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Topic : 06/16 A Daughter in Danger?

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Created on : Thursday, November 08, 2007, 07:38:18 pm
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(Original Air Date: 11/14/07) When Shawn’s daughter, Katherine, was only 16 years old, she made international headlines when she ran away to the Middle East to be with 20-year-old Abdullah, whom she met on MySpace -- a man she never met in person but was convinced she was in love with. The FBI intercepted her in Jordan and escorted her back to the United States. Unbeknownst to her family, Katherine secretly continued a relationship with Abdullah via the phone and the computer for two years. After turning 18, Katherine said goodbye to her family and left to be with Abdullah in the war-torn Gaza Strip. Katherine’s family is terrified that she’s never going to return. They think Abdullah is lying to Katherine and possibly even brainwashing her. They say when she calls, something doesn’t sound right. Is she afraid for her life, but unable to tell them? Is she being held against her will? Dr. Phil talks with Katherine via satellite from Palestine, and has some hard questions for Abdullah about his real intentions with Katherine. Join the discussion.

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June 16, 2008, 1:19 pm PDT

The Koran..................

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I'm glad to see that some Palestinians find Abdullah's demeanor abhorrant and indefensible. And, saw that this show is about a young girl falling for the wrong kind of man. Rather than an "attack" on Arabs and Muslims. Surely the Koran, of which I know very little, doesn't condone such abuse of one's wife and disrespect for her mother and sisters.
It is my understanding, and I could be wrong here, that the Koran is the same as our Bible. It just has a different name and only covers the first testament. If I am wrong someone please correct me. I always want to learn and to be well informed.
 
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June 16, 2008, 1:57 pm PDT

Can anyhing be done??

I  am  from  the  state of MI also,  actually  I live in the county  next to where Kathryn's parents reside.  Lets go back to the incident when she left the country when she was 16.  From what the papers and the local news and your show said, Abdullah's father paid for the ticket to the Middle East.  It astounded me to know that nothing was done as far as charges brought up against him for that.  My recommendation to the show and Dr. Phil himself would be to contact the State Attourney General- Mike Cox in Lansing, MI and the police dept. itself and try to figure out why no charges were ever filed and if they can file them now?!?
 
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June 16, 2008, 2:10 pm PDT

SO LET HER GO SHE IS 18 NOW LET HER GO!!

YOU KNOW WHAT SHE IS 18 AND GUESS WHAT SHE IS OF AGE AND GET WITH THE REAL WORLD.

YOU CANT DO A THING AND SHE IS GOING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

AND I DO FEEL SORRY BUT YOU CANT DO A THING GOOD LUCK SHE IS GOING TO DO WHAT SHE WANTS

 
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June 16, 2008, 2:19 pm PDT

questions that need to be asked

Has this young woman been allowed contact with the palestinian  Christian commnity?

Have the boy's parents and the girl's parents had a face to face lengthy sit-down discussion of their exectations and concerns? Religious concerns? Financial concerns?

Is the young woman still being allowed to wear shorts, miniskirts, etc?

Does she have regular contact with other Americanswithout supervision?

Has the couple been sexually intimate? Or have his parents protected her  as if she were their own daughter?

 

This is simply horrifying

 
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June 16, 2008, 2:23 pm PDT

Abdallah is supposed to be a grown man......

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First let me say that there is no excuse for a man to call a woman he loves (or any woman) a bitch and to place her in a dangerous situation. 

 

Having said that I also believe that there is a great ignorance of our country (I am an American citizen) of other countries.  If Abdallah is a good person (unfortunately the way he is treating Catherine does not show this) than for him it is common in his country to marry someone around the age of 16 and if it is pre arranged it would be completely normal never to have met his bride.

 

Perhaps if there was better understanding of his culture than Catherine's parents could have had a better relationship and communication with Abdallah and his parents; and could have arranged a better way for the two to be together.  It is clear to me that  Abdallah and Catherine are making decisions because they are afraid they are not understood or allowed to be together.  I do not agree that Catherine should have gone to Palestine given the danger; but the parents could have made arrangements for Abdallah to come to the US.  I do not know why Abdallah did not come to the US, but then again his country does not have a good foreign relation with our country.  Perahps getting a visa is very difficult.

 

Is it possible that if our our foreign policies were better these two young people could have avoided all this and be together in the US without having to go through these extremes?  Is it possible that all the pressure and misunderstanding have created so much stress on these two young people that their relationship has become strained and volatile (again no excuse for any man to treat a woman poorly).  But I think we can all agree that parents and parents in-laws can create problems in a relationship between a man and a woman.  And how many of us do not know how it feels to want to be with someone that our parents do not like?  Is it possible that parents can communicate better their feelings and concerns without making their children feel that the love they share is wrong?  Could Catherine's family have accepted this relationship better; instead of chasing their daughter away?

 

Dr. Phil, I believe your intentions are well, but I have a strong feeling that you have not taken any of the cultural differences between Abdallah's and Catherines's cultures into consideration.  You have forgotten than in many countries early and pre -arranged marriages are acceptable or even preferred. 

 

I hope that Abdallah and Catherine will be safe and can make a wise decision with the help of their parents and do not rush into a marriage because they fear of loosing each other.

 

 

Since Abdallah is supposed to be a grown man shouldn't it have been his responsibility to learn our culture before his father sneaks her away to a foreign country? In the USA it is not custom for underage girls to be married at the age of 16 or to have a prearranged marriage. Her mother has every right to oppose this relationship considering the manner in which they went about it. Is he not ignorant of our culture in this country? You say that if her family had a better understanding of his culture that they could have had a better relationship with Abdallah and his parents? I think that idea was blown out of the water the minute the father had a hand in this. This is wrong!  They deceived her mother from the beginning, she never even knew that there was a relationship. How would you expect her to react? I support the mother in this and hope that this young girl will come to her senses.  
 
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June 16, 2008, 2:59 pm PDT

06/16 A Daughter in Danger?

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Take what you said and add updates about what has happened since the original airing. I would like that. I love this show but since I watch everyday the reruns are not interesting. I already know the plots!
I agree - the reruns this summer are terrible; they should at least give an update about what happens after the show or show some never-seen-before footage from the taping. At least that would make it interesting.
 
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June 16, 2008, 3:00 pm PDT

06/16 A Daughter in Danger?

When I was a teenager one of my friends Chris Drowny was in State care. When she turned 18 she met an Arib guy and moved to the middle east.  About 3 years later she shown up on my doorstep with this man. He carried a breifcase and according to her, he never took it off his wrist. He went outside to smoke and she quickly told me that he wouldnt let her go. He even follows her to the restrooms when they go out to eat. I asked her what I could do and she told me there wasnt anything I could do. She was only allowed to visit for 15 minutes and then off she went. I never saw her again. I did try to the police but was told that unless she came forward to them there wasnt anythign they could do. Anyway, watching this story reminded me of Chris and I wonder what ever happened to her.
 
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June 16, 2008, 3:05 pm PDT

The Qur'an

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It is my understanding, and I could be wrong here, that the Koran is the same as our Bible. It just has a different name and only covers the first testament. If I am wrong someone please correct me. I always want to learn and to be well informed.

 

The Koran can be interpreted different ways (much like the Bible).  The Islamic fundamentalists are the ones that abuse it to kill innocent people and justify genocide, such as Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (leader of Iran), who wants to throw Israel into the sea, denies the Holocaust, and the existence of gays in Iran. 

 

"Muhammad (c. 570 – July 6, 632) was an Arab religious, political, and military leader who founded the religion of Islam as a historical phenomenon. Muslims view him not as the creator of a new religion, but as the restorer of the original, uncorrupted monotheistic faith of Adam, Abraham and others. In Muslim tradition, Muhammad is viewed as the last and the greatest in a series of prophets—as the man closest to perfection, the possessor of all virtues.[33] For the last 23 years of his life, beginning at age 40, Muhammad reported receiving revelations from God. The content of these revelations, known as the Qur'an, was memorized and recorded by his companions

 

 Conflict with Medinan Jewish clans who opposed the Muslims led to their exile, enslavement or death, and the Jewish enclave of Khaybar was subdued. At the same time, Meccan trade routes were cut off as Muhammad brought surrounding desert tribes under his control.[35] By 629 Muhammad was victorious in the nearly bloodless Conquest of Mecca, and by the time of his death in 632 he ruled over the Arabian peninsula.[36]"

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam

 

 

To me, if Romeo over there cares so much for Katherine, then why would he drag her out into the middle of a war zone?  This guy seems like a misogynistic cretan, and women are dispensable to him.  I say that because of how he's treated both Katherine and the women in her family.   She should "whip his a**" for being so disrespectful, he needs it. 

 
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June 16, 2008, 3:20 pm PDT

06/16 A Daughter in Danger?

Dear Dr. Phil,

 

Why in the world when Catherine went the second time, did not one of her family members go with her to assure her safety, assess the relationship and provide guidance?  It is absurd they "dropped her off at the airport".  Any normal family would have worked throught this.  They would have sent a mother, father, or trusted relative to meet the family.  Her family was greatly at fault for sending her the second time without a sup[ort system and guidance.  They may have been reassured of Abdallah's intentions, and bonded with the family.  That will probably not happen now.

 

 Not all cross cultural marriages are doomed.  I know.  I am an American married to an Arab and lived in the West Bank for 25 years.  Yes, there are adjusments, but a cross cultural marriage need not be a sad story.

 

So far, all that we have heard is "her families" side of the story.  You do not know what Katherine told Abdallah's family  when they arranged for the trip..  She might have said she had permission to visit, not unheard of for a minor child who thinks she in love to lie to others.  Do not judge until you have heard both sides of the story.  Even the use of the word "Bitch" is not a common word in the Middle East and may have been misunderstood. Catherine may have taught them that word.

 

Withold judgement, weigh the situation.  They may truly be in love, and may have a wonderful life.  Give it a chance.  Cross cultural marriages can enrich the members of both sides of the family

 
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June 16, 2008, 3:25 pm PDT

06/16 A Daughter in Danger?

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The Koran can be interpreted different ways (much like the Bible).  The Islamic fundamentalists are the ones that abuse it to kill innocent people and justify genocide, such as Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (leader of Iran), who wants to throw Israel into the sea, denies the Holocaust, and the existence of gays in Iran. 

 

"Muhammad (c. 570 July 6, 632) was an Arab religious, political, and military leader who founded the religion of Islam as a historical phenomenon. Muslims view him not as the creator of a new religion, but as the restorer of the original, uncorrupted monotheistic faith of Adam, Abraham and others. In Muslim tradition, Muhammad is viewed as the last and the greatest in a series of prophetsas the man closest to perfection, the possessor of all virtues.[33 For the last 23 years of his life, beginning at age 40, Muhammad reported receiving revelations from God. The content of these revelations, known as the Qur'an, was memorized and recorded by his companions

 

 Conflict with Medinan Jewish clans who opposed the Muslims led to their exile, enslavement or death, and the Jewish enclave of Khaybar was subdued. At the same time, Meccan trade routes were cut off as Muhammad brought surrounding desert tribes under his control.[35 By 629 Muhammad was victorious in the nearly bloodless Conquest of Mecca, and by the time of his death in 632 he ruled over the Arabian peninsula.[36"

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam

 

 

To me, if Romeo over there cares so much for Katherine, then why would he drag her out into the middle of a war zone?  This guy seems like a misogynistic cretan, and women are dispensable to him.  I say that because of how he's treated both Katherine and the women in her family.   She should "whip his a**" for being so disrespectful, he needs it. 

QURAN  IS THE BOOK HOW EVERYBODY SHUOLD FOLLW AND USE AS LAW IN THER LIFE AND ISLAM IS PEACEFULL RELAGEAN  WE DONT LIKE TO KILL PEOPLE BUT IF SOMBODY TRY TO KILL UR FAMLLY TRYING TO KILL U WHAT U SHOULD DO DO I HAVE TO LOOKE AT U KILLEN MY FAMILLY AND SAY THANK U AFTER UR DON AND U TELLL ME IF ISLAM IS BAD WHY EVERY DAY PEOPLE GET IN ISLAM WHY TERE IS MORE PEOPLE AS MUSLIMS THAN CHRISTEEANS OR JUSH? PEACE UP ON U
 
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