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Topic : 06/17 A Daughter in Danger? Part 2

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(Original Air Date: 11/15/07) Dr. Phil continues the story of a young woman who made international headlines when she ran away to Palestine to be with a man she met on the Internet when she was just 16. Katherine was stopped by the FBI and brought back home, but two years later and now an adult, she’s left the United States again to be with Abdullah, the man she says she loves and wants to marry. Katherine’s terrified family thinks she is being brainwashed, and may never be allowed to return home. They say they’ve witnessed Abdullah’s violent temper when he’s verbally abused her over the phone. Now, in an exclusive interview via satellite, Dr. Phil speaks with Katherine and Abdullah together. Is Abdullah lying about letting Katherine return home? Is this couple already married? Talk about the show here.

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November 15, 2007, 5:04 pm PST

clarification...

i am muslim, there are so much misinformation out here about muslims it's unbelievable. but i'll write one thing here for now.

a person who truly believes in islam KNOWS that you NEVER cut off ties with your family. It is ABSOLUTELY NOT ALLOWED. It is awfully strange that this guy doesn't care that his girlfriend is there w/o her family's approval and hasn't given her family a chance.

Also one of the basic law in having a VALID Islamic marriage is having a 'wali' for the bride which is usually her father. The bride MUST have a wali present at the wedding for it to be valid (and he needs to sign the marriage contract). The purpose of a wali is for someone to 'look over' the woman's affairs to PROTECT her. Which obviously in this case she needs.  If the girl doesnt have a father then it wouldbe her grandfather, if no grandfather then it would be brother (and so on).

Read the basics on performing a marriage contract (called a nikah) in Islam. Islamically the marriage would be invalid without the presence of her wali (or another term is guardian).

 
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November 15, 2007, 5:05 pm PST

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 I watched the show with growing surprise!  America is that great, huh?  Why do some people here think everyone wants a visa to stay here? Also: Why doesn't the family attempt to get to know his culture, the country, or religion better?  I am an immigrant to America, and I see in her mother's reaction the same I saw in my mother's.  She doesn't want me to be in America, and granted, I would have -at least financially and crime-wise- a better life in my homeland.  But yet, I choose to stay: for my American husband, for my daughter.  Have you nay-sayers ever thought about that?  America is not all that.  There is to every country a distinct beauty, a flair, and fascination about it... not just evil as soon as it is called 'overseas'.  But then again, if you don't want to break out of your ethnocentric belief system, you will never understand.
Then Dr.Phil's solution:  great if it works out, but if it don't!  Total loss of trust.  Then she is 'lost' forever. She is young, she has the energy and the lack of responsibilities that she can just dump her whole family.  In my case, my parents didn't 'approve' of my actions.  Every time I speak to my mother, she wants me to come back.  As long that is in her mind, I will never be able to tell her what is going on (really), or talk about my concerns, frustrations, problems, and so on.  It will always turn into: Just come back, we love you, we are family. 
And besides all that: What makes some people think she will be safer back home?  How many domestic violence cases are there each year in America?  And -uh- how many Muslims live here?  Last time I checked America is a country with a big Muslim following.  There are more Muslims in America living right now than there are Muslims in Palestine.  Ever thought about that?  Leave the religion out of it!  Or do I have to mention the Catholic Church and the second-class members (I am Catholic)? Or all those fanatic bible fans? How can you deny Darwinism? Only in America... over 48% of adults deny it... Is that normal?  How many spouses lay dead every year?  She can get a crummy boyfriend just as easy here as in Palestine.  How much inequality is here? Sexism?  Racism?  You really believe she has it better here?  Plain and simple: no matter where you are and with whom you are, you will have the potential for problems. The family makes a return almost impossible, and on the end of the day she is going to stick with him more the more her family dislikes him. Grow up, Mom.  She is a big girl now.
you do not like it here then go back to where you came from. I wish more immigrants who say they hate Americans and America would go back. the reason why there a re a growing number of Musilms here and all over the world is because they do plan for world domination. they want to become citizens so they will be able to vote for their leaders to be in power. Like the guy who wants to run for presiden (i can't remember his name right now). He claims to have converted to Christianity but I do not believe that. Bottom line if you do not like it here then get out. That goes for all the liberals who want to complain about everything American.
 
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November 15, 2007, 5:06 pm PST

11/15 A Daughter in Danger? Part 2

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You say you are Palestinian but you don't even know this couple. Also I don't know what kind of agenda you have by talking about Christian oppression but it's irrelevant. Also do you realize that there are millions of Christians living extremely well in the Middle East. I know this firsthand. Egypt has 20 MILLION Christian, Palestine, Jordan, and Lebanon have million more. You cannot assume she is in danger, I find a lot of what you're saying to be bigotted.

Christian oppression is irrelevant!  There are millions of Christians living extremely well in the M.E.!

 

It doesn't matter how MANY Christians are there - that does not translate into them living well.  Exactly where do you get you info?  What happened to all those Christian during the last summer in Lebanon when the conflict (also called warfare)  was going on?  I think you are the one that is a bigot.

 

Also, I am confused on where this girl is.  Jericho is located in the West Bank.  Gaza is on the the Mediterran Ocean.  Dr. Phil stated she was in both places - or is he doing this to try and provide additional protection?  Or --- do I not know the georgraphy of Israel?

 
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November 15, 2007, 5:10 pm PST

is this mother nuts?!!

 I had to rewind this show twice, cause I couldn't believe what I was seeing. This mother DROVE her 18 year old daughter to the airport, allowing her to get on a plane to meet some man she met on the INTERNET, half way across the world!? Allowing the daughter to meet up with some stranger who has been abusive on the phone? Did this mother lose her marbles!! Are you kidding me?!  If she wanted to jump off a cliff, would this mother escort her to the mountain?  This is so irresponsible! I don't care that the daughter is 18 and legally of age! Take away her passport if there is a possibility that her safety is at risk!  There is no way under God I would allow this! If and when the daughter comes back, lock her in her room till she's 21! Or at least get an unlisted phone number and disconnect the internet! From what was shown on the television, this is an abusive relationship just waiting to happen. As a responsible parent, protect your children! 
 
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November 15, 2007, 5:15 pm PST

kathrine coming home

I watched the two days that dr.phil was doing the story on kathrine does anybody know when part three is going to be on i just want to see if she gets home ok and i want to see is he was abusing her

can you please write me back if you know?

thanks

hsanchez

 
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November 15, 2007, 5:20 pm PST

11/15 A Daughter in Danger? Part 2

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 I watched the show with growing surprise!  America is that great, huh?  Why do some people here think everyone wants a visa to stay here? Also: Why doesn't the family attempt to get to know his culture, the country, or religion better?  I am an immigrant to America, and I see in her mother's reaction the same I saw in my mother's.  She doesn't want me to be in America, and granted, I would have -at least financially and crime-wise- a better life in my homeland.  But yet, I choose to stay: for my American husband, for my daughter.  Have you nay-sayers ever thought about that?  America is not all that.  There is to every country a distinct beauty, a flair, and fascination about it... not just evil as soon as it is called 'overseas'.  But then again, if you don't want to break out of your ethnocentric belief system, you will never understand.
Then Dr.Phil's solution:  great if it works out, but if it don't!  Total loss of trust.  Then she is 'lost' forever. She is young, she has the energy and the lack of responsibilities that she can just dump her whole family.  In my case, my parents didn't 'approve' of my actions.  Every time I speak to my mother, she wants me to come back.  As long that is in her mind, I will never be able to tell her what is going on (really), or talk about my concerns, frustrations, problems, and so on.  It will always turn into: Just come back, we love you, we are family. 
And besides all that: What makes some people think she will be safer back home?  How many domestic violence cases are there each year in America?  And -uh- how many Muslims live here?  Last time I checked America is a country with a big Muslim following.  There are more Muslims in America living right now than there are Muslims in Palestine.  Ever thought about that?  Leave the religion out of it!  Or do I have to mention the Catholic Church and the second-class members (I am Catholic)? Or all those fanatic bible fans? How can you deny Darwinism? Only in America... over 48% of adults deny it... Is that normal?  How many spouses lay dead every year?  She can get a crummy boyfriend just as easy here as in Palestine.  How much inequality is here? Sexism?  Racism?  You really believe she has it better here?  Plain and simple: no matter where you are and with whom you are, you will have the potential for problems. The family makes a return almost impossible, and on the end of the day she is going to stick with him more the more her family dislikes him. Grow up, Mom.  She is a big girl now.

Hmmm - the person you need to share your feelings with are your HUSBAND!!  -- not us.  If he loves you so much I am sure he will make arrangements for you to go back home and visit with your family (along with any children).  If he doesn't, he is no better than Abdullah - but at least the U.S. government would not look the other way while a husband held his wife hostage.  Is that what you are saying - your husband is refusing to let you talk, converse, visit (in either direction) your family?  Is his parents assisting him in keeping you from your family, screening your calls, giving him money to keep you under lock and key?

 

Back to the show.  This girl is a child.  This relationship (and I use the word loosely) with Abdullah was initiated when she was 16 years old.  It is obvious he is abusive, immature, and use to getting his way in all situations (heck, even his Dad is assisting him).  I don't know what this guy has gone through living in that part of the world with all the violence, but unfortunately  it has damaged him in some way.  I wouldn't be surprised if the culture had something to do with it also. 

 

I seriously doubt the U.S. embassy would issue a Visa to the likes of him.  He hits me as someone who is so unstable, he could easily become a terrorist.  Sad, but true.

 
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November 15, 2007, 5:20 pm PST

You Made Your Bed... Now Sleep In It

Apprently her parents needed to be watching this child more.

She met some guy over the internet, and says she is happy when you can clearly see that she has to "ask permission" if she can come back to America! Its CRAZY!

 

I think its sad that her parents weren't watching her, and its even worse she'd put her self in this kind of situation. But they say "You made your bed, now sleep in it". She decided to leave, so she should have to stay there no matter what. Running away wasn't the answer in the first place, yet she did it anyways. Thats too bad. Oh well she should feel stupid by putting her family threw all this crap!

She is 18 years old now, and she will do whatever it is she wants. I personally think she's being bullheaded, but she think she isn't and is "happy" if she's so happy let her stay there and see where she is in 10 years. IF she's still around.

 

 

 

 

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November 15, 2007, 5:21 pm PST

what is typical?

Quote From: caddy59

The mother dropped the girl of at the airport when she was leaving ,now she is crying the blues on the dr phil show,and the mother got dr phil hook line and sinker by doing a 2 part program on it it must be good for the ratings .

The girl is 18 and conciderd an adult in the state of michican,

The mother is upset because her daugther isnt dating a white boy and doesnt understand a muslim person,it is so typical american.

 

 

 

 

You really think that she contacted the Dr. Phil show so she could be on TV? Could it possibly be that she is just concerned about her daughter, and perhaps the fact that she is thousands of miles away from home with basically a "stranger?" I doubt very seriously that she really cares what color this lying, abusing, abducting loser's skin is.Give me a break....
 
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November 15, 2007, 5:22 pm PST

A Daughter in Danger

I believe the only reason he wants this young, naive American teenager to marry him is to gain American citizenship and come to the United States with plans to harm Americans. I believe every American that lived through the horror of 9/11 should be very skeptical of any foreigner that wants to marry an American citizen after meeting them on the internet and having known them in person for two weeks.  I know that American citizens meet and fall in love with people from other countries all the time and that is fine. But for someone to want to marry an 18 year old girl he has been corresponding with on the internet and personally has known for two weeks is insane!!! I pray she realizes what she is getting into and gets out quick before it is too late. This is nothing but teenage rebellion and she will regret it for the rest of her life!!!
 
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November 15, 2007, 5:28 pm PST

11/15 A Daughter in Danger? Part 2

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y do yal assume the worst? maybe he learned the wrong english words sounds like his english is kida poor i see no marks on her maybe they do love eachother she needs to make mistakes to learn from them not all arab men are bad yal always assume the worst
so now you have to see marks on a person to say they are in danger really get real and why is he lying to her and her family if he loves her that a way to show  love for her and where in that whole 2 shows say that arab man are bad they talk about the war there and that shes being lied to and he hiding something what he is so its not assuming to worst because the worst  has already started she has no one there to safe her or help her there
 
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