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From a celebrity’s controversial meltdown caught on tape to nooses cropping up around the country, Dr. Phil and Bishop T.D. Jakes tackle tough racial issues. First up, Dog the Bounty Hunter spewed slurs in a phone conversation with his son, Tucker, and used the N-word repeatedly when referring to Tucker’s black girlfriend, Monique. Monique’s mother, Linda Shinnery, joins the Dr. Phil show via satellite and says she was appalled by Dog’s tirade. Should the reality TV star lose his job over a private conversation? Civil rights activist Al Sharpton, rapper Master P, and BET correspondent Jeff Johnson weigh in. Then, nooses, a symbol of hatred for African-Americans, are cropping up more and more across the country – from Jena, Louisiana to Columbia University in New York. Najee Ali, founder and co-director of Project Islamic Hope, shares his views on empowering the black community and combating stereotypes. Don’t miss this intense debate about racism and sensitivity in America, and find out how you can educate your children. Join the discussion.

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November 9, 2007, 1:02 pm PST

Dawg The Bounty Hunter's Remarks

You know it is kinda rediculous that everyone is comparing Don Imus's and Mel Gibson's situation to Dawg's.  Dawg had a private conversation with his son.  If anyone should be called to task, it should be his son for an illegal wire tap.  I do not agree, nor do I condone what Dawg said, but I, as a disabled veteran, fought for his right to feel the way he does.  Just as you have your right to feel the way you do.  No I don't think his show should have been pulled. 

 

I don't blame Dawg for not coming on your show, which was so obviously stacked with "black" activists, against him.  Why should he subject himself to such biased ridicule.  And you know as well as I that is exactly what this whole show was all about-to ridicule the Dawg for having a private conversation with his son, who didn't have the common decency to respect his own father enough to discuss the situation man to man. 

 
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November 9, 2007, 1:02 pm PST

11/09 Debate Dr. Phil and the Bishop

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O.K. first of all African Americans are allowed to say it to each other , some prefer not to, but it is not right for Caucasians to say it when ever they want to, caucasians have their word to speak upon theirself , you have your flags and everything else to celebrate , but we have something else we celebrate, which is called BLACK HISTORY MONTH, which is in FEBRUARY, you need to listen and read more.. not tryna be RUDE, im makin a statement

How is it that blacks can be allowed to say it to each other? Does it all the sudden have a magical meaning when someone of color says it? Not everyone whose whhite associates that word with the negative meaning. I've called a coupe of my black friend the N-word years ago, and they didn't care because they knew I didn't mean it like that!  It was amazing, and something that everyone should embrace!
 
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November 9, 2007, 1:02 pm PST

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you no it stupid for people to even say it wrong to say the N-word. why is it black people can say it and white people can't say it?

i hate the word my self but you no it not right that the black people can and white people can. In my high school the black kids say it all the time and noting happens but when a white kid say it they say there going to jump them and stuff they get in trulbe for it. the word mean someone who is ignorant.

are schools are mess up, black kids dont even try to hang with the white kids. Im in a class with kids that are black and white there 9th,10th gr and im in the 11th. they talk about fights,guns,kill people. they say the N-word and ever other word.

its all becase we're difference. it does not matter what color you are people walk by me and call me name all the time no one no what EMO is or a Goth is anymorw just like people don't no what the N-word is.

 

 
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November 9, 2007, 1:03 pm PST

dog

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 What more does the DOG have to say or do?? I listened to both interviews he had with Shaun Hannity and Larry King! You are acting like he hasnt addressed the situation! If you couldnt see and hear the sorrow and pain in his voice and actions, then I dont think there is anything more he could do to explain how sorry he REALLY is!!  Just because he wouldnt appear on your show, I dont blame him, he has already bared his soul to the country!!! WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM THE MAN???? A public hanging? He does good work, where is that mentioned? NOWHERE!! Stop the crucifiction.

You go girl.  I totaly agree. Get over it already.

 

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November 9, 2007, 1:03 pm PST

11/09 Debate Dr. Phil and the Bishop

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I am so sick of whites asking black folk "what do I do to fight racism?"  Come on people.  Whites created race and racism.  They are the racists in society. Racism is race predjedice plus power! Blacks don't have the power to be racist.

 

Since whites created it, it's whites who have to end it. They have to correct all the wrongs that have been done in the name of racism. Most whites don't even think it's a problem.  I am white and I am married to a black man. I see on a daily basis the racism he has to deal with. It's endless!!!!  When I confront whites about their racist behavior, they say they aren't racist. Take a look at where whites live, work, the friends they have, the lovers they have, etc. White, white, white.  They don't want to be around Blacks.  We have white flight going on in our neighborhood right now. It's happening every where!! 

 

Whites need to get over themselves and get honest. The majority of whites are racist. Polls say it, studies say it, the census says it!  You benefit from white privilege every day and to say you don't means you're lying!  Get out there and correct this! 

boy it's people like you why racism occours, you try and give "white people"  to much power we are just people like you we can't control the world and if you have thoughts like that then you need to educate yourself more , because not 1 white person alive today had anything to do with slavery as well as not 1 black person alive had anything to do with slavery i will not have you repremand me for something i had no control over 100's of years ago
 
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November 9, 2007, 1:05 pm PST

It's not the same when whites say it!

Come on people!  The n word has a loooooong nasty history in this country.  It has been used to refer to Blacks as less than human.  (Remember 3/5 of a human that was actually written into law??)  Whites don't have a history of being called something with such hate and supremacy!  If you can't see that, you don't understand the very basics of race relations in this country!

 

It's not the same when a Black person uses the n word. Black folk are known for taking a negative and turning it into a positive. All oppressed people do it. When Black folk use the n word, it's a term of endearment. When whites use it, it's hate and racism. That is the history of the word. Whites will never be able to use that word in the same way as Blacks. You just aren't so get over it.

 

When Blacks called whites a name, it's not racist because racism is racial prejudice plus power. Blacks don't have the power.  It might be prejudice but the power aspect isn't there. Therefore, it's not racist. I urge every one to read some good books about race relations.  (whitewashing race, the great wells of democracy, white like me, american apartheid, another day at the front) to name just a few!!  Read Tim Wise's articles! That's who Phil should have had on the show.

 
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November 9, 2007, 1:06 pm PST

not just white/black too

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The fact of the matter is, is that Dog like everyone else is human.  The only thing that this shows me is that (and I have been saying this for years), is that white people whether they are rich or poor are racist!  And they just do a better job of covering it up.   Until they get caught lol lol.  Paris Hilton, Kramer...etc...all these people think it and thought it...just covered it up until they got caught.   Dog helps people?  Someone wrote that on this message board somewhere.  Well how the hell did he help this time around?  Well the answer for that for me is that he has proven what I have been always saying.  What I don't understand is why people are so surprised!  I used to watch his show (not knowing that he was referring to black people as N*****s), but that's over!  Even if they bring his show back I won't be watching it!  I stopped watching all reruns of  Seinfeld because of his comments! So THE DOG is no different as far as I am concerned.  I show my children these things when they happen time and time again so that they too can see racisim is very much alive and it isn't going anywhere...people just do a better job of hiding it...that is until they get caught...well oh then it's I'm sorry, I didn't mean it the way it sounded...bullshit...u said it, own it!  It's so funny to me that he's prays to the high heavens all the time on his show....he needs to be asking Jesus to take the hate and ugliness out of his heart....and more importantly, 'What does he think that God is sleeping when he is calling us this.  People don't realize that when anyone calls N***** that they are talking about all black people, because all black people have history related to this name.  I say to  DOG get over yourself and your show...and how would he react if people said where calling him a greasy head hippie? and his wife well looks like a straight up whore?   Bet he wouldn't like that too much...but hey everyone has an opinion and mine is the hell with Dog and ever other racist out there...but don't be so surprised to know that a lot of black people think and know that most if not all white people are racist....even these people that date outside of their race!  I

I have a question for people out there? Does anybody read their history books?..who was the first to have black slaves...if u said a white man...u did not read your history...it was a black man..and he traded or sold his slaves to a white man later on.  Yes...and who freed the slaves? not a black man...it was a white man..should I say his name. Read your history. 

 

I am a woman from Louisiana ...not proud of it sometimes...especially since the Jena 6 has been going on.  This is all we are hearing down here.  Racist this ...racist that...its not JUST white people who r racist...our blacks r too down here.  I have worked with several black women and men...I have worked with the hispanic culture too...we all work together.  Dog was having a private conversation on the phone with his son Tucker.  Honestly...I think Tucker has issues with his dad cause his dad would not bail him out.  But does anynoe remember the ephoside where Dog went after the guy that set Tucker up? I did...I think it was totally wrong that Tucker did this...but also...Dog was taped...and now all america is throwing a fit cause he said the "n" word.  Where I work...no one...and I mean NO ONE can call anyone any names or u r fired..which i believe is fair.  There was a big issue with one black boy calling another black boy the 'n" word...it was heard and both were let go.  My sister dates only black men and my nephew is part black.  I have black friends and most of them have been most of my life.  I am tired of all the damn whining.  I m tired of hearing about the Jena 6.  Where I live....Im about 45 min from there and still..somehow...it turns its ugly little headour way...and starts up more things going on.  Yes  there were nooses hung from a tree...and it was soooooooooooooo wrong for them to do that.  But the Jena 6 beat a boy to almost a bloody pulp...that is a crime.  U can't beat the hell out of someone and get away with it...that boy they beat up didn't even have anything to do with the nooses in the first place.  I think it is wrong how the principal handled the situation in the first place with the nooses.  If we all want to make a differance.....start with love thy neighbor....so..our neighber could be white ,black hispanic indaian muslam   , come on...and  to the ones who call each other the "n" word....what r u proving to your children? our children r our future...They will be running this country...when we are old...which right now...scares the hell out of me.  There is racism on both side...blacks and whites...

 

Dog deserves another chance...he has done good...I know alot of bounty hunters...grew up with law enforcement in my family....and they do and did not show the respect to a bail jumper like Dog does.  Give him a break...he made a mistake...he's not perfect....just like us....he is HUMAN...we all belong to one race....The HUMAN Race...get with it people...drop all this damn racism...my grandchildren gotta grow up in this mess?...

 

Its not just religous "freaks" who r racist....racist comes in ALL colors ...maybe thats what is wrong with our Nation....people who don't believe in anything..want to make it hard for those who have a religion...and believe in something.  Our nation is falling apart...what r we going to do? Let our children deal with this when they grow up...they grew up listiening to all this crap going on....don't u think they will be bitter...and hatred going on...pointing fingers at other races? omg...wake up...we need to come together...or our future is in big trouble.

 
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November 9, 2007, 1:06 pm PST

The race topic

I can understand  that race is an issue lately with the dissmissal of  famous people  from there jobs or how people play the race card when some one thinks they get unfair treatment. I am a property manager for a property  in florida I have had people accuse me of charging them a late fee because they were black or I am some white chick wanting extra money and that I HAVE TREATED THEM UNFAIRLY. My job My home has been threatened because I dont belong to the local church. I know how all of you feel as a person who is part Native American I have seen the abused by other people I have been taunted when I was in school. I have been spit on, I have been beat up, I have seen others beaten. I have been denied a job because of my race, I have been misstreated at work and called nasty Indian,that I don't know better. and why do I dare have the gaul to be alive and that I should of Died like the ones who died before me.

It is so sad that a people with a very rich culture be pushed to the back and not reconised by there own community. We do not even have a month to celebrate our heratage. There is black heritage month There is hispanic heritage month. In the history books we look like evil savages people who eat dirt and who kill and don't know better.  I have been ther seen that and I know what it is like. I would like to see all Native american also be reconised and see these proud people for who they truely are. The True First Americans.

 
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November 9, 2007, 1:07 pm PST

11/09 Debate Dr. Phil and the Bishop

Quote From: lucky24

THANK YOU for being the voice of reason and honesty. 

THAT is so WRONG , how are you gonna put the NAACP out there like that , you must be e pretty good racist person yourself, every African American is not judgemental, you ARE A SICK PERson , ima african american and i am offended say somethin bout that , i love every race, you just gotta think before you say every colored person says names about ya'll.........  you need a life

 
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November 9, 2007, 1:08 pm PST

11/09 Debate Dr. Phil and the Bishop

We need to worry about how to not hate each other in general, notjust the words asscoiated with the subject. So someone said a word, big deal. We all say words all the time, some we don't mean, and we apologize if it gets to bad. We don't get plastered on the television for what we say, becasue we aren't famous...

 

And the day will come when nooses will be an "inapproate halloween decoration" because it's a racist symbol. In case you didn't know, hanging was the perferd method of execution for prety much everybody back in the day. Pirates, witches, prisoners of war, criminals, ect...so nooses aren't just asscoiated with blacks. There I said it! What, no one is saying the gas chamber for executing criminals is anti-semetic?

 
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