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(Original Air Date: 11/15/07) Dr. Phil continues the story of a young woman who made international headlines when she ran away to Palestine to be with a man she met on the Internet when she was just 16. Katherine was stopped by the FBI and brought back home, but two years later and now an adult, she’s left the United States again to be with Abdullah, the man she says she loves and wants to marry. Katherine’s terrified family thinks she is being brainwashed, and may never be allowed to return home. They say they’ve witnessed Abdullah’s violent temper when he’s verbally abused her over the phone. Now, in an exclusive interview via satellite, Dr. Phil speaks with Katherine and Abdullah together. Is Abdullah lying about letting Katherine return home? Is this couple already married? Talk about the show here.

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November 24, 2007, 10:48 pm PST

11/15 A Daughter in Danger? Part 2

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Now you want to get into the slaves thing. Oh Brother give me a brake. Black people often like to go back to the My relatives were slaves.

 

Yeah well I guess you didn't know that the Muslims started the slave trade and that Africans sold their own people into slavery.

 

You really made me laugh with this post thanks a lot.

 

I live in south just so you know. Down here there are just about as many black people as there are white. It really seems like there are more black racist than there are white. My family has experienced it,

Oooh here you go again.  Just can't help yourself!  Yet another generalization about another race.  Well, for your info  I was born in South America, raised in England and now live in the US .... so where exactly would you like me to go back to???

 

Really sorry I posted anyting on this message board.  It is clear this is just about being right  and not trying to understand where other's may becoming from.  Can't argue with ignorance!

 

I have no idea what the whole South thing is about .... I was commenting on your suggestion that if people didn't think like you they should go back to where they come from. 

 

ENOUGH -

 
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November 25, 2007, 7:33 am PST

11/15 A Daughter in Danger? Part 2

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Um, no.

 

I am white (scottish) married to a man who was born and raised in Yemen. He has never once called me anything either than my name or our nicknames for eachother. I know many, many, women who are married to Muslim men who are either a convert like me or are still Christian or Jewish - I can only think of one bad scenario and it is because the guy is out drinking, partying, etc and still calls his girlfriend bad names because she did that stuff before they even met. He calls her that stuff not because he is Muslim and 'most' of the Muslim men are programmed that way - no. It is because he is a jerk - plain and simple.

 

If you think for one second that all middle eastern and/or Muslim women have lead lives that are so virtuous and pure from day 1 - think again. Sadly, there is a growing culture in the middle east where even while the woman is veiled head to toe, she is using her bluetooth to pick up guys and vice versa. Every man and woman, regardless of race or religion, will be tempted to go off a path of virtue. Some take it, some don't. What people also don't realize is that there is a HUGE difference between a practising Muslim and one who was just 'born' Muslim and doesn't follow any of the teachings. Non-practising Muslims are usually the type you meet at the bar, through their girlfriend or boyfriend, in house parties, etc.

 

If you get your advice from one of the 'Muslims' mentioned above, trust me, you aren't getting correct information....

 I don't take or get advice from these people. While on the internet I ignore them.

I also don't presume them to be a beacon of islam.

Islam has a lot of great qualities about it. I love the whole concept of nature and godliness. But it has a lot of fanatics as well.

To me spirituality should be a personal thing, y'know between me and God.

Islam seems  too ... political.

 
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November 25, 2007, 7:46 am PST

11/15 A Daughter in Danger? Part 2

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Being Islam/muslim isn't a race, its a religion so you cant really be racist. Its like trying to say Christians is a race, its not.

 

And thank you for your post its very truthful and correct.

Thank you for reading and replying.  I swear, if we can't criticize islam then we are nothing but dhimis. THAT...I refuse to be.
 
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November 25, 2007, 11:32 am PST

Can You read?

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Oooh here you go again.  Just can't help yourself!  Yet another generalization about another race.  Well, for your info  I was born in South America, raised in England and now live in the US .... so where exactly would you like me to go back to???

 

Really sorry I posted anyting on this message board.  It is clear this is just about being right  and not trying to understand where other's may becoming from.  Can't argue with ignorance!

 

I have no idea what the whole South thing is about .... I was commenting on your suggestion that if people didn't think like you they should go back to where they come from. 

 

ENOUGH -

I said that if people do not like it here then they can leave.

 

Again you are twisting my words around, and you are the one saying I am ignorant.

 

Really what is so wrong about telling somebody who claims they hate it here and have nothing good to say about America that they can leave and nobody is making them stay here?

 

Was I telling you to go back anywhere? NO!

 

Yes a lot of blacks do like to go back to the slave thing. Not all of them. I can't generalize now because i do have a lot black friends.

 

Why don't you just respond to me by saying something inteligent and actually reading what I write instead of just skimming through till you find something you can twist around.

 

 

 
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November 25, 2007, 2:32 pm PST

Enough Yourself

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Oooh here you go again.  Just can't help yourself!  Yet another generalization about another race.  Well, for your info  I was born in South America, raised in England and now live in the US .... so where exactly would you like me to go back to???

 

Really sorry I posted anyting on this message board.  It is clear this is just about being right  and not trying to understand where other's may becoming from.  Can't argue with ignorance!

 

I have no idea what the whole South thing is about .... I was commenting on your suggestion that if people didn't think like you they should go back to where they come from. 

 

ENOUGH -

Ok sorry I did not mean to generalize all black people. How about saying some of them. There that is better. Oh and I am not racist against black people I have quite a few black friends.

 

If you did read my messages then you would know that I was saying that if you do not like it here then you can leave. the person who I was talking to was going on about how bad America is. If you hate here that much then you can go somewhere else.

 

I was not saying if you are not from here go back to where you came from. Or that if you do not like me then leave. You really should quit twisting my words around. Do you even bother to read whole messages before you start typing?

 
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November 25, 2007, 3:08 pm PST

Sorry

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Ok sorry I did not mean to generalize all black people. How about saying some of them. There that is better. Oh and I am not racist against black people I have quite a few black friends.

 

If you did read my messages then you would know that I was saying that if you do not like it here then you can leave. the person who I was talking to was going on about how bad America is. If you hate here that much then you can go somewhere else.

 

I was not saying if you are not from here go back to where you came from. Or that if you do not like me then leave. You really should quit twisting my words around. Do you even bother to read whole messages before you start typing?

I did not mean to post 2 messages. I thought that maybe my first message was not going to be posted so I posted another one.
 
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November 25, 2007, 3:17 pm PST

I can't wait till tomorrow

Tomorrow is the 3rd part and I can't wait to watch it then maybe we all will have something new to talk about.

 
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November 25, 2007, 6:12 pm PST

all the above!

Quote From: pawsonya

I'm tired of hearing how ignorant and uneducated americans are on the subject of islam.

People in the muslim community have said that the sale of korans in the U.S. rose 67% after nine eleven.. If that figure is true then 1.3 out of 3 americans either bought a koran or rented one from  the library.

It's weird when I hear people say we're ignorant or uneducated considering those figural parameters.

Most americans didn't know anything about islam before nine eleven.

I say that's a hell of an education to get.

FORGIVE US FOR BEING OVERLY SENSITIVE.

 

And yet, what do the american people do anyway?

 

They go out and buy korans.

 

Please people, don't let anyone ever make you feel guilty for being american and for trying to understand the enemy..

 

    Ignorant, uneducated ? That would be me.  But guilty I am not. I didn't know much about the subject of islam before 9-11 and I still don't know much about it after 9-11.  Nothing about it was taught to me in my eduction through out my 12 years of school. I didn't have an opportunity to go to college and even if I had I doubt I would have choose it as a subject. I was never much on history, cultures or religions. But now that I'm older and a little wiser it wouldn't hurt. I would never treat anyone badly, the thought never enters my mind. But I do watch my back because in these times you can trust no one. It doesn't matter if you are red, white or black, where you are or who you're with. I was raised not to trust a stranger and I see more of them than I do people I know.

     As far as religion goes I am the only girl born in my family and I have four brothers. When Sunday came and that bus came rolling down the street my mom made sure all five of us were on it. We spent most of the day in church, now when I look back on it  thoses days were the best days of my life.

     I don't understand why things have turned so ugly on the board. When I came on I didn't know what to think!  How did the subject matter turn into such a mess? This is (or at least I thought) suppose to be about a young girl who left the country alone and her family is very concerned and afraid for her.  It would not matter to me where she took off to I would still be worried. There are cruel, vicious people everywhere.

I pray for her safe return.

 
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November 25, 2007, 8:30 pm PST

11/15 A Daughter in Danger? Part 2

Quote From: michaelac

premarital sex is NOT punishable by death in Islam. You are confusing adultery with premarital sex. Also, these punishments are rarely carried out. Get your "facts" straight.
I converted to Islam and I studied the religion before I made my decision. You should get your facts straight and if you really were a true muslim you would know right from wrong. Please watch what you say and write...
 
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November 26, 2007, 8:12 am PST

this is not about islam

this is about being lured over the net to a foreign country!  i was lured over the net and this story is eerily similar to mine except for the abuse.  He is manipulative, alienated my family and friends, couldn't get a visa here, hooked me with the future i wanted (children, a house, stability), and claimed that he loved me dearly.  Now i am afraid to break it off.  This could easily be any woman!  This has NOTHING to do with religion!  it is all about predatory behavior!  My guy was a western country with laws simliar to here in the US.  i am afraid that he will do something to my family's business or will do something to retaliate if i don't go back over there.  he is pushing for me to come back over there again...
 
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