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Topic : 11/09 Debate Dr. Phil and the Bishop

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From a celebrity’s controversial meltdown caught on tape to nooses cropping up around the country, Dr. Phil and Bishop T.D. Jakes tackle tough racial issues. First up, Dog the Bounty Hunter spewed slurs in a phone conversation with his son, Tucker, and used the N-word repeatedly when referring to Tucker’s black girlfriend, Monique. Monique’s mother, Linda Shinnery, joins the Dr. Phil show via satellite and says she was appalled by Dog’s tirade. Should the reality TV star lose his job over a private conversation? Civil rights activist Al Sharpton, rapper Master P, and BET correspondent Jeff Johnson weigh in. Then, nooses, a symbol of hatred for African-Americans, are cropping up more and more across the country – from Jena, Louisiana to Columbia University in New York. Najee Ali, founder and co-director of Project Islamic Hope, shares his views on empowering the black community and combating stereotypes. Don’t miss this intense debate about racism and sensitivity in America, and find out how you can educate your children. Join the discussion.

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November 9, 2007, 7:16 am PST

This is disgusting

I cannot believe I just heard Dr. Phil ask the girl's mother if Dog has apologized to her daugher!

 

Folks, Dog was having a PRIVATE phone conversation - which we are all entitled to have and express our thoughts in.  That the whole world has now heard his PRIVATE conversation, which I am sure was never meant to be shared (shame on his son for doing so and selling his dad out) is disgusting.  He has nothing to apologize for.

 

I wish Dr. Phil would realize that ANYONE who invites the "Reverand" Al Sharpton into a debate LOSES credibility with me (and most other rational reasonable Americans).

 

These kinds of  "conversations" are why I have almost totally given up on Dr. Phil.

 
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November 9, 2007, 7:17 am PST

11/09 Debate Dr. Phil and the Bishop

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The phone conversation between Dog and his son was private, The son should be the one to apologize for selling out his own family. I don't like the word used,but  it was after all a private call beween two people. I say let Dog keep his show. I think the son showed disrespect.

I COMPLETELY agree.
 
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November 9, 2007, 7:19 am PST

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How is it right for every black person in America to be able to say  the N*****r word and not one white person can say it without being crucified? I have black friends that say this word all of the time. I am so tried of the double standard in America today. Look at all of the rappers who have this word in thier music. How is it ok for them to call people crackers etc but not once does anyone say anything about them call white people names. I watch you faithful everyday but if you say anything about Dog I will not watch your program anymore and make sure that my colleages , friends and family does not watch your show anymore. Dog needs to have his show back. This wording was totally taken out of context. This was a private conversation between father and son. His son should be prosecuted for taping a private conversation without his fathers knowledge.

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November 9, 2007, 7:20 am PST

I completely agree!!!!!

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The word is a terrible one.  Black people need to stop using it period! !!   I don't care which way the MEAN it...quit using it or do not complain when others use it.  If they want it gone they are the first ones who need to eradicate it from our language.  Until then; quit your complaining.  This guy has every right to have a private conversation with his son and express his point any way he wants.  I don't see anyone prosecuting this young man for betraying his father.  The young lady is a girlfriend and not a wife, the son owes the father alot more than her  She may never be anything more than what she is now.  How many girlfriends has he had so far?  How many wives will he have?  How many fathers?  If the guy is older than 18 and is not depending on daddy for anything then he can put some space between his father and himself knowing how his father feels about his choices.  His father has every right to have expectations and wishes for his son; does not mean he will get either but it is his God given right to have them.  The son had no right to betray his father.  In respect to the young lady she has every right to say:  Look I don't want to date you if you don't put some space......etc.  Ultimately; I am tired of people making others suffer for their own hangups.  The father should not be sorry for feeling the way he does but he should not have used that nasty word.  I do not want to excuse the use of the word but in a heat of passion it coming out can only be blamed on our society that has consistently used that word (mainly black people themselves) in such a negative way.  Even if  black people say the MEAN IT in a different way; society (a bigger piece of the pie) does not!!!   QUIT USING IT!!!!  Black people of the world should lead the way in getting rid of it.  It is impossible for them to do so until they tell us to do as they do.     We are all what God wants us to be and we must do the best we can with what he gave us...I wish I had been born a white man in this society but I was not...so, I will do the best with what I am.   Stereotypes have a reason for being there and it is terrible that the good guys out there have to suffer for reasons of some other idiots cause but those of us who are not Caucasian need to do all we can to show our good side every time and everywhere.  it costs us nothing and we are better for it......that is the only way we can combat the negative stereotypes out there.  Set the example everyone; get rid of it and let this man be.  Dog...your feelings are yours to have....try not to use that word..this way you will be better than those who do.  You can still tell your son that you do not approve of a black mate for him but just not use that word.  You may not want an Asian mate either.....your wishes...ok to tell your son but not ok. to treat the ladies bad because IT IS HIS CHOICE.  You choose yours and he chooses his....you don't have to accept them in your home either but you cannot impose your will on him and if you do not accept his choice then you will lose out on your grandchildren and THAT IS ALSO YOUR choice.  Don't worry about this politically correct crap....just don't insult anyone.  Choices are not insults they are JUST CHOICES.

I could not agree more myself, everyone makes their own choices and just like people want Dog to be held accountable for his actions, if we do not want people using the word than it should not be used by anyone. I will continue to post messages and I really do not care what anyone has to say about it. One of Dr. Phi's favorite sayings is; You teach people how to treat you. I believe that by using this word, as a African-American, we are then teaching others to use it and treat us that way also. I personally do not, and will not allow my children to listen to and/or associate with ANYONE who uses this word black, white, red, or green.....its WRONG!!!!!

 
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November 9, 2007, 7:23 am PST

Can you believe this?

I am totally against the use of  the "N" word, but I have to say that I find it humorous that of all the people to come on the show to accuse the Dog of being a racist  Master P shows up.  I'm sure that Master P is on tape saying the word on his albums more than anyone.  Master P is the same man who brags about being the "Ice Cream Man" selling drugs to people. And we're all supposed to respect his opinion on the topic?  I think not! 

Besides, I am well aware that the use of that word is wrong.  He should never have said it.  But at the same time Dog the Bounty Hunter has done wonderful things for his community.  He fights the war on drugs, and we condemn him for using an inappropriate word, and then invite a rapper on the show who makes money promoting drug usage, violence against women, and he calls his own people n*****.   What is really going on here?

 
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November 9, 2007, 7:23 am PST

The "world"

I agree with the idea of exposing kids to different people so they can function in the world.

 

However, is the Bishop aware that the current belief of Christians, at least here in the South, is that "the world" is of Satan and that all children must be protected from "the world," and that "the world" must be shunned by Christians because "the world" and anything "of the world" is not Christian?

 

As a Christian myself (although a liberal one), I am offended and shocked by this attitude.  I think this attitude reveals a lot of insecurity about one's beliefs.  But my point is that this attitude is a societal problem and I believe it's contributing to the recent increase in prejudice.  Even our yellow pages now has ads with signs of the fish in them, and local Christians shun other businesses.

 

The bigotry and prejudice practiced by modern Christianity is frightening.  I hear it every day at work, while shopping, and at social activities.  This division is very real and pervasive -- these poor kids are being brainwashed that anyone different from them in any way --- color, clothes, diet, beliefs, political leanings, etc., is evil and to be dismissed and avoided. 

 

Just an example:  While shopping for a house out in the country, I asked one homeowner why she was moving.  The response was that some little kid from India had just started coming to her daughter's school and she and her husband didn't want her daughter exposed to "those people because they're not Christian."  So, they wanted to move farther out into the country so they could protect their daughter from being exposed to "people and things of the world." 

 

My point in this post is that the very people who NEED the Bishop's message will be turned off by his reference to "the world."  I would suggest that he find a different phrase so perhaps, some of these people might actually read his book and learn something.

 
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November 9, 2007, 7:28 am PST

11/09 Debate Dr. Phil and the Bishop

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i am so sick of watching my language so as NOT to offend the africans...NOTE I DON'T say african -americans...i also dont say, white americans or mexican american or italian americans...how dare they try to take the name american ....that designation should be saved for NATIVE AMERICAN.. as for the n-word, i usually do not use it, but, NO AFRICAN will tell me i can not say any word , because THEY are racists.  al sharpton, jesse jackson are the BIGGEST RACISTS of all...just like MALCOM X..and martin luther king jr.  i have not seen the gentleman  you are having on ( i do not have his name in front of me) but i know i've seen him on a couple of programs seems like a good person. but, lets wait and see..a private conversation should stay between the two individuals..should dog have used the n-word thats up to him and his concience..

First of all it's spelt CONSCIENCE! I am a African- American female and in some ways I do agree with you but in other ways I do not. And that is why we live in the United States Of American. You are FREE to say what you want and do as you please  in the privacy of your own home, NOTICE I say privacy of your own home. If you want to use the "N" word or not put the word AMERICANS behind a name then fine thats your choice. BUT dont try to hide what you believe. DON'T make excuses for what you are, and what you believe. When you come OUTSIDE the security of your home stay true to yourself and your beliefs. And dont be moved if others start to scrutinize what you teach and believe in your home. Because diffrences in opinions are what makes the world go round. You are entitiled to be a RACIST if thats what you so choose BUT dont blame others because you choose to be IGNORANT!  Dog said what he said so now he should stay true to what he said dont  backdown now since it has been aired and say " OH, I thought I was cool enough in the African- American community to use that word."     THAT is what I call IGNORANT! I myself dont use that word in my community because I dont support the use of it by ANYONE including my community but thats my choice and i'm sticking to it!

 
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November 9, 2007, 7:29 am PST

Almost everyone has displayed racisim on this topic!!!!!!

I first would like to make it known that I am NOT saying this because I am black, this is a reply to everyone black and white alike. Almost everyone who has replied to this message board topic has displayed some form of racisim. Everyone wants to talk about how they are not racist, and then, seperate themselves from the other race. I am constantly seing "I'm not racists but Blacks......", or "I'm not racisist but Whites.......". Do you realize that not thinking of humans as a whole is the problem. When you do not empathize with someone you seperate yourself from their situation or their race or anything that is different from yourself, I causes you to lack empathy. What EVERYONE needs to do is step outside of themselves and see where the other person is coming from. Like someone stated earlier "We are all GODS children" so...work it out!!

 
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November 9, 2007, 7:30 am PST

Lost respect for Dr Phil

I have lost alot of respect for Dr Phil after todays show.  Everyone wants to put "Dog" against a wall becuase he said one word that people take racist.  I dont see you Dr Phil or the so called "Reveren Al Sharpton" blasting the black community when they use the "N" word.  Just like in the Jenna 6, yes, the white kids should be charged for a hate crime but Al Sharpton backed up these boys for beating another white kid who if I recall had nothing to do with the incident.  I think the next time a black person calls me a honkey, I going to take it to the extreme.  Im embaressed to live in a country where someone always owes someone and only certain rules and expectations are for certain race.
 
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November 9, 2007, 7:31 am PST

Dog and Birth Control

I didn't realize the man *Dog* had had the conversation in private with his son, and his son made it public.  Was what he said right?  No.  Should he lose his job/show over a private conversation, of course NOT.  It isn't as if he went on a public tirade.  Yes he is in a position of influence, respect etc, and he should be a good role model for those who look up to him, however he was doing that.  He has a right to his opinions, no matter how outdated, or "wrong".  He wasn't making them public and was being a "good public role model" by keeping his opinions and thoughts "private".

 

As for birth control being passed out to young children and the teaching of sex education in schools. Yes to both in my opinion.  I think parents should be made aware and consulted before a school gives out birth control, be it a condom or pills, just as parents have to sign a consent form for their children to be involved in sexual education courses.

 

Should parents be taking this role in their child's life OF COURSE.   Does this happen not always, and it is the children who pay.  Either with a STD, or a pregnancy that they are not able to handle. 

 

It would be best if children waited to have sex.  Of course it would.  But it would be putting on blinders and living in an idealic world to assume this is going to happen.  I would never forgive myself if all I told my daugther was to "just say no", and not give her the tools and knowledge should she decided against all better judgement to have sex, and she got pregnant, or got a STD.  Because despite all our best teachings, and advice, our "children" are develping "adults" and will make stupid mistakes, and decisions on their own that may conflict with what we told them.  In these cases to have them prepared with a 'Plan B' is the next best thing we can do. 


Just like when I was in high school, the MADD/SADD group told kids not to drink, and if they did not to drive.  They had us sign "pledges" that stated if we DID drink however that we would call our parents, and our parents signed to the fact that THAT night they would not lay into us and wait for the clear light of day to discuss things.  This group was not turning a blind eye to the fact that kids drink, they weren't saying well if we tell them to at least not drive we are ENCOURAGING them to drink.  No.  They were saying look, we warned them, we advised them not to drink but SHOULD they decide to do so, at least we can get them home safely.

 

It irks to me NO avail that to say that by giving a "child" teen, or tween a condom or birth control that we are infact encouraging them to have sex.  In a few cases I guess maybe the person would go "cool I have a condom I guess I can go do it".  Though to me that seems unlikely.  To me it seems that being prepared with a condom, or birth control pill would give another child/teen, a chance to make a mistake, and not pay for the rest of their lives for it. 


To say that you won't give your child a condom because it will "make them have sex" is akin to saying "I'm not going to tell my teen to buckle their seat belt because it will cause them to drive like a fool."  It is silly.  You teach them to drive safely, and obey the "rules of the road" but in the end they are only human, and to err is human.  And in situations either brought on by their own foolishness or by a sheer accident, isn't it nice to know that there is that seat belt there, as a back up to the knowledge that you sent your child out there with?

 
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