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From a celebrity’s controversial meltdown caught on tape to nooses cropping up around the country, Dr. Phil and Bishop T.D. Jakes tackle tough racial issues. First up, Dog the Bounty Hunter spewed slurs in a phone conversation with his son, Tucker, and used the N-word repeatedly when referring to Tucker’s black girlfriend, Monique. Monique’s mother, Linda Shinnery, joins the Dr. Phil show via satellite and says she was appalled by Dog’s tirade. Should the reality TV star lose his job over a private conversation? Civil rights activist Al Sharpton, rapper Master P, and BET correspondent Jeff Johnson weigh in. Then, nooses, a symbol of hatred for African-Americans, are cropping up more and more across the country – from Jena, Louisiana to Columbia University in New York. Najee Ali, founder and co-director of Project Islamic Hope, shares his views on empowering the black community and combating stereotypes. Don’t miss this intense debate about racism and sensitivity in America, and find out how you can educate your children. Join the discussion.

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November 15, 2007, 4:47 pm PST

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I can't not begin to tell you how ill that this show has made me,  I have one question why would you have on your show two of the reasons we still want to use the n- word.  Those two African Americans you call them just want to start trouble and run their mouths.  How can you talk to them and be angry at another man for using the n-word.  Al Sharpen and those like him are the worst people in the world.  There isn't any bigger racist in America than those two.  How can you allow people who protest for murders such as O J Simpson and Jena 6 to appear on your show and you jump right in there with them..  You of all folks have let me down.  You want to holler at a man for using the n-word to look good for two people who should be hung bye their own race.  If a white man kills someone you don't see a bunch of white leaders protesting for them.  I agree their is some groups out there that do.  But the general white population does not stand up and protest for a murder we disown them.  As far a Dogg goes he said and he probadly should have had it edited out of the show before they put it on air.  I am asking you Dr. Phil do you agree with interacial marriage or where do you stand for you kids?  I am guessing that next we you will have the Peta people on their protesting for laws for unborn kittens.  Why don't you do a show that helps people understand why abortions is wrong.   I haven't seen you do a show yet on why gay is ok and should be excepted .   But you are probadly for gay and gay right and murders so kittens shouldn't surprise me.  I will pray to be more sensitive toward the n-word and for you.

First, I want to say, i have never used that word. I don't like it when I hear other Blacks use the word.

The use by a rapper or a Black, does not justify the hateful incendiary use by another race. I once had a Caucasian casually refer to an Iranian as a "Sand N-". She assumed in error that I word condone the use.

 

You sad, "I have one question why would you have on your show two of the reasons we still want to use the n-word."  You want to use the N-word, because that is still in your character. I will also pray that God takes that out of your heart.

 

I suggest that you do a search on "Hangings and the 'Montgomery Bus Boycott".

Under hangings you will find it was common for Whites to hang Blacks protest in an exercise of their so-called right. During  the Montgomery Bus Boycott, Whites protested by passing laws making it illegal to pick up a Black walking.

 

Recently, in California, two White girls were kicked and beat, while onlookers mostly Black students watched. The girls could not identify any of the people doing the beating and kicking. They decided that some one Black had to pay, so they picked out 12 of the Black students and charged and convicted 11..

 

Cash and Strohmeyer raped and killed 11 year old Shereece Iverson, Cash is free, having never been charged, although Strohmeyer says that they both raped her but  Cash killed her  12 people are less likely to beat and kick two people, than for two to kill one. Cash and Strohmeyer were on tape, but White, Iveron was Black.

 

I have seen nooses, cross burnings, churches, spit on, and I had a uncle was killed for or being Black, but i have never called a white person the "N" word.

 

I suggest that you pray, hen watch the movies, " Gandhi", "Amistad", Separate but Equal, Mississippi Burning, and Rosewood.

 

I respect that you are a Christian, and that must be hard,because Jesus was not White. That would have made him a Roman. Don't worship Jesus, because you believe he had blue eyes. but simply because he was the Son of God. What do you think when you re reading Genesis? You know, about Adam and Eve. One Adam and one Eve, but so man races. Different hair colors,different eyes, but so many similarities. Is it amazing, we all have one heart and two ears to listen and learn to love each other.

 

Isn't it amazing that an English boy can marry an Italian girl. You know especially since the Black African Moors blood line run through so many Italians. Reminds me of another movie. "True Romance". Did you ever hear of the Black undercover cop who infiltrated the KKK.. He talked with David Duke on many occasions and was even asked to had up a local Colorado Chapter. He focused portraying the same ideologies.

 

If we focus on our similarities, then it would not have taken until 1965 for Congress to pass the Voters Rights Act. Is an American,  was born here without the right to vote n some Southern states. Have you ever been denied the right to vote?

 

I am for the Right to Chose,and I believe that all unborn children should have the right to chose. Instead, woman us abortion as birth control. I believe that Gays have the right to give up that sin of choice flesh, but they also have the right to not be beat up. 

 

 
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November 15, 2007, 11:12 pm PST

11/09 Debate Dr. Phil and the Bishop

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My two grandson's are both racially mixed.

fathers both black and my daughter Caucasian.

The Blacks I know of prefer not to be called African Americans as they find comfort in Black American.

I know many people from Africa and they find it hard to accept  "African Americans" but readily accept the term Black America.

With-in the last two years we have seen an out-burst of  "mouth" vocal issues of rude behaviors. ON all behaviors from everyone. Including Al Sharpton to Reverend Jackson.

1. Imus, he decided to make a joke out of the ladies on the basket ball team. He has been off the radio air waves for almost one year. He is now coming back to the air waves in another month to a different station.  Supposedly he has learned to be more sensitive.

2. "Kramer.. lol.. he had an outburst at a  heckler while performing on stage doing his routine as a comedian less than a year ago and went wild on the guy [ ballistic He is sorry and NO one has heard from him since. In the meanwhile everyone makes fun of Jews on and off the airwaves and Italians and Mexicans and Indians /Muslims and anyone else they can.

3. Jena 6 is the BIGGEST embarrassment in American history this side of the 2000 decade so far. Note: I said SO FAR*

4. A NOOSE?  and that town has /had no clue as to what a noose is or what that meant during the slave days and when they went looking for a slave that ran away? THEY HUNG THE SLAVE!

5. What lawyers were given to those kids and  what governor runs that town who could not educate that town in the right or wrong in that NOOSE hanging from a frig-gen tree?

6. Does not one person study history anymore?

 

7. Katrina is highly suspect in the abuse of the poor as well. Did color play a part or simply because people were poor and they did not matter as much as the rich?

 

Back to Mr. Chapman...he was so honest in a private conversation to his own son  who received 15,000.00 to  TELL on DADDY. Wrong or right? Too late now and the lips are loose and Mrs.. Chapman is devastated and the Chapman family are sorry and now the repent part is happening and everyone and their brother are here to JUDGE.

 

8. Cracker,, word for white person, cannot be used and not in a comedy anymore and cheap Jew and any mention about a Jew being tight with money cannot be mentioned in any comments on television anymore.

Jesse Jackson has made many fopahs regarding the Jewish people and so has Sharpton and many regarding the white folk.

9. There are other ways and better ways to handle things than the way those two handle the situations most of the time.And the 3rd associate of their ilk is the most ferocious of them all and the biggest bigot  Louis Farrakhan, that is a dangerous man.

 

10. My grandson was in a fight at school recently regarding his color. He defended himself. he was suspended for fighting. The kid who called him the racial slur is being taken out of the school district . The word  "Nig--r " is a hate crime word in our district here in Washington state.

11.  what is black? Look in a crayon box and not one color is pure white or black.. find the colors of what your tone is and I bet you, that we are that crayon box and basically this whole sad mess is just that .. A MESS!

 

12. This takes all of us to look at each other and be neighbors and friends and take good care of our children and not allow this to happen at all.

 

Should Mr. Chapman have a second chance ?

I believe he really did not know any better was raised that way. I know Denver, it is a place of  "hard" and now he is getting the education of his life. Do not use your mouth like that EVER ABOUT ANYONE*

None of us should and he should not have to ask Sharpton or Jackson for forgiveness, but instead the common Black people of America and the woman his son dates for forgiveness.

 

How do we keep this from happening at all? Start at home and never use that language at home , children really need to play with all sorts of children from all backgrounds and cultures and religions. Balnce is absolutely healthy for kids and parents need to get out and greet people and get out of their rut's too. Volunteer at school and get on school boards and know the people in your community and make sure that the kids get to play with all cultures .

No name calling, no bullying, no comparing of clothes and it would be nice if no one noticed the bald kid too.

Point, you begin at home and take one tongue at a time.

Patience is a good start.

 

The epidemic of bad language and hate has got to stop!  NOW that is BAD FORM*

VERY WELL PUT, YOU TOOK THE WORDS RIGHT OUT OF MY MOUTH, ALL THO I COULD NOT HAVE SAID IT AS GOOD AS YOU HAVE! I TOO HAVE TWO GRANDSONS THAT ARE HALF BLACK AND HALF WHITE, AND I LOVE TO WATCH DOG, AND HIS FAMILY! SO NOW ALL I CAN SAY IS GOOD LUCK DOG!
 
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November 16, 2007, 5:49 am PST

WILL WE EVER END RASCISM

I am a African American Female and I use to love Dog The Bounty Hunter, but his words are very disgraceful and very ignorant. As a African American woman take total offense to him.  I would never guess in a million years that he was a ingnorant pig!! I guess he is a wolf in sheeps clothing.  I wish America would realize that we are not just one color, but many different  shapes, sizes and colors.  Here in Houston, Texas for the past 3 to 4 weeks  we have had nooses being hung in schools and business.    What is  our world comming to?

 

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November 16, 2007, 6:50 am PST

IN All Fairness

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I think that  Dog should get his show back b/c he his a hero to many people and he is one of my heros and he always will be. He made a mistake and we all make misakes its part of who we are. And i as do many people think that he should get his show back. He has one of the best tv shows around.

 I am in shock that you Dr. Phil of all people can not see all the aspects of this situation. First with Dog I totally agree that he was wrong for what he said and there is no reason for this, You then have people that promote racism preaching to have him fired and at the same time praise a rapper that has many songs produced with racial slurs, Why did you and the others not stand up to have his music pulled and the people involved with producing this music fired. Just because he makes one album that is not filled with these slurs he is a hero? So if the Dog has a conversation with his son that doesn't have racial slurs are you going to treat him the same and promote his show? If you are going to get people to except everyone then first you have to treat and have the same rules for all. Why is it acceptable for one person to say the n-word and not have Shrapton and others on the news attacking them but praise others who have said the same and worse. Racism goes in many directions and when we start fixing the problem on all levels maybe this will end but when you only go after certain ones and justifies others you just promote more hate and sets us all back. You constantly put people on the defense instead of looking at the whole picture and find ways to end this. Are  you afraid to confront certain people because you may be the next one that Sharpton attacks? Sharpton has to be one of the most racial people I have ever seen and why we continue to let him get by with this is beyond me. Maybe we should start with him.  This by no means justifies what the Dog said but why wasn't the fact that his own son was taping a private conversation with his dad with out his permission brought in the story? What right did he have of taping a conversation with out his knowledge and then selling it to the news.

 
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November 16, 2007, 6:52 am PST

Comments about this

I understand that what Dog said is wrong but it was in a private converstation.  Yes, there should be consequences but he should not loose his show.  He definately does more good.  Every body wants to have an opinion about racism and that "Caucasian" are the racists, but that is not the only truth.  I watched this show on a repeat and I see where there is a lot of discrimination against "Caucasians" but that doesn't seem to be a problem.  There is BET (Black Entertainment Television)  Let there be a WET (White Entertainment Television).  There is a Miss Black USA (or however it is worded) .  United Negro College Fund.  I could go on and on about this.  Let these things we worded to target "Caucasians" and those organizations would be sued for racism.  Then, you have people like Kanye West that is very racial against "Caucasians".  Is anyone going to ban him from speaking on television?  NOPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  His music is not even allowed in my house because of his attitude.  He has made his comments on national television NOT IN A PRIVATE CONVERSATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I think that Dog's son went against his whole family for a dollar amount and nobody knows what lead to this conversation.  Dog and his family do way more good than this.  I mean if somebody wants to condem someone for things that were said when they thought that they were in private, we would all be condemed at one point or another.  As I said, read this comment and look at the big picture.  If people were going to be condemed for things that they said and banned then there should be alot more of them.  The actor from Greys Anatomy said what he said on National television and guess what he went on to make movies.  Kanye West has made comments on National Television and is still going.  Dog made his comments in what he thought was a private conversation and now everyone wants him off of the air.  Where is the racism there?  HELLO!!!!  People need to wake up and look at the big picture.  These are just some of the good points.  Keep researching!!!!  And no I am not prejudice.  I am Caucasian.  I have white friends, black friends, hispanic friends, gay friends and so on and so forth so that is not why I am post this comment.  I just think that EVERYONE needs to look at everything going on and let Dog and his family continue to do the good that they do and not banned them for one inappropiate conversation.
 
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November 16, 2007, 7:06 am PST

sometimes it takes a kick in the butt

It is without question that the use of racially loaded names are hurtful and hateful to all cultures. Master P had the decency to look embarrassed about the words he used in lyrics and promised not to use them anymore.  He apologised and people clapped.  I just think being held accountable (the kick in the butt)  may sometimes be the opportunity for people to change their thoughts and behaviors.  If Master P can be given another chance to change how he does business why shouldn't there be the opportunity for "Dog" to do the same.  As a society we absolutely should stand up to injustice and refuse to accept it.  It does start with your own heart, as Dr. Phil said.  It may take a whole village to raise a child, but a very good friend of mine said, "It takes a whole child to raise a village"  If we want the future of our society to be positive, we need to raise children in homes without hatred, but with the ability to learn from mistakes (because we all make them) and with the ability to move on.

 
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November 16, 2007, 8:32 am PST

Dog the Bounty Hunter

Maybe Dog shoulndnt of said those raciest things. I have been watching Dog for a while now and I know all about his son Tucker who more than likely wanted to git back at Dog for not bailing him out of jail.  Why should they band the show Dog the Bounty Hunter? If there going to do that then they should band Emeniems music who talks about in one of his sons locking his girlfriend in the trunk slitting her throat he is disgrace to all women. But know one thinks of that.
 
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November 16, 2007, 10:31 am PST

11/09 Debate Dr. Phil and the Bishop

I thought this was a good show. I am huge fan of the Bishop and the points brought to the attention of us were very good ones. I am baffled by the amount of hate people have for each other because of skin color. It saddens me to the soul to hear the words that come out of the mouths of people who are jaded by what the community has tought us to believe.
  What baffled me the most was the talk of giving children birth control without the knowledge of the parents. It is our jobs as parents to teach our children about sex and what is right and wrong. We need to stop being afraid of the subject and be more open with our children and willing to talk to them about it. Maybe, just maybe, if we were to offer them the knowledge we have on the subject they would not feel such a strong desire to be having realtions at such a young age strictly out of curiosity. I know that there are going to be children who no matter what we say to them are going to do it anyway but I strongly believe that knowldege is power and unfortunatly these days it is necessary to pass that knowledge along to our children at younger ages.
 
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November 16, 2007, 11:20 am PST

really

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 I am in shock that you Dr. Phil of all people can not see all the aspects of this situation. First with Dog I totally agree that he was wrong for what he said and there is no reason for this, You then have people that promote racism preaching to have him fired and at the same time praise a rapper that has many songs produced with racial slurs, Why did you and the others not stand up to have his music pulled and the people involved with producing this music fired. Just because he makes one album that is not filled with these slurs he is a hero? So if the Dog has a conversation with his son that doesn't have racial slurs are you going to treat him the same and promote his show? If you are going to get people to except everyone then first you have to treat and have the same rules for all. Why is it acceptable for one person to say the n-word and not have Shrapton and others on the news attacking them but praise others who have said the same and worse. Racism goes in many directions and when we start fixing the problem on all levels maybe this will end but when you only go after certain ones and justifies others you just promote more hate and sets us all back. You constantly put people on the defense instead of looking at the whole picture and find ways to end this. Are  you afraid to confront certain people because you may be the next one that Sharpton attacks? Sharpton has to be one of the most racial people I have ever seen and why we continue to let him get by with this is beyond me. Maybe we should start with him.  This by no means justifies what the Dog said but why wasn't the fact that his own son was taping a private conversation with his dad with out his permission brought in the story? What right did he have of taping a conversation with out his knowledge and then selling it to the news.

  i just dont understand why is it that the words honkey ,cracker ,speck, greaser,and just about every other racial word gets the ok from censors but the ..omg dont say the n<<<< word  ...even this board is racial
 
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November 16, 2007, 12:02 pm PST

So SAD

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  i just dont understand why is it that the words honkey ,cracker ,speck, greaser,and just about every other racial word gets the ok from censors but the ..omg dont say the n<<<< word  ...even this board is racial
Unfortunately you are exactly correct. I agree with you one-hundred percent. I couldn't have said it better. And I am a "minority". At least that's what the Government calls me. But I feel like a Majority AKA regular American.
 
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