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(Original Air Date: 11/14/07) When Shawn’s daughter, Katherine, was only 16 years old, she made international headlines when she ran away to the Middle East to be with 20-year-old Abdullah, whom she met on MySpace -- a man she never met in person but was convinced she was in love with. The FBI intercepted her in Jordan and escorted her back to the United States. Unbeknownst to her family, Katherine secretly continued a relationship with Abdullah via the phone and the computer for two years. After turning 18, Katherine said goodbye to her family and left to be with Abdullah in the war-torn Gaza Strip. Katherine’s family is terrified that she’s never going to return. They think Abdullah is lying to Katherine and possibly even brainwashing her. They say when she calls, something doesn’t sound right. Is she afraid for her life, but unable to tell them? Is she being held against her will? Dr. Phil talks with Katherine via satellite from Palestine, and has some hard questions for Abdullah about his real intentions with Katherine. Join the discussion.

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November 14, 2007, 5:14 pm PST

11/14 A Daughter in Danger?

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The parents should have taken her cell phone and computer away after the first attemp to run.   No, they continue to let her talk with this guy for two years.  She was 16 and calling the shots and I can't believe her Mom would get on the phone with this guy. If she allowed  her daughter to be on the computer then a spy ware should have been downloaded so see could see who her daughter was talking to and put a stop to it.  I couldn't believe she allowed her daughter to be in contact with this guy.  She stated she would talk  to him 20 times a day.  What does it take for her Mom to see this was a BIG problem.  Wake up Mom, you added fuel to the fire and didn't stop her.  Everything was right there in front her Mom and she couldn't see it???  I think her Mom needs to take responsibility for of what has happened to her daughter.  Gosh, she even took her to the airport.  Crazy!!

Amen!! You are sooo right...
 
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November 14, 2007, 5:15 pm PST

Your Crazy!

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I think this family should give it up. If this girl is dumb enough to fall for this guy and go clear across the sea to get to him... then you can't do a thing about it. It's her life and she will be sorry some day and I would say sooner rather then later. But the family has no RIGHT to force her to do anything.  Say good bye and wish her luck.  She did it once and she will continue to do it.  All the family will do is throw good money and heart after bad, trying to get her back.  She is being bullheaded and maybe a little sick but she's of age.

 

PS  If she ever comes back to the US, I'd say watch her because she might be brain washed. 

How can anyone expect this family to give up!? Just because she is now 18 and known as an "adult" doesn't mean they can't care. What would you do if it was your child, you wouldn't give up! I understand she is making wrong decisions, but she was brought into the problem at a young age. Love is crazy and can work in many ways. Young girls sometimes think they are in Love and in causes them to do anything. This is not her fault, she was worpt by this guy when she was only 16. When a man tells a younger girl they love them, that girl will take it in because shes young and hasn't felt love. I think her parents are doing a good job! And definatly should NOT give up until she is home safely!
 
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November 14, 2007, 5:20 pm PST

I guess we all saw that movie, but not her mom

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Good thing you mentioned the movie Not Without My Daughter because I was going to mention that film, asking if Katherine had ever seen it.  Doesnt she know that once she marries Abdullah, she has to give up all her rights?  Quoted from the Not Without My Daughter page on Wikipedia:

 

After many years of marriage to an Iranian doctor named Moody (Alfred Molina), Betty (Sally Field) is convinced by him to visit his family in Tehran for the first time. Although she has a lot of trepidation about traveling to the Middle East, her fear of violence is overcome by sympathy for her husband, who misses his family. After Moody swears on the Koran that everything will be fine, Betty agrees to go. The happy couple set out with their young daughter, Mahtob, on a planned two week family vacation.

                            

Immediately upon arrival, Betty is forced to wear the traditional black veil, and is nearly arrested for inadvertently exposing some of her hair. Contrary to everything Betty had previously been led to believe, her husband's family turn out to be fanatically devout and conservative Muslims, who are very unhappy with the prospect of an American in-law. Towards the end of their scheduled holiday, her husband reveals that he has been fired from his job in the United States and that he has decided the family will stay in Iran. Suddenly, she sees a completely different side of him. When she objects to staying, he beats her and takes her credit cards, money and identification. She soon realizes that she and her daughter had became prisoners in her sister-in-law's home. She manages to call her own mother in the U.S. who provides her with an Embassy contact, before her husband cuts off her access to the telephone.

 

Betty sneaks out of the house and gets to the Swiss Embassy, where she learns that under Iranian law women have no rights concerning the children; her daughter is considered an Iranian citizen and cannot be taken out of the country without Moody's signed permission. Her husband becomes increasingly violent with her and she is watched around the clock by his unsympathetic relatives. Realizing that she will never have an opportunity to escape unless she plays the part of a devout Muslim wife, she finally reinitiates sexual relations with her husband and expresses an interest in converting to Islam. Eventually, her husband loosens his tight reign on her a bit, moving the family into his brother's home. Her traumatized daughter is enrolled in a Muslim school, where Betty is allowed to accompany her. In a class about Islam, Betty meets another American woman who is also being held hostage in the country. The woman ends up being horribly beaten by her husband for trying to mail a letter for Betty.

 

I fear that this will be Katherines fate indefinitely if she goes through with an actual wedding.  To those posters who are indicting racism against Muslims, Ill have you know that this kind of thing is still happening with women in the Muslim/Middle Eastern culture.  Women are expected to not only submit to, but also worship their men, and cannot even go outside without a man accompanying them.  If you even talk about womens rights there, you will be punished severely.  This is unlikely to change in the near future.  Even in Canada, this same thing is true with East Indians, beating their wives for disobedience, as I was told years ago while visiting British Columbia.

 

Now, about this meeting Abdullah on MySpace, first off you cannot hold the Internet and MySpace responsible for what happened to Katherine.  People have used this website for other purposes besides causing mischief and soliciting for sex.  One of my newly-made Internet friends has a MySpace page entirely devoted to the C.O.P.S. cartoon (though said friend is 34 years old.)  Yes, Katie is eighteen, but she obviously has the maturity of a 13-year-old, as evidenced by her actions.  Where was the computer when Katie was conversing with this man?  I hope it wasnt in her bedroom, as studies and family repeatedly stress against this.  Always keep it in the family room, where parents can keep a strict eye on your Internet activities.  If Shawn has followed this, then she shouldve been home with her daughter more often where she can keep close watch on her, monitoring her MySpace activity, and explaining to her, as both parent and friend (because a concerned friend would do this also) about stranger danger and just accepting new friends on her page without checking to see if they are legitimate.

 

I wouldnt have recommended taking away the computer entirely, (though I agree with the no cell phone deal) but I wouldve restricted access strictly for homework purposes (i.e.: research reports through Wikipedia, History reports and English projects on Word or WordPerfect.  As we are in the middle of a war, I agree that Katie must be forcibly removed from the Middle East before anything happens to her.  I just hope that she wont behave like Alex from last weeks show when and if they do.

 I wrote the same in my post, I saw that movie, got really educated on different cultures, rights, no rights, scary how he changed after all the years they were married, her MOM should have made her see the movie, but.. kids don't believe anything we say
 
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November 14, 2007, 5:20 pm PST

Age 18 now a days is not mature AS you say she is a teenager

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Exactly what I was thinking.  She made the choice, as a lot of teenagers do, and she is of legal age, so get over it.  The show and the board here do sound xenophobic, and why should we fear everybody else in the world?  Right or wrong, better or worse, it is done and it doesn't seem like big news.

 

So many crimes are committed in the world, and why isn't more attention paid to those instead of to this willing emigration to be with a man she loves?

It is a big deal a parent and family are in great pain and are hurting.  They are upset about their daughter and they should be for they care.  What is done is done????  You can still do something to make it better for all of those involved.  What if something happened to you and you were not happy and being controlled or needed any type of help for that matter??? Wouldnt you like someone to be there for you? to help you?

 

Also, Dr. Phil and his staff is not for big news they are there to help and support people who need it. Thats what the whole show is about. Helping out your fellow man,woman they neighbor....... 

 
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November 14, 2007, 5:26 pm PST

Love, Tears and Prayer

Dear Katherine and Family,

 

My name is Tam and I want you to know that I have everyone I know praying for Katherine's safe return.  All things are possible in Jesus Name and by His blood shed on Calvary.  Accept Him into your heart as your personal Saviour and He will be right there with you through all of this.  Praying with all of my heart.

 
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November 14, 2007, 5:40 pm PST

I know no one listens to me, but..

 I think this family is racist. Why else would they keep bringing up Abdullah's culture and the area of the workd in which he lives? I mean, why is brainwashing the first thing that came to their minds? Can't this woman love this man without being "brainwashed?" Can't she be in control of her own mind? And yes, men call women bitches in America, too.  If this 18-year-old woman (not a child) were going to a European country to be with a man, I'm sure the story would be different. At least people would not treat this as a life or death situation. I know that living in the Middle East is dangerous because of the wars, but there are plenty of women and children who live there every single day of their lives. Why is there so much broohaha over one little blonde-haired white girl when there are thousands of children dying in wars (that were started or worsened by the United States) in that area of the world?

Frankly speaking, who cares? If she's eighteen, let her do what she wants!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Eighteen-year-olds get married all of the time. Like I said above, if the man involved were white, the story would be different.
 
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November 14, 2007, 5:45 pm PST

Not Without My Daughter

And if we're going to continue talking about this "Not Without My Daughter", can you please not talk about the movie and read the book, which is always better than movies.

 
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November 14, 2007, 5:46 pm PST

11/14 A Daughter in Danger?

I saw this show today and I see nothing but red flags. This girl needs a wake up call. You should not be hiding a relationship from your family. When they got her back the first time when she ran away, they should have taken the computer away from her or put it in a room in the house were very one in the house could see what she was doing on the internet.  I think when she came home the first time her family should have gotton her some serious help.

 

Mother should have been checking in on her and seeing who she was  not suppost to be talking to. I don't think her family should have taken her to the airport. Her mother should have been checking her phone records alittle better to see who her daughter was talking to. At the age of 18 I don't think she understands how much danger she is in living over there. Think her mother needs to be alittle more on the ball with what is going on in her daughters life.

 
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November 14, 2007, 5:51 pm PST

I hate to get off topic, but...

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i will not blame the mother. you can not watch these kids 24/7. people have jobs and other kids to raise. her mother probably talked to her over and over and it just went in one ear and out the other. when a child leaves the parents house they do what they want. kids have minds of their own and those are minds of a child not an adult. my 20 year old just met a man on the internet. i talked to him. come to find out she had him pick her up from our home. even he told my daughter that was not wise. but she is still going to his house and he has bought her things and she claims no sex but i was shocked to find she went to his house alone no less and now he knows where we live. this just goes to show how kids do not listen to us. actually i believe it is stupid on the woman's part to even go  to another state with a man let alone another country. i have a friend who left her house , job, and her car, to be with a man another state. he had already cheated on her while he was in the other state when he first arrived in the state. he even told her and told her how stupid she was. he ended up dumping her and she got back with him months later and moved to the state with him. they were only together 6 months and she was back home. no job, no home, no car. she now has to start all over again. she is living with her grown kids. sad.  i hate to say it but most men will not pack up and leave like that. he has to have some kind of control over the situation. not us women. we go in blind as bat and think love will conquer all. i learned at an early age that is not the case. actually i was 18 when i learned that. i am glad i was 18 and stupid i do not  want to be 39 and stupid. get it together young lady.

What do you mean, “you cannot watch these kids 24/7?”  In this day and age of predators and sex offenders and whatnot out there, this is practically a suggestion/requirement.  NO parent should have to work outside the home 10-12 hours a day to the point where all they do at home is eat and sleep (and it’s time we do something about the economy so they don’t actually have to.)  Kids today need lots of attention, and for their parents to spend time with them, whether they are 5 or 15; it is a FACT.  Dr. Phil has always stressed that if need be (and in Katie’s case, need definitely WAS), sell the house you currently live in for a smaller place, disconnect cable and such to reduce bills, etc. in order to WORK LESS and spend more time with the children.  Other kids to raise?  No excuse!  Spend time with all the children as a FAMILY!  Encourage the child in question (in a non-threatening, non-nagging tone) to get involved and spend time doing activities with the other children.  It is not that hard.

 

I hate to get off topic, but these days, parents are working, working, working to do more than just pay the bills and mortgage and feed the family.  We live in a society where material possessions take precedence over our children’s welfare, to live a forced celebrity lifestyle like Kanye West, Victoria “Posh Spice” Beckham, Hilary Duff, Justin Timberlake, et al.  Shawn and Katherine’s family situation is living proof that this is not beneficial to the children at all, and it is coming back to haunt us.  Really, there should be a psychology book speaking out against all this entitled, “Lock the Door, Honey, it’s the Joneses.”  Nowadays, parents are realizing that children do best when one parent stays at home with them (unless, of course, you’re questioning the future of your marriage while working.)  Which would you rather be spoiled with, lots of physical/emotional love from parents/guardians, or lots of “stuff” that will be obsolete or passé in a decade?

 

My point is, if Shawn had taken time out to spend with Katherine, and had “the talk” with her about strangers on the Internet to begin with, (which she obviously didn’t) she definitely would not be in this sticky situation to begin with.

 
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November 14, 2007, 5:52 pm PST

Geography Lesson

Last time I looked at a map, there was no Palestine. She was in the West Bank? Gaza?

I think she was/is plan lost. There are Israeli women who fall victim to this same issue.

and there are organizations in Israel which help them get out of a dangerous situation.

 

 
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