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(Original Air Date: 11/15/07) Dr. Phil continues the story of a young woman who made international headlines when she ran away to Palestine to be with a man she met on the Internet when she was just 16. Katherine was stopped by the FBI and brought back home, but two years later and now an adult, she’s left the United States again to be with Abdullah, the man she says she loves and wants to marry. Katherine’s terrified family thinks she is being brainwashed, and may never be allowed to return home. They say they’ve witnessed Abdullah’s violent temper when he’s verbally abused her over the phone. Now, in an exclusive interview via satellite, Dr. Phil speaks with Katherine and Abdullah together. Is Abdullah lying about letting Katherine return home? Is this couple already married? Talk about the show here.

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November 15, 2007, 11:05 am PST

11/15 A Daughter in Danger? Part 2

Quote From: nanaat43

I think you are naive, or dumb to thnk this poster is bigotted. She is absolutely correct. I live with my daughter here in the states who is married to a man from Palestine (Jordan) at first he said this man family will let her go home if she wants to, but when I told him don't stick up you them because they come from where you come from, be honest, this family may not be like your family, when he heard she was in the Gaza Strip my son-in-law said oh she's gone. I am watching the second part right now, Katherine is saying what she is saying ecause she was told what to say before hand, meaning she was told if they say this you say this......it is naive to thnk she is speaking freely. Whatever Abdullah tells her she beleives, he most likely told her that whatever you say in privite I will know, somone I know is taping this so if  you say anything wrong I will find out and you wil never go home, it s a threat to Katherine. 

Also my son-in-law sad it is true that when a muslim man marries a Christian women it is his duty to convert her to musim, the reason men are allowed to marry Christians are for that purpose, muslim women are not allowed to to marry a Christian man, they are not strong enough to convert their husbands.

Now I hear that Katherine's family did have her watch "not without my daughter" and it made no impact on her, her reply was childish and very Naive "that is a different area" coming from a young girl that just admitted that she knows nothing of their country or culture, she didn't study it inschool. Now I just watched the previews for tomorrows show and Katherine admitts Abdullah has been abusive towards her, now that Dr. Phil got her home (Praise GOD) the truth comes out.

 

Okay, so I'm one of the few on here who's actually lived in the Middle East and is Muslim but you're calling me naive?!!! LMAO So you're the expert on the Middle East now, I guess people from the Middle East have no clue how the Middle East is... the logic is just so questionable.

 

Most women in the Middle East are treated with respect as I have been. Just because you have watched a movie where a woman was abused (which that happens in every place on earth occasionally) doesn't make it the norm.

 

What you're saying is false. A Muslim man is allowed to marry a Christian or Jewish women (though most marry Muslim women because it makes it easier on the children) they may keep their religion because in the Quran both Jews and Christians are considered to be people of the book and to be respected. I really am quite ammused that you are trying to teach me about my own religion....

 
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November 15, 2007, 11:11 am PST

My heart goes out to Shawn

I really feel Shawn's emotions.  It is so hard when your child takes a direction that is wrong.  In Shawn's case it is so much worse because of the international aspect.  God bless Dr. Phil for his efforts to get Katherine back on U. S. soil. I think maybe she's ready, but doesn't want to make her situation worse over there. I do believe there is abuse --at least mental and most likely physical, there.  I watched 'Not Without my Daughter' and it does look as if Katherine is headed down the same path.I know there will be a follow-up show about the outcome of this event.

 

 

As much as I was glued to the show, one thing that diverted me from the conversations was calling Jill Katherines 'great aunt'.  There is no such thing, any more than there is a 'great mother'.  It would be grand aunt if she is the sister of a grandparent..

 
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November 15, 2007, 11:14 am PST

11/15 A Daughter in Danger? Part 2

Quote From: zotolly

That girl had better grow a brain and FAST.

I converted to Islam and married a Muslim. (the came back to the church)

And I can tell you she is in DANGER!

It looked like they are having premarital sex and the punishment for that is DEATH! No joke! I saw them touching and hugging ; that is NOT allowed in Islam. If this show is seen in Jordan and the wrong person sees it ;she could be killed. This is VERY serious. She needs to grow up.

If they do get married and they have kids. Those kids are legally the fathers. Mom has NO rights to the kids. NEVER.

If the husband gets sick of her he can lie and say she committed adultery. And she WILL be stoned!

It takes 3 words to be divorced I divorce you and it is done; no court; and she gets a plane ticket home and never sees the kids again.

And he can marry up to 4 wives. Does that little girl want to be 1 or 4 wives.

It is easy to predict her future if she stays. It will be death.

The cultural difference and he lack of a brain of her will be the death of her.

Sad but true.

Your experience doesn't represent all experiences. If you ever really converted to Islam I doubt you would be talking like this, obvioulsy you just faked it to please your man and I'm sorry for that but it isn't right to jump into anyting you're not comfortable with. You say that having premaratal sex is punishable by death, well, most conservative Muslim women wouldn't have sex before marriage but it does occasionally happen and they're not being killed. Have you ever even been to the Middle East? Or a country that has a majority of Muslims? Try travelling a bit before you make your assumptions, if premarital sex was punishable by death and really enforced, millions of people would be killed each year, it just isn't so. Traditions of a small tribe or a strict sect doesn't make it true for all of the Middle East. I really am appauled at how many people are generalizing.
 
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November 15, 2007, 11:24 am PST

11/15 A Daughter in Danger? Part 2

being the curious myspace user that i am i decided to search abdullah and im just kind of curious as to why the age on his profile is 16 and not 22 ???
 
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November 15, 2007, 11:36 am PST

11/15 A Daughter in Danger? Part 2

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Abdellah says that if they have children, the children can decide what religion they want to be when they grow up. That is a lie. According to the Islamic religion, the children belong to the father. The mother is merely the incubator. Therefore they are automatically muslim. They will be given muslim names, raised in the muslim religion, and should they want to change later on in life, they run the risk of being severly beaten and even killed.  Secondly, once she gets married, she will need written consent from her husband to be able to travel. She is bound by national law, and the national law is Islamic Law. The fact that she carries an American passport means nothing. I was married in Egypt and those were the laws of the land. This poor young lady thinks that she is on some romantic adventure. She doesnt realize the dangerous waters that she is in. Lastly, should she have any children with this man, and he by some remote chance gives her permission to travel, 99.99% probability, she will be forced to leave her children behind. I hope she wakes up before it's too late. My prayers are with her mother, and my heart goes out to her. I am a mother too, and when I lost my husband, I almost lost custody of my child too. I had to go to court against his family and file for sole custody of MY child.

 

 

Are you actually saying that in Egypt you cannot leave without your husband's permission even if you have a U.S. passport? Because that isn't true actually, if you hold a European or American passport you are allowed to leave. She's in Palestine, not Saudi Arabia or Iran. There are U.S. embassies in both Israel and Jordan that she could have access to. Also women in Islam are not just "incubators." Women are most important in Islam when it comes to children, she is who will be around them more and will teach them more. Just because you had a bad experience doesn't make that the norm.
 
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November 15, 2007, 11:48 am PST

Correctio

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A Danger Daughter In Part Phil Two. Just like one part in Doctor House Phil. See you on Thursday Novem-

ber 15th, 2007. Sincerley Your. Russell Vlaanderen.-------------------------------------------------------------------------- 

Dr. Phil,

You keep mention that the daughter went to Palestine country, but there is not offical country called Palestine. The west bank Jericho is in Israel, and before belong to Jordan.

The local Palestinian like to refer to their area as Palestine country.

I was born in Israel and living in the US now.

From my knowledge of the Palestinian people, her boyfriend will convert her to Muslin and force her to cover her face, and have his children and do all the house work and caring for the children, and restict her from any outside contact. He will mistreat her and physical abuse her. As Muslin in case of divorce the father take the children, and that what keep the woman staying.

Right now he is lie to her until he marry her, and than he will show his true face.

Unless someone save her, she will be too afraid to do anything.

Save her, as she have very dark future.

Julia

 
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November 15, 2007, 11:53 am PST

11/15 A Daughter in Danger? Part 2

Quote From: zotolly

In the USA ISLAM has religious freedoms; but NOT is ISLAMIC countries.

You can date whoever you want in the U.S; but you WILL BE KILLED for dating in Islamic countries.

DONT thing all countries have this "freedom to be loose"  that you have.

Please stop generalizing. In Dubai, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, parts of Palestine and Syria, people do date. Not everyone in the Middle East has an arranged marriage and to assume so is ignorent. There are more strict areas and even those who date often don't have sex until marriage but to say the entire Middle East is prohibitted to date and whoever does so will be killed is completely false.
 
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November 15, 2007, 11:57 am PST

11/15 A Daughter in Danger? Part 2

Quote From: shisha4

Your experience doesn't represent all experiences. If you ever really converted to Islam I doubt you would be talking like this, obvioulsy you just faked it to please your man and I'm sorry for that but it isn't right to jump into anyting you're not comfortable with. You say that having premaratal sex is punishable by death, well, most conservative Muslim women wouldn't have sex before marriage but it does occasionally happen and they're not being killed. Have you ever even been to the Middle East? Or a country that has a majority of Muslims? Try travelling a bit before you make your assumptions, if premarital sex was punishable by death and really enforced, millions of people would be killed each year, it just isn't so. Traditions of a small tribe or a strict sect doesn't make it true for all of the Middle East. I really am appauled at how many people are generalizing.

I converted 3 years before I met my DH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

 

Have you ever been to these countries? I have been to Pakistan and Saudi for Ramadan.

You can be appalled all you want; its the truth. Go visit Pakistan or Saudi and flirt with a man; then come back and tell us what happened!

You need to grow up little girl! I HAVE traveled the world. Have you.

 
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November 15, 2007, 11:57 am PST

Daughter in Danger

Quote From: gwenrod

Abdellah says that if they have children, the children can decide what religion they want to be when they grow up. That is a lie. According to the Islamic religion, the children belong to the father. The mother is merely the incubator. Therefore they are automatically muslim. They will be given muslim names, raised in the muslim religion, and should they want to change later on in life, they run the risk of being severly beaten and even killed.  Secondly, once she gets married, she will need written consent from her husband to be able to travel. She is bound by national law, and the national law is Islamic Law. The fact that she carries an American passport means nothing. I was married in Egypt and those were the laws of the land. This poor young lady thinks that she is on some romantic adventure. She doesnt realize the dangerous waters that she is in. Lastly, should she have any children with this man, and he by some remote chance gives her permission to travel, 99.99% probability, she will be forced to leave her children behind. I hope she wakes up before it's too late. My prayers are with her mother, and my heart goes out to her. I am a mother too, and when I lost my husband, I almost lost custody of my child too. I had to go to court against his family and file for sole custody of MY child.

 

 

 After watching the show this morning, my heart really went out to Katherine's mother and to Katherine herself. At eighteen we think we know it all.

I have a question though, to anyone who can answer this. At the end of the show, there was a preview of the conclusion to this story. Katherine was on the Dr. Phil show with her family and was crying, telling of Abdellah beating her with a belt, hitting her, etc. and Abdellah was on satellite. So, I look on the website to see more previews of the conclusion, thinking it will be on tomorrow. But, tomorrows show is going to be about anorexia. What happened with the conclusion show to this story? I so wanted to see what eventually happened.
 
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November 15, 2007, 12:01 pm PST

11/15 A Daughter in Danger? Part 2

Quote From: shisha4

Please stop generalizing. In Dubai, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, parts of Palestine and Syria, people do date. Not everyone in the Middle East has an arranged marriage and to assume so is ignorent. There are more strict areas and even those who date often don't have sex until marriage but to say the entire Middle East is prohibitted to date and whoever does so will be killed is completely false.

Ummm. NO they dont!

GO read some Islamic message boards and talk with muslims. You need to be educated in facts and not fiction.

turntoislan and ummah.com

 

 
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