JUST SIT BACK AND LET HER DO IT TOO? WHAT WAS UP WITH THAT? YOU CAN TELL DIANE WEARS THE PANTS IN THAT FAMILY. ITS PRETTY SAD WHEN YOU PUT THE KIDS IN BETWEEN YOUR DIFFERENCES. AND TERRI DOESN'T SEEM AS EVIL AS DIANE WAS MAKING HER OUT TO BE. GIVE HER A CHANCE TO PROVE HERSELF AND PROVE SHE CAN BE A GOOD GRANDMA. I FELT SO BAD FOR HER I JUST WANTED TO GET RIGHT IN DIANES FACE AND TELL HER TO GROW UP!
 

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