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Topic : 11/09 Debate Dr. Phil and the Bishop

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From a celebrity’s controversial meltdown caught on tape to nooses cropping up around the country, Dr. Phil and Bishop T.D. Jakes tackle tough racial issues. First up, Dog the Bounty Hunter spewed slurs in a phone conversation with his son, Tucker, and used the N-word repeatedly when referring to Tucker’s black girlfriend, Monique. Monique’s mother, Linda Shinnery, joins the Dr. Phil show via satellite and says she was appalled by Dog’s tirade. Should the reality TV star lose his job over a private conversation? Civil rights activist Al Sharpton, rapper Master P, and BET correspondent Jeff Johnson weigh in. Then, nooses, a symbol of hatred for African-Americans, are cropping up more and more across the country – from Jena, Louisiana to Columbia University in New York. Najee Ali, founder and co-director of Project Islamic Hope, shares his views on empowering the black community and combating stereotypes. Don’t miss this intense debate about racism and sensitivity in America, and find out how you can educate your children. Join the discussion.

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November 9, 2007, 7:22 pm PST

Sadly...

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What happened to the phrase 'sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me'?

All these different shows that keep constantly talking about racism and black and white and name calling just makes racism even worse not better.  People are never going to get along better when television shows keep sensationalizing on it and keeping it going.  It's ridiculuous to make such a big deal out of the color of someone's skin and this just is making the anger between color of skin and the hate crimes more awful than it already is.  Let it go and have something on the show that's worth watching like everyday problems that people are dealing with and give some solutions, not just refer them to someone in their area that can give them therapy and advice.  We would like to hear the advice that is offered to them.

 

Try that for something new!!!!!

Sadly, its because certain words served as a precurser to the breaking of one's bones with sticks and stones.  Its that same kind of "bury my head in the sand and don't talk about it" attitude, that has kids in Jena, LA confused about why hanging nooses from a tree (to discourage blacks from sitting under it) is wrong.
 
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November 9, 2007, 7:23 pm PST

Disapointed

I work in retail... and there are days when (like Al Bundy) I come home, put my hand in my pants, and complain about the fat lady at the shoe store.  Do I tell the fat lady that she's fat or that she got under my skin?  Of course not...  Do I need to come home to the safety of my friends and family and vent?  YES..   Do I hate fat people?  Again, of course not... 

 

Dog's unfiltered thoughts may not have been politically correct.  But they were private words and thoughts that were exploited and dragged into the jury of public opinion. So here is mine. If Dog were black, he wouldn't have turned a head with his words, much less made the National Enquirer. 

 

Dr Phil, I'm sad and surprised that you could you throw the first stone.  I wish you had talked to Dog before throwing him to the lions.  It's understandable to me why he'd be reluctant to risk further damage to his reputation by speaking out right now .  I'm sure his lawyers are even more concerned.  But a little patience on your part may have delivered a more positive message than the one I saw today. 

 
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November 9, 2007, 7:28 pm PST

you teach your kids racism/

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Sounds to me like you're the biggest racist on the board.... and instilling it in your children to boot. Shame. That's why we're in this boat. "All white people".... you're doing the very thing you're complaining about. Maybe you should take a good long look in the mirror and try to become part of the solution instead of part of the problem.
Wow. now that just goes to show what i have known all along, black people instill in thier kids racism, racism, racism, so when they grow up, they Look for it, even when its not there, JUST LIKE YOUR PARENTS OBVIOUSLY DID WITH YOU. You say he helps people, with a question mark.  WHAT IS THAT ?  Have you not seen the people he helps? you say you watched his show, well you must have liked what he did to help keep the streets clean and help people get clean, now because of ONE THING  all of a sudden he is a horrible person. but its okay that Master P  and his lyrics get applause and people cheered him on and laughed ? How can that audience si there and applaud him with what he said is ten times worse than DOG AND HE IS A BLACK MAN, OH BUT THAT WHAT I GUESS MAKES IT OKAY. N*** CAN CALL EACH OTHER THAT, THATS RIGHT.
 
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November 9, 2007, 7:29 pm PST

Correction...

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I work in retail... and there are days when (like Al Bundy) I come home, put my hand in my pants, and complain about the fat lady at the shoe store.  Do I tell the fat lady that she's fat or that she got under my skin?  Of course not...  Do I need to come home to the safety of my friends and family and vent?  YES..   Do I hate fat people?  Again, of course not... 

 

Dog's unfiltered thoughts may not have been politically correct.  But they were private words and thoughts that were exploited and dragged into the jury of public opinion. So here is mine. If Dog were black, he wouldn't have turned a head with his words, much less made the National Enquirer. 

 

Dr Phil, I'm sad and surprised that you could you throw the first stone.  I wish you had talked to Dog before throwing him to the lions.  It's understandable to me why he'd be reluctant to risk further damage to his reputation by speaking out right now .  I'm sure his lawyers are even more concerned.  But a little patience on your part may have delivered a more positive message than the one I saw today. 

Dog has been speaking out.  He's even been of FOX news (Hannity and Colmes).  And I disagree with your assessment about what would have happened if he'd been black.  Remember Isaiah Washington (spelling) from Grey's Anatomy?  He lost his job because he referred to his co-star as "a faggot".
 
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November 9, 2007, 7:29 pm PST

SO TYPICAL...

I have this show recorded & have watched only half of it and I am so enraged!  Dr. Phil has turned out to be such a disappointment!!  First of all--WHY have Al  Sharpton , one of the BIGGEST closet racists, on a show like this? He is a well known trouble maker and I cannot fathom how his opinion would matter--THEN, after the rap guy and the former NAACP guy & Phil  have a breakdown over Dog the Bounty Hunter saying what he said, they have a HUGE LAUGH AT THE RAP GUYS OBSCENE LYRICS AND HOW MUCH HE USES THE "WORD" IN HIS MUSIC!!! Now all of a sudden its FUNNY!! But just a second ago, because a white person said it, the world is going to explode!  Get a grip Doc, you cannot have it both ways!!  If you are going to slam the white people, you should do the same to the black people.  Now  the Dog person shouldn't have said what he said, but he has a right to his opinion & I BET Doc wouldn't have a show on what a black guy called a white guy.....something to think about!!!  This is LA at its best!  oh, and I caught the slam towards the South.....very tacky!  I don't need to watch the rest of this nonsense--ANYONE can see where this is going--Again, I am usually a fan of Dr. Phil's show, but some of this was too biased for me.....
 
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November 9, 2007, 7:30 pm PST

amen

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Sadly, its because certain words served as a precurser to the breaking of one's bones with sticks and stones.  Its that same kind of "bury my head in the sand and don't talk about it" attitude, that has kids in Jena, LA confused about why hanging nooses from a tree (to discourage blacks from sitting under it) is wrong.

Finally someone on here with some sense!!!!

 

I was starting to lose faith!

LOL

 
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November 9, 2007, 7:32 pm PST

11/09 Debate Dr. Phil and the Bishop

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This is the truth as I know it also.

It is time the NAACP start educating your people as to the real truth.

I do not support racism either, but it is your group that is making it a reality in the USA.

You don't hear all this garbage in other countries.

Bring your children up with manners and respect and maybe you could help change the world.

Accept your responsibility and start in your homes.

I pick up my grandson at the bus stop and I hear the N word all the time from 1st graders.  I've even seen them at the bus stop de pants each other.  How disgusting all this is you start your children at birth that you are different.  Well you are NOT.  You are a human so start acting like one.

Outstanding... very very well said.
 
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November 9, 2007, 7:34 pm PST

Freedom of Speech

I'm not a racist person, nor do I think the N word should be used freely.  I find it offensive.  Although I don't like what Dog said, that doesn't not mean I think he should be penalized by yanking his show.  There is a thing we have in America called the 1st Ammendment that guarantees the freedom of speech.  It does not have any clauses which states that they only have that freedom until they say something we don't like.  So I really think that people should just look the other way.  Anyone can say what they want...but that doesn't mean everyone has to listen to it.  It really pisses me off when people get all offended because someone isn't  living the way that particular person sees as fit.  If you don't like something, don't look, listen, pay attention or whatever.  Just change the channel, turn off the radio, and/or shut up and walk away.  How hard is that?
 
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November 9, 2007, 7:34 pm PST

Alice in wonderland...

 

Look, Duane Chapman is a 7th grade educated ex-con, and when you hear him talk, it shows. It also shows, I think, that his heart is in the right place.  I do not watch his show.  I started writing this before I saw today’s show; I was moved to write after seeing a promo that featured Dr Phil saying Chapman had "ducked" the interview.  Well, my guess is that his lawyers advised him to do Larry King and that was enough. For a celebrity to go on and on about something like this is just not probably even mentally healthy for the person.  Likewise with having contacted his son's girlfriend.  On Larry King he said his son "had better marry her" at this point, because of the whole controversy they are going through.  I really don't think this guy's a racist.  He says he thought he had reason to believe she was getting him to put his parole at risk and after only having served 4 yrs of a 20 yr stint, he was emotional about the situation, because it would mean his son going back for 16 more years…  That doesn’t' make calling her names right---he admits that.   And he now knows that what he THOUGHT to be true about the girl is NOT true.

This whole thing of people in the spotlight getting shunned over vocabulary is a bit crazy to me.  I don't want to go backwards in time to where we didn't let certain people do certain things, but it's gotten a little confusing.  We have the whole music industry GLORIFYING hate, bad words, WOMANIZING, and violence.  Imus and Chapman both felt, it seems to me, that they somehow were in a vocabulary safe zone.  This kind of language is prevalent, and it’s use is mixed up and confusing.  This is not an excuse—I personally agree with TD Jakes when he said our village is sick.  He’s right, and it’s not just because we have sexy toothpaste commercials.  But also because we think we need $30 tooth whitening “systems” that we charge to our credit cards (and can’t really afford) cause we glorify the cult of celebrity and being like everyone else more than almost anything in America these days. More than things like personal responsibility, more than dignity and pride.

What would bother me is if this show turns out to be what it sounds like on the promos:  more Enquirer-like jumping on the bandwagon to make money off a private conversation that MAY HAVE BEEN ILLEGALLY RECORDED. In some states, of course, that's the case.  These people have been trying to catch him saying things they could make money off of for some time.  Come on, people.  It's just perverse, that they would take a kid who gets out of prison--and I think he went in young--and ply him with a small amount of money to put this out.  It's SAD.  They are fomenting "racial" tensions.  They are feeding off our propensity to believe what we hear without investigating it--and they are making POTS of money.  And the Chapman segment on the show today??  It turned out to be just that:  MORE fomenting.  Areva Martin is a LAWYER and thinks Chapman should lose his job over a recording of a private conversation??  What?? I’m with the former head of the NAACP who said that if we do that, we are on a slippery slope.  You don’t have to be a lawyer to know that.

OK...The whole situation in Jena confirmed that there is some underlying, seething discontent in the black community in America.  Duh.  And if you'll notice, the holy rollers (people like Jesse Jackson) were NOT the ones LEADING the movement southward.  It was a people's movement; the mouthpieces attached themselves kinda at the last minute.  The bulk of the momentum was gathered online, no doubt by young people.

This also was the first incident I had heard of ANYONE in the US hanging a noose--maybe in my lifetime (other than maybe at the annual Nazi Rally in Skokie, Illinois, and the like, which we all just had to kind of accept as them having the right to do their own thing.)  And you know what??  I think if that story had not gone beyond the borders of LA we would NOT NOT NOT be having nooses appearing elsewhere.  

  

This is only making it worse.  Black people have said there is racism everywhere for a long time.  It’s subtle; it’s pervasive.  Really??  I just don’t see it.  I don’t treat people badly, my friends don’t; I don’t SEE it (I live in a very mixed community.) Recently, I finally decided, hey, you know, I’ve never seen a list of these racist things we are doing.  Show me a list. I can’t fix what I don’t know I’m doing wrong.  I’m like the lady in the audience who grew up believing racism is a thing of the past, because we were not raised that way.  Period.  We don’t see anybody as less than we are.  One of my sister’s best friends is a black woman who is a cardiologist with her own practice. Black people DO achieve things in America. (Do you know how much drive and determination it takes to become a cardiologist??  A lot more than it takes to become a PhD psychologist…lol)  That's what we see.  People being nice to each other--we are not scared of black people nor do we have reason to dislike them.  We do not use racial slurs. 
 

  

I heard recently—perhaps on the Dr Phil show, that 7 out of 10 white people have NO racist feelings whatsoever, and the others vary in degree of racist feelings.  How can you say we have not made progress?  Seventy percent is FAR from what I’d like to see ultimately, but come on!!!  We aren’t living in the 50’s, 60’s, or 70’s anymore. When my parents were growing up in the south, it was COMPLETELY segregated.  People date across races in America at much higher rates than ever before.  I think we were doing pretty well.  And frankly??  I’m MUCH more worried about black guys KILLING each other, like Najee said.  It’s awful—fifty percent of black young men don’t finish high school??  THAT’S a problem I’m interested in.  So what I’m white?!?!?!  THIS IS MY VILLAGE.  And part of it is way off in the ditch.  People who have little or no choice as to where to live are afraid to help the police solve crimes against their neighbors because if they do they risk their own safety.   THAT worries me.  Little kids have to grow up in those neighborhoods.  OUR little kids. 

  

I think we have to be very careful where we shine our very powerful spotlight.  Do we shine it on a private conversation between two arguably sort of messed up ex-cons? A desperate kid selling out his dad for a tv and a truck??  Are these the people we want lighting the fire of our racial debates? Really??  Come on.  We have problems.  We really do.  We all KNOW we should not use these words, though honestly, it is a confusing mess, with some people IN THE BLACK community still clinging to the right to use the word (and really, it is just a word…it’s the MEANING that hurts)…so what the heck do we do.  We raise a ruckus, cause it’s politically correct…but it seems to be stirring up so much CRAP that wasn’t really there before. 

  

How about looking to people like Harold Washington, former mayor of Chicago.  First black mayor of Chicago, a city that had been corrupt, rife with racial iniquities… Harold Washington did not play to people’s worst fears.  His motto was we are going to be “fairer than fair.”  There were black politicians who railed against him, saying, “NO!! Now that we have the power, we have to give our people MORE than the others.”  He did not bow to it.  And now, 20 years after his death, people in Chicago who used to turn away from their party if their candidate was black DON’T anymore. And this is true even of people who identify themselves as RACIST.  Harold Washington left a great legacy in the city of Chicago—one that we can follow, one that we can emulate--one that the current mayor IS emulating.  Who is it that says this is not the white US or the black US, but the United States of America??  Barack Obama, I think???  We CANNOT afford to play to these fears.  We HAVE to unite and solve our problems together.   

  

I think some of this worry about who said what, to magnify it, to be blasted with it, in the face of the kind of progress people like Harold Washington are leaving in their wakes is scary.  We have some bad stuff going on.  But, we have people like Oprah Winfrey, (who had a show today featuring The Osmond Family--how’s THAT for contrast???), Barack Obama, Colin Powell, Bill Cosby, EdD., Rev TD Jakes, Alvin Poussaint, MD who are blazing trails of achievement across America.  If they can do what they’ve done, ANYBODY can.  Anybody, that is, especially if their parents are TELLING them, “hey, there are opportunities for you, you have to work for them, but they are yours, go get them!!!”  Instead having parents who say, “no one gives us a chance, don’t even try.” 

  

Last week in Little Rock, AR an old black man died at the age of 78. He was the first black man to get sober in AA in Little Rock. That was in 1961, just 4 short years after the National Guard was called in to make sure 9 black students were allowed safe entry into the all-white Central High School in Little Rock. He said that back then they sent the white drunks to the hospital, and the black drunks to the "nut house" (the state hospital.) When he got out, they told him to go to the AA meetings. He went for the coffee and cigarettes. I don’t believe he was the first black man to go to those meetings, but somehow, even though the white people there largely only tolerated him (can you IMAGINE???), the steps took, he got sober, stayed sober, and eventually wrote a few books that became internationally known (e.g., The Steps We Took), and founded and ran a treatment facility called Serenity Park for a long time. RIP Joe McQuaney 

  

Now.  There’s hard, and then there’s hard…
 

  

Life is largely a game of perception.  I think we need to seriously consider what ours is going to be going forward.   

 
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November 9, 2007, 7:34 pm PST

Dog the bounty hunter

I'm not racist by any means, but Dog deserves his show back on TV. His stupid son was just greedy for the money that he got for that taped conversation. This happened 8 months ago, why did his son wait 8 months? Because he was hurting for money, that's why. What goes on behind closed doors is none of our business. Dog had a personal conversation with his son & it had NOTHING to do with his show. Don't we have freedom of speech??? Why is Dog being punished?? What about all the rap singers that have the "n" word in all their songs?? So it's ok if black people say the "n" word, but not white people?? Isn't that double standards? So Dog made a mistake, who hasn't? I agree with Jeff Johnson, we shouldn't fire people who have private conversations. I'm not saying that what Dog said was right, I personally HATE the "n" word, but if someone has a private conversation with a family member, it should stay in the family. His son should be the one on the hot seat, what kind of person tapes a private conversation & then sells it to a tabloid??

 
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