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(Original Air Date: 11/14/07) When Shawn’s daughter, Katherine, was only 16 years old, she made international headlines when she ran away to the Middle East to be with 20-year-old Abdullah, whom she met on MySpace -- a man she never met in person but was convinced she was in love with. The FBI intercepted her in Jordan and escorted her back to the United States. Unbeknownst to her family, Katherine secretly continued a relationship with Abdullah via the phone and the computer for two years. After turning 18, Katherine said goodbye to her family and left to be with Abdullah in the war-torn Gaza Strip. Katherine’s family is terrified that she’s never going to return. They think Abdullah is lying to Katherine and possibly even brainwashing her. They say when she calls, something doesn’t sound right. Is she afraid for her life, but unable to tell them? Is she being held against her will? Dr. Phil talks with Katherine via satellite from Palestine, and has some hard questions for Abdullah about his real intentions with Katherine. Join the discussion.

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November 14, 2007, 3:21 pm PST

11/14 A Daughter in Danger?

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Does anyone remember that movie? A woman was married to a Doctor who was originally from the Middle East, and he fooled his wife into visiting the Middle East and decided while there that he wanted to stay.  He kept lying to her regarding the air tickets home, then he started beating her since that is something that always happens to women in the Middle East.  He was a Doctor in the US and got fired, but did not tell his wife until they travelled to the Middle East.  So when it was time for them to travel back to the US,  he finally told her he got fired and they are not going back.  Wives cannot keep secrets from their husbands or they will get beaten by their husbands.  I'm not saying this happens with every husband, but it happens frequently, based on this movie. 

 

This girl on the Dr. Phil show is in great danger.

 

The movie was based on a true story.  The mother managed to escape with her daughter, but it was very dangerous.  There are many American women held against their will in some of these MIddle East countries because they were fooled into travelling there.  I hurt for this girl and her family. She was very naive in going there.

That was a movie you are talking about, do you know why it's a movie? Because that woman's story (that Sally Field played) is EXTREME. If her story was the norm it wouldn't be entertaining. I know so many Americans who live abroad in the Middle East as I have. Places like Dubai, Qatar, Egypt, Lebanon, and even Jordan are generally safe. Sure there are bad things that can happen in countries which have Shia law (none of the countries I have mentioned do) but for the most part visiting or even living in the Middle East are safe.
 
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November 14, 2007, 3:24 pm PST

Who's to blame?

When you have songs like http://video.aol.com/video-detail/celine-dion-taking-chances/218699262  , how can you expect our young people to make informed choices?! My first thought was, 'where is this mother?'. I can't understand how, once she decided she had no choice (which I don't believe) that she didn't go with her daughter. If she felt she was in danger, why didn't she send her with an escort??? I'm also reminded, as I listen to this family, at how prejudiced and naive Americans can be. Perhaps this IS a match made in heaven??? Perhaps it is doomed to failure?? Either way, this young gifl hasn't  been given all that she could have been given. Mother, I wish you had escorted her, and gotten to meet and know the family. This could actually be a karmic reunion.....
 
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November 14, 2007, 3:42 pm PST

11/14 A Daughter in Danger?

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 First of all: There is no official country named Palestine. It is either Israel or Gaza strip and Westbank.

Second of all, unfortunately lots of girls from abroad got hooked up with Arabs/Moslims. Here in Israel there are lots of Dutch, Danish, Russian girls who got married with moslims and live here in villages or in the Gaza strip or the Westbank.

It is like my dad used to tell me:
You have to respect every culture, you cannot get married to every culture!

Unfortunately most of these girls can't get out once they are in....... or they'll loose their kids!
Some girls are really happy with the situation.
What a bunch of bull...excuse me but you sound a bit intolerant. "Unfortunately lots of girls get hooked up with Arab/Muslims." So even Christian Arabs and Arab Jews are unfortunate to you? :( I am Muslim and must say that though I respect all cultures and religions I have no respect for someone this bigotted that would write this kind of hateful post.
 
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November 14, 2007, 3:43 pm PST

Koncerned about Katherine

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Yes she is. This young girl is very naive and will lesten to what she wants to hear, right now it is the boyfriend, he tells her what she wants to hear and he knows it. To have met him on the internet (myspace at that) and to think she knows him enough to travel to his country just shows how naive she is. I do agree that the Mother should have intervened long before her daughter turned 16 then again when she got her back, that is when the intensive intervention should have started. This guy and his family are making her promises that sound good to her.  I know this for a fact because when my daughter turned 18 her boss talked to her about his nephew being here and needing to be married to stay in the USA. They told her they would give her money to live on while they were married, my daughter agreed at the time, but then decided that she wanted to stay married and make a family with him here in the states. I (her mother) live with them I know for a fact that if I didn't live with them and have such a close relationship with my daughter that things would be different for her being married to him. They have been married two years and still their are times that he has to be reminded that he lives in the USA and things are different here reagrding "control" over your wife. He use to tell my daughter what she can and can not wear (which he did not before they were married). He use to say that I can tell her these things because she is my wife, she must listen to me. I told him she is not your property, she is an equal partner in your marriage, you may tell her something you don't like and she has the right to decide what to do with that. He has taken some time to understand this and sometimes still reverts back to his culture which causes conflicts. He has told my daughter that when they have children they will be muslim, my daughter says no they will be Christian, so my daughter tells him then they will not be having children. She has a 3y/o which he treats beautifully as if she were his. They do have respect for family but it is still at their call. Before my daughter married her husband I sat her down and made her watch the movie "Not without my daughter", then she made him watch it also and told him I will never go to your country for fear of this happening. He told her they don't do that anymore. She will not just accept that answer and go, she knows better. She loves her husband as do I but you will always have things in the back of your head.

Now that Katherine is in Jordan she may not come back, they take your passport from you and hold it, she no longer has access to it. The boyfriend and his family are postponing getting her Visa for her for reasons of their own. The boyfriend is still being great to the girl and so is his family because she hasn't married him yet, once the marriage happens then things will take a drastic change in both how she is allowed to dress, what she can say, what she can do, what she will have to put up with. One of the things that they also do is once married they get their wives pregnant right away. My son-in laws brother just got married a few months ago and she is pregnant already, when my daughter asked her husband is that what you people do over there have children right away, he said yes. Why is that? it is because once they have children they will lose their children if they leave the husband. Only the husband is allowed to divorce a wife, or have other women in his life. Therefore women will not leave their husbands and will have to put up with abuse of all sides. Abdullah will get her Pregnant as soon as they marry, to have that control over her and over her family. They live together in a family unit, a large house so that there is always family around, she will never be left alone. You can know that already by everytime he has "allowed" Katherine to call home or visa versa he is standing over her to hear her conversation. If Katherine does not see this behaviour as controlling then as time goes by she will be lost to their culture, to a controlling man. She will be lost Dr. Phil

Good thing you mentioned the movie “Not Without My Daughter” because I was going to mention that film, asking if Katherine had ever seen it.  Doesn’t she know that once she marries Abdullah, she has to give up all her rights?  Quoted from the “Not Without My Daughter” page on Wikipedia:

 

“After many years of marriage to an Iranian doctor named Moody (Alfred Molina), Betty (Sally Field) is convinced by him to visit his family in Tehran for the first time. Although she has a lot of trepidation about traveling to the Middle East, her fear of violence is overcome by sympathy for her husband, who misses his family. After Moody swears on the Koran that everything will be fine, Betty agrees to go. The happy couple set out with their young daughter, Mahtob, on a planned two week family vacation.

                            

“Immediately upon arrival, Betty is forced to wear the traditional black veil, and is nearly arrested for inadvertently exposing some of her hair. Contrary to everything Betty had previously been led to believe, her husband's family turn out to be fanatically devout and conservative Muslims, who are very unhappy with the prospect of an American in-law. Towards the end of their scheduled holiday, her husband reveals that he has been fired from his job in the United States and that he has decided the family will stay in Iran. Suddenly, she sees a completely different side of him. When she objects to staying, he beats her and takes her credit cards, money and identification. She soon realizes that she and her daughter had became prisoners in her sister-in-law's home. She manages to call her own mother in the U.S. who provides her with an Embassy contact, before her husband cuts off her access to the telephone.

 

“Betty sneaks out of the house and gets to the Swiss Embassy, where she learns that under Iranian law women have no rights concerning the children; her daughter is considered an Iranian citizen and cannot be taken out of the country without Moody's signed permission. Her husband becomes increasingly violent with her and she is watched around the clock by his unsympathetic relatives. Realizing that she will never have an opportunity to escape unless she plays the part of a devout Muslim wife, she finally reinitiates sexual relations with her husband and expresses an interest in converting to Islam. Eventually, her husband loosens his tight reign on her a bit, moving the family into his brother's home. Her traumatized daughter is enrolled in a Muslim school, where Betty is allowed to accompany her. In a class about Islam, Betty meets another American woman who is also being held hostage in the country. The woman ends up being horribly beaten by her husband for trying to mail a letter for Betty.”

 

I fear that this will be Katherine’s fate indefinitely if she goes through with an actual wedding.  To those posters who are indicting racism against Muslims, I’ll have you know that this kind of thing is still happening with women in the Muslim/Middle Eastern culture.  Women are expected to not only submit to, but also worship their men, and cannot even go outside without a man accompanying them.  If you even talk about women’s rights there, you will be punished severely.  This is unlikely to change in the near future.  Even in Canada, this same thing is true with East Indians, beating their wives for disobedience, as I was told years ago while visiting British Columbia.

 

Now, about this meeting Abdullah on MySpace, first off you cannot hold the Internet and MySpace responsible for what happened to Katherine.  People have used this website for other purposes besides causing mischief and soliciting for sex.  One of my newly-made Internet friends has a MySpace page entirely devoted to the C.O.P.S. cartoon (though said friend is 34 years old.)  Yes, Katie is eighteen, but she obviously has the maturity of a 13-year-old, as evidenced by her actions.  Where was the computer when Katie was conversing with this man?  I hope it wasn’t in her bedroom, as studies and family repeatedly stress against this.  Always keep it in the family room, where parents can keep a strict eye on your Internet activities.  If Shawn has followed this, then she should’ve been home with her daughter more often where she can keep close watch on her, monitoring her MySpace activity, and explaining to her, as both parent and friend (because a concerned friend would do this also) about “stranger danger” and just accepting new friends on her page without checking to see if they are legitimate.

 

I wouldn’t have recommended taking away the computer entirely, (though I agree with the “no cell phone” deal) but I would’ve restricted access strictly for homework purposes (i.e.: research reports through Wikipedia, History reports and English projects on Word or WordPerfect.  As we are in the middle of a war, I agree that Katie must be forcibly removed from the Middle East before anything happens to her.  I just hope that she won’t behave like Alex from last week’s show when and if they do.

 
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November 14, 2007, 3:47 pm PST

Thank you

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I agree with your assessments, so far anyway. She is now 18, legally an adult, and nobody can touch her or MAKE her come back if she doesn't want to. Like you said, IF this guy is in-fact abusing her, then that's really awful & she (the daughter) needs to make the decision to LEAVE ASAP! But its up to HER (the daughter). I personally wouldn't go to another country alone, hell I wouldn't go to another state alone, no matter how old I was, especially to see someone I hadn't met in person, but that's just ME. And if I had children & they wanted to do something like this, I would definitely ask them to REALLY think about it beforehand... however, if they were adults, then the choice is ultimately THEIR'S.

 

And as far as people saying that 18 is too young to be married.... that's something that needs to be decided INDIVIDUALLY, NOT as a whole group! There are lots of people in this world who got married at that age & are still together 20/30+ years later & are happy! So it really depends on the person/people.

And I agree with yours as well. She will always turn to mom for help. From what I saw on the show today the mom was having a VERY hard time "cutting the cord" sort of speak. She is angry with this man her daughter IS with for having her go to Jordan to be with this man. I/WE cant PROVE he is beating this woman, let alone saying the words(that her mom and aunt described) he was calling her when they are on the phone. IMHO, that is just hear say. But another thing people dont realize TIME ZONES! When you call people who live on the other side on this place called earth, sometimes ITS NIGHT TIME, and some are asleep when others call them.Her voice was drowsy sounding from what I heard on the conversation peice at the beginning of the show. DOESNT HER MOM MIGHT REALIZE THAT? If someone wakes me at early morning hours dont expect me to sound all chipper, Im STILL trying to wake from dreamland!
 
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November 14, 2007, 3:55 pm PST

Not a racial isse

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when this girl was brought back why didn't her parents pay attention to her and what she was doing? why does it matter where the guy is from regardless it is wrong? i am from palestine originally but born in the us and i am from a very safe community. there are dangerous areas and safe ones just like any country in the world. it seems like it is so bad because he is palestinian and muslim. the parents need to focus on their daughter and opening the lines of communication. by the preview it seems like he is palestinian and muslim so he must be brainwashing her wish islam. but i am muslim and we do fall in love just like others. internet relationships are made everyday. obviously she saw something in him to go and see him. and if it doesn't work out she can just call the embassy and they'll pick her up and ship her back. what is he going to do to her? he  can't even get into this country without a visa and they don't give those out to young men anyway. so as a palestinian-american i wish they would focus on why she felt she had to be so secretive maybe its because her parents would have not accepted her relationship with a muslim man from palestine.
I did not perceive the issue to be that this man is Palestinian or Muslim.  The problem is that a grown man and his family enticed a 16 year old girl to leave her home and family.  He continued the "relationship" for two more years and now that she is there, he is at the very least, verbally abusive.  Loser transcends culture and religion.
 
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November 14, 2007, 4:05 pm PST

I agree somewhat

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If this man was from Europe or Australia, would this show have even aired?

You people need to watch what you're saying, you're being very stereotypical and racist towards Arabs and Muslims.  There is a real possibility that maybe they're just in LOVE, and they want to be together.  Leave the girl alone.
I definitely agree that there is some serious discrimination here, but if it was my child, I would be concerned that my child went to live in Australia from Canada (where I"m from).  However, the use of the word "brainwashing" just because he is Muslim is ridiculous.  As I stated before this girl went on her own, but the whole situation SHOULD be concerning no matter what part of the world she was in.
 
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November 14, 2007, 4:13 pm PST

Daughter In Danger

Shawn you all have a lot of reason to be worried for Katherine's safety.

I am not concerned about her getting caught up in political instability issues.

Having lived and worked in the Middle East legally for 15 years, I was very alarmed by the fact that Abdullah,s parents are encouraging what is happening here.

This is totally unheard of.

I have many Arabic, Muslim friends and western friends married to Arab, Muslim and Christian men.

There are a lot of fine people there. Some of my friends were lucky and some of them we had to collect money to buy them a ticket home.

They were in love too and their Mohammed was different.

Katherine, do you know that it is against the law to sleep with and live with a man that you are not married to?

Do you know that you can be hauled off to prison then deported after?

Would Abdullah's parents allow his sister to live in their home with a man she is not married to?

Do they permit her to go out on dates with men of any religion?

Are you aware that when you have children for Abdullah they will be brought up as a Muslim?

Are you aware that women do not legally have the rights to their children?

Are you aware that you cannot leave the country with his children unless you have written approval from him?

Do you know the Embassy would not be able to assist you legally?

Are you aware that he can divorce you but you cannot divorce him?

Are you aware that he is allowed to beat you in accordance with his religion?

Are you aware that you are the ticket that will allow his family to live in the US legally?

Do you know he will dump you once he has his GREEN CARD?

Do you think you understand the culture of the people in that part of the world regardless of their religion?

Have they provided you with a translation of the QUR'AN? Get one.

 

How did you get a Visa? How long were you permitted to stay?

Do you know that you can be sent to prison for staying in any Middle Eastern country illegally?

This is not America young lady.

I am really trying to figure out how you and Abdullah are going to convince the Embassy folks to issue him a visa.

You have no job and therefore no money to financially support him if they  did issue him a visa.

 

My advise to you is to get your selfish little self home  before it is too late and you really ruin your life.

OR IS IT ALREADY TOO LATE.

Just look at your mother, have you no heart for this woman who is clearly suffering.

 

Abdullah,

marrying Katherine will not guarantee you a US visa.

You are a disgrace to all decent, respectful Arab men.

As for your parents they should be ashamed of themselves.

 

 

 

 
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November 14, 2007, 4:26 pm PST

LOVE SHOULD NOT HURT

   I JUST SAW A SHOW ON PALISTENE WOMAN AND MEN GOING INTO ISRAEL AND BLOWING THEM SELFS UP AND OTHERS,THEY ARE RADICAL IN THEIR BELIEFS AND THIS MAN IS ABUSIVE SO TO CONTROL AN AMERICAN GIRL(MINE)AS HE STATED , IS A SCARY SITUATION.YOUNG GIRLS GET WRAPPED UP IN A FANTASY WORLD ANDCAN BE LED INTO BAD PLACES IN THE NAME OF LOVE. I PRAY IT WORKS OUT FOR HER AND SHE COMES HOME SAFE.

 
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November 14, 2007, 4:34 pm PST

She will never be accepted by this culture

 I am afraid that this girl will comeback to the USA only when she is thrown out by his family for what they call being a whore. Woman in the middle East do not travel one mile to meet a man and to be with him as man and woman without being scorned or killed. This is how it has been in this part of the world since the dawn of time. Any girl that does what she did is playing with fire and she will get burned. Palestinians have never forgotten that the USA helped Israel thrown them out of their land. To them every American is an enemy and all our woman are whores.

For ten years I worked with Palestinians from Ramalah in a grocery store in Evanston Illinois. Every single man was encouraged to "make love" to as many American women as pussible as revange for America helping Israel, but none of them were ever encouraged to marry one of these women. People in America have no idea of how much Americans are heated in the Middle East. Especially because the American goverment keeps helping one region today and next week designates them as terrorists and enemies of the USA. I really hope for the sake of the family that this girl comes home hunharmed, unfortunately I don't believe this will be the case.
 
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