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Topic : 11/09 Debate Dr. Phil and the Bishop

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From a celebrity’s controversial meltdown caught on tape to nooses cropping up around the country, Dr. Phil and Bishop T.D. Jakes tackle tough racial issues. First up, Dog the Bounty Hunter spewed slurs in a phone conversation with his son, Tucker, and used the N-word repeatedly when referring to Tucker’s black girlfriend, Monique. Monique’s mother, Linda Shinnery, joins the Dr. Phil show via satellite and says she was appalled by Dog’s tirade. Should the reality TV star lose his job over a private conversation? Civil rights activist Al Sharpton, rapper Master P, and BET correspondent Jeff Johnson weigh in. Then, nooses, a symbol of hatred for African-Americans, are cropping up more and more across the country – from Jena, Louisiana to Columbia University in New York. Najee Ali, founder and co-director of Project Islamic Hope, shares his views on empowering the black community and combating stereotypes. Don’t miss this intense debate about racism and sensitivity in America, and find out how you can educate your children. Join the discussion.

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November 8, 2007, 6:18 am PST

Seriously?

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The fact of the matter is, is that Dog like everyone else is human.  The only thing that this shows me is that (and I have been saying this for years), is that white people whether they are rich or poor are racist!  And they just do a better job of covering it up.   Until they get caught lol lol.  Paris Hilton, Kramer...etc...all these people think it and thought it...just covered it up until they got caught.   Dog helps people?  Someone wrote that on this message board somewhere.  Well how the hell did he help this time around?  Well the answer for that for me is that he has proven what I have been always saying.  What I don't understand is why people are so surprised!  I used to watch his show (not knowing that he was referring to black people as N*****s), but that's over!  Even if they bring his show back I won't be watching it!  I stopped watching all reruns of  Seinfeld because of his comments! So THE DOG is no different as far as I am concerned.  I show my children these things when they happen time and time again so that they too can see racisim is very much alive and it isn't going anywhere...people just do a better job of hiding it...that is until they get caught...well oh then it's I'm sorry, I didn't mean it the way it sounded...bullshit...u said it, own it!  It's so funny to me that he's prays to the high heavens all the time on his show....he needs to be asking Jesus to take the hate and ugliness out of his heart....and more importantly, 'What does he think that God is sleeping when he is calling us this.  People don't realize that when anyone calls N***** that they are talking about all black people, because all black people have history related to this name.  I say to  DOG get over yourself and your show...and how would he react if people said where calling him a greasy head hippie? and his wife well looks like a straight up whore?   Bet he wouldn't like that too much...but hey everyone has an opinion and mine is the hell with Dog and ever other racist out there...but don't be so surprised to know that a lot of black people think and know that most if not all white people are racist....even these people that date outside of their race!  I

I just have to speak up here.  I take great exception to this entire post.  "White people whether they are rich or poor are racist!"  That is the biggest LIE I have ever heard in my life.  Talk about making judgments!  Are you any better than those that call black people N*****s?  You obviously don't know many white people, or you wouldn't make a stupid statement like that.

 

What about the racism that is acted out against white people??  Do you know that you can get a job before I can even if I may be more qualified??  Do you know that because you are a "minority" (which I completely disagree with at this point in America) you can get discounts on college tuition and I cannot because I am white??

 

I do not agree with anyone speaking down to black people and calling them names.  But on the same note, don't you think that your statement is just as rude??  Not all white people are racist.  That's just not true.

 

In general in this country, people get offended by every little thing.  Why?  Did he call YOU a N*****?  No, I don't think so.  Dog's conversation was private and it needs to stay that way.  His son's girlfriend should be the one speaking up and telling him to shut up.  I can't justify his statements, and I don't want to, nor should anyone attempt to.  It was a mean statement.  But to turn around and make a mean statement against all white people is just as bad.  So, consider yourself on his level now.

 

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November 8, 2007, 6:22 am PST

It all begins with me

I think it is so very sad that these people just don't get it. Why are their wars in this world? It is because their is war inside an individual which spills out into their family, community, province or state, their country, their world. May God help us. Accept yourself and maybe then you can accept others no matter who or what they are. A song I used to sing with my 2 and 3 year old Sunday School Children has a part that goes, " red and yellow, black and white, they are (all) precious in His sight".

Just to let you know, I am a white 60 year old granmother - to - be, and I know the parents will instill that message in this precious one's heart. Bishop T.D. Jakes, I want you to know that I am well blessed by the Bible you wrote,"Woman Thou Art Loosed". May God bless both you and Dr. Phil as you continue this work together.

 
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November 8, 2007, 6:25 am PST

11/09 Debate Dr. Phil and the Bishop

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A private telephone conversation, should have been just that "private"! What a father says to a child in private, even if it's to emphasize a specific situtation using words that will get through to that child, even if they are grown adults..is THEIR business. Yes! The words that were used were degrading and they were a poor choice of words at that, but add frustration, anger etc. to the formula and you have slurs against a race/creed/ or life style.

I see more and more the "fear" of people who are not like us;every where. Growing up, I lived in an all white community but there was still predjudice. Often I heard slurs made about Italians, Irish and German people and it was confusing to say the least because I just saw people as PEOPLE! I decided at a young age to continue accepting people for whom they are, as long as they were good, kind people.

By the time I was in High School, only then did I get to meet and befriend teenagers , who's parents came from another country. Only then did I meet black American's, even then not knowing anything about gay's, met them also.Did I call them names or was I afraid of them NO, they were my friends.

Knowing nationalities was a gourmet feast! I learned that real Italian food was better than what my mother  made, that there was something called Kilbasi and Perigois etc.This international feasting changed the way I ate for the rest of my life.It was also a learning experience and in my travels, breaking bread with a new culture was my way of learning about the people.

 

My father grew up in Panama as a child, when the USA was building the Panama Canal, his father was an engineer. He talked about his time there with love and reverance for the natives, he reffered to them as colored, as many of the natives were mixed white and black.So, I never heard the N word used in our household.

Fast forward, one day I asked my father how to get to a place in Brooklyn by train. In turn he remarked..why do you want to go there? Well, I was invited for lunch by my friend. He said..that's an all colored neighborhood! Yes, dad, my friend is colored, so what difference does that make? It's NOT safe and I don't want you to go. Needless to say I went and had a great time and was unscathed.What made me preplexed about my fathers concern was how loveingly he talked about his growing up with colored and now he didn't want me to have a black friend?

It seems that Americans have forgotten how this country was settled by the Dutch. English etc. The English gentry were sent to America to start plantations, suppling cotton to Europe. At first prisoners and indentured servants were sent but the plantations grew and need more people to work. Slavery was know since Biblical times and natives of Africa were easy prey. They were captured like animals and brought to the South, sold as slaves to the palantation owners. Over two hundred years more than 20 million black slaves were killed one way or the other! More died than the Holocaust of WW 2.

 

Then what about the American Native......they were also slaughterd by the thousands and they were here FIRST! Out of FEAR, they were killed off and the US Goverment contained them under deplorable conditions, instead of learning about WHO and WHAT they were as a people.

Yes, we call our selves Americans from the Greatest Country in the WORLD, BUT if another human is different from us we , out of FEAR call them names. Sounds childish doesn't it?

 

Insead of using expleatives when talking about something we fear, this country should STOP SHOPPING and start TALKING to each other, to find out HOW the other person thinks, feels about the human condition in America.After all we are ALL in this together !

 

Maggie

 

You said your father said the neighborhood was all colored and dangerous. I didn't hear " I don't want you to have a black friend". The nieghborhood being dangerous was probably a fact not a racist statement. People need to learn the difference between facts and racism. If the someone says there is more crime in the black nieghborhoods that is a fact not a racist statement. There are statistics that back these statements up. If people don't like the facts they need to do something to change them. Start in your own homes.
 
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November 8, 2007, 6:28 am PST

Too bad!

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Dog, when blacks use the name, it has a totally different meaning. When other people use it, it is meant to degrade you as a human being and to say, there's something less than human about you. My ex girl friend, who was black would once in a while call me the "N" name, but the meaning she has in mind is not what the bounty hunter had. The "N" word dehumanizes and makes it alright to view the person as some kind of animal.

Do you really think we buy that message?  Don't tell me that one word can be used by black community and the white community cannot use it because they mean it in "another way".  You all either use it or we all need to lose it!  We will take our cue from you!!!  Nothing gets under my skin more that someone saying "I can...but you can't!"  You need to accept some responsibility and change your usage of the word before you expect others to do the same.

 
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November 8, 2007, 6:34 am PST

We CAN all get along!

While growing up in the 60's, my parents and church taught us to be tolerant and respectful to ALL people. I don't care who we are, but we ALL have to change our attitudes toward each other. Every race is just as bad as the next. It is about choices. How do you choose to treat your neighbor? We are ALL AMERICANS!
 
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November 8, 2007, 6:37 am PST

The debate

They should have Damon Wynans on too.  He put a lot of this into perspective yesterday on The View.  I don't usually watch The View but caught it.

 

We are getting way out of hand whenever anyone does or says anything.  If it offends you than don't listen or watch or whatever.   Political correctness is gone overboard. 

 

People should get the whole story instead of only parts of it.  Before jumping to conclusions and pointing fingers We really need to find a common ground but people need to stop being so sensitive over ignorance.  How about pointing out the ignorance rather than calling for peoples heads/jobs over a stupid comment they made.  Why do we need press conferences and consolers for this stuff like...

 

Imus--no he shouldn't have called those girls names but so what. Did it really hurt them. Did they really care what he thought about them.  How many of them had even heard of him?  He shouldn't have lost his job. No, He should have just said, I shouldn't have said it I will try better in the future.  That is what I try to tell the kids in day care when some calls them stupid or fat or whatever.... Sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me.  Are adults are acting worse than 2nd graders over stupid comments.

 

 

Jena--Wow, I really think this went overboard.  Those kids obviously did not want to kill that young man.  In the heat of the moment they got carried away.  He didn't die (yes he could have with one wrongly aimed kick  but he didn't)  yes assault, suspension and maybe some community service.  As for the young man who was in adult jail over this.  He did have a previous record for violence.  I think people need to be treated the same according to what they did and their previous records.  We are ruining to many lives by the way we react to things.  People like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson need to spend their time trying to mentoring young men, teaching and supporting others into mentors rather than stirring up trouble.

 

Dog--Private conversation, he thinks those things so he will say them.  Most of the people he deals with(white, black, yellow, brown) are criminals.  He is used to that type of language and stuff.  He should not talk about someone in his family like that but I don't know the story behind why he feels that way. But is it really any of our business?  We should wonder what he son is trying to do/start since he was taping a private conversation.  I will not judge a family dispute I don't live his life or deal with his son and his girlfriend.  It is not my place to judge.  As long as he doesn't speak to people he doesn't know like that, some random lady at the store why do we care.

 

I know that his opinion will not be popular. But we need more common sense in today's world.   I think unfortunately there are many prejudice people out there on many different subjects.  But we really are nit picking and getting our feelings hurt a little to much.  Some things (not all) you can just shrug off and realize that its ignorance talking. 

 

 

 
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November 8, 2007, 6:38 am PST

Punishment

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Chrissy06, I noticed that when you responded, you never mentioned punishment! This is a grown man! He should know by now that it was wrong before he said it. Obvisiousy he has been practicing this word and had not gotten caught using it frequently! So when you say he has a good show, SO WHAT! Some sort of punishment should come out of it! I can tell from your response you are not African American! Only because you are so non chalant!

Do you really believe this man should lose his job over what he said in a private conversation?  It's a sad day when our thoughts(whatever they are) cannot come out of our mouths in a private conversation and somehow be used against us.  It's really sad that his own son sold the conversation. That relationship will never be the same.  He is entitled to his thoughts and opinions without judgement from others.  Why is everyone so thin skinned all of the sudden?  Do you want to cast the first stone??  I hardly think so.

 

 
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November 8, 2007, 6:38 am PST

AMEN to this person

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Dog got embarrassed and apologized abjectly. He thought he was using that word in a cool way and there's never really an acceptable way to use it, according to me and most other people. However, I'm tired of black activists having everyone by the throat on issues like this. This man is not a hater of black people and neither is Michael Richards. Crushing their careers is like lynching black people in the Old South.

We have Laws for Whites & Different Laws for Blacks.  I'm from the south and I enough is enough.

Blacks have so many more rights than anyone else.  To bad they don't act better.  They are rude, loud,

hateful & they bring on themselves what happens to them.

I was raising my children by myself and went to apply for Food stamps, I had 5 children, worked for $5.00 per hour, no over time and had to move overtime the rent went up.  The Black lady there told me I was the right color and they couldn't help me.

They make their own life the hell it is.  If you don't like things here go live somewhere else. Especially the ones that always start trouble.  It isn't all blacks, just the ones with the attitudes.

Don't believe in interracial marriages, the children are the ones the suffer.

 
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November 8, 2007, 6:38 am PST

Dog the Bounty Hunter - Not my Program of Choice

There 's nothing about him or his program that's ever appealed to me.  Nothing redeeming at all really.  The fact he turns out to be rascist is no surprise.
 
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November 8, 2007, 6:39 am PST

WHAT!!!!!!

Quote From: sahalu

Dog, when blacks use the name, it has a totally different meaning. When other people use it, it is meant to degrade you as a human being and to say, there's something less than human about you. My ex girl friend, who was black would once in a while call me the "N" name, but the meaning she has in mind is not what the bounty hunter had. The "N" word dehumanizes and makes it alright to view the person as some kind of animal.

I am a 26 year old African-American, Black, Black American, or whatever you want to call it and I am appalled at your statement. NO, it is not appropriate for ANYONE to use the N-word as it is a term of hatred, degradation and disrespect to many. That ignorant word is not allowed in my home, and if used in my presence by ANYONE, I voice my opinion about it. I do not get angry because yes I do understand the ways of the world, and am realistic to understand that this is a problem that will, more than likely, never die. However; I am not required to add to the ignorance or the disrespect, and have the right to say so. Someone said that if we want others to stop using the word, we should stop and they are absolutely right!!! We are a race that, although I hate to admit it, people expect us to be unintelligent, rude, disrespectful, deceitful, lazy, ignorant, loud, abrasive, and just plain trifling. Now in my opinion, if we want others to stop feeling that way then we (as a people) need to PROVE THEM WRONG. In no way am I saying that every single person, of every single race, nor that ALL black people behave this way, but as we all know, majority rules and "we need to do better". I wrote a poem regarding this whole situation and I don’t believe anything says it better than this:                                                                                                        

 

Oftentimes I just sit and contemplate the mind,
A devine creation, hardly used and often abused
By those who are afraid to just...
wonder, think, believe, feel, DREAM
Ever Wonder...
WHO will help us shake these feelings of
oppretion, desperation, and laziness?
WHAT will happen to those of us who insist that we
can't, won't, or shouldn't?
WHEN we will replace these negatives with positives
such as can, do, and will?
WHY we can not just stand together as one and shout
"NO MORE!"
WHERE you will be when the revolution evolves and
causes and IMPACT?
Ever wonder...
HOW we could wonder the answer to these questions and
still not have done anything?
Never Ever Wonder... take action!
"A closed mouth never gets fed."

 

 
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