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Topic : 06/17 A Daughter in Danger? Part 2

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(Original Air Date: 11/15/07) Dr. Phil continues the story of a young woman who made international headlines when she ran away to Palestine to be with a man she met on the Internet when she was just 16. Katherine was stopped by the FBI and brought back home, but two years later and now an adult, she’s left the United States again to be with Abdullah, the man she says she loves and wants to marry. Katherine’s terrified family thinks she is being brainwashed, and may never be allowed to return home. They say they’ve witnessed Abdullah’s violent temper when he’s verbally abused her over the phone. Now, in an exclusive interview via satellite, Dr. Phil speaks with Katherine and Abdullah together. Is Abdullah lying about letting Katherine return home? Is this couple already married? Talk about the show here.

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November 18, 2007, 9:30 pm PST

DAUGHTER IN DANGER

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It doesn't take a board certified psychologist to see she is in danger. If things were perfectly fine then why does he have to monitor every phone call she makes? Why is he so rude and disrespectful to her family? Come on now and put two and two together. You don't have to know this couple to see that something doesn't add up. There many be many of Christians living well in the middle east, but why are they there? Do they long to live in that country, or are they working there? I cannot imagine that someone with a sound mind would WANT to live there.Also, comparing Egypt to Palestine is like comparing a prison to a five star hotel.
I DO AGREE IT REALLY DON'T TAKE A ROCKET SCIENTIST TO LOOK AT  THIS YOUNG LADY AND SEE THE FEAR IN HER EYES.SHE IS NOT TELLING ALL.
 
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November 19, 2007, 3:13 am PST

He is an abuser!

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I want to start by saying that I love the show, watch it every day, and generally agree with your approach to your guests problems.  It is for exactly this reason that I felt compelled to write to you today regarding your recent airing of A Daughter in Distress, both parts of which I watched with my mother and younger sister.  We were unanimous in our agreement (and let me tell you that is not easily accomplished) that you definitely missed the mark on this one Dr. Phil.

 

I remember her story from 2 years ago, and truly at 16 years of age she was not worldly enough to understand what she was embarking on.  However, I wonder that her parents did not demand to confirm the details of her proposed trip to Canada with other parents/guardians no matter how trustworthy the child, she is still a child at 16!  Plug in a little!

 

On the other hand, we all felt you severely over-dramatized the age difference between the two 16 and 20 hardly calls for the title of older man, and now at 18 and 22 it barely registers on the inappropriateness scale!  Had he even been in his 30s it might have been cause for concern, but they were in high school at the same time!  When a senior and a sophomore date nobody calls the FBI!

 

When she was returned to the U.S. she made no secret of the fact that she would continue to speak with Abdallah and her parents allowed her to continue her online relationship with (I assume) supervision.  She further agreed not to run away to meet him until she turned 18.  She has now been speaking with this man for 2 solid years, and is still smitten.  Not only does this completely pass the puppy love test, but proves to me that she has gotten to know Abdallah very well and is as informed as she can be under the circumstances to make a more educated decision this time around.

 

On that note, the moment she turned 18 the law declares that she has the mental capacity to make such a decision on her own which necessarily means that you, Dr. Phil, can no longer refer to her as running away.  Her parents were fully informed of her plans and intentions prior to her trip, and if her mother was so concerned why didnt she arrange to accompany her?!  Even better if her mother had offered to chaperone a visit before her 18th birthday, to ensure that she returned safely home!!!

 

I can understand the familys concern over the ongoing conflict in that area of the world, but to say that she is in constant and imminent danger just by being over there is simply wrong.  Showing images of armed soldiers patrolling the streets and buildings exploding is sensationalist and unbalanced.  It would be the same of depicting America with images of 9/11 alone.  Again, I understand the concern, but seriously doubt she is in any real danger.

 

Regarding Abdallah himself, he has shown no indication that his intentions are not honorable.  True, he may have lied to her mother about his progress with regards to obtaining a VISA, but I also have no doubt that she was not asking him in any manner I might recognize as polite.  He probably lied just to shut her up.  I probably would have too!  Calling her aunt a bitch was undiplomatic, but also probably after a lengthy bout of yet again defending himself against this familys continuous onslaught of accusations.  He may have called Katherine names, but hes acknowledged that this isnt appropriate behavior and that indicates he has a chance of improving this bad habit he said hes going to stop doing that.  What more can you ask for?!  Why do you believe an American man when he makes such a promise, but not a Middle Eastern one Dr. Phil?

 

Furthermore, it was unfair to bring up the theory that if Abdallah did not marry Katherine he would seek out another American girl to marry.  Perhaps he has a preference for American women, perhaps he is drawn to their education; empowerment; and simply their liberation, which is so vastly in contrast to the idea of a Middle Eastern womans.  He has given no reason to assume its only because he wants a green card.

 

After seeing their interviews, I was satisfied that the two were crazy about each other and that Katherine was being well cared for and in no danger.  More than that she was having fun!  This is probably the biggest adventure shes ever been on, and who are you to say she needs to cut it short?  Especially in such a devious manner, promising her aid but admonishing her family to bombard her to change her mind the minute she lands on the tarmac!  For shame Dr. Phil!

 

The bottom line is that she is an adult (albeit a new one) and these are now her decisions to make, for better or worse.  Her family needs to stop acting like marrying an Islamic man is the end of the world, and start trying to accept the couple as is.  The only people in this whole thing being honest and adult about the matter are Katherine and Abdallah.  Leave them alone so they can get to know each other in peace!

 

Not only is he a liar..........he is an abuser!!   Adult or not, I would be snatching my daughter out of the clutches of that guy!  You clearly have never seen an abuser up close and personal or you wouldn't have missed the obvious signs.  For those of us who have seen the pattern of abuse in him.........it makes us terrified for her. 

 

Not to mention, you cannot deny that culturally, she does NOT have the same power as a woman. 

 

Good for her family for doing what they need to do to get her home!!

 
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November 19, 2007, 6:00 am PST

11/15 A Daughter in Danger? Part 2

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I agree--this man is not honorable. And I didn't realize about his having a business here.  I wonder how his father treats her now...  

 

Hoever, since this girl is so bull-headed, obstinate, stubborn, rebellious and knows everything about love, marriage and life at age 18, no one can change this situation. At 18 she's considered an adult in the U.S.A.  So, unless she wants to leave, she should stay, her family should stop trying to get her home, and everyone else should leave this alone.  Unfortunately, she will learn the hard way, and be very sorry.  That is sad, but however we make our bed, we must lie in it--at least for awhile; in other words, there are consequences for what we do, and we should accept them and our responsbility.  This is something we need to teach our children--about consequences for our actions.

You said it all and very well too. I agree wholeheartedly. Kids don't know how much they don't know.
 
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November 19, 2007, 7:21 am PST

11/15 A Daughter in Danger? Part 2

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Okay, so I'm one of the few on here who's actually lived in the Middle East and is Muslim but you're calling me naive?!!! LMAO So you're the expert on the Middle East now, I guess people from the Middle East have no clue how the Middle East is... the logic is just so questionable.

 

Most women in the Middle East are treated with respect as I have been. Just because you have watched a movie where a woman was abused (which that happens in every place on earth occasionally) doesn't make it the norm.

 

What you're saying is false. A Muslim man is allowed to marry a Christian or Jewish women (though most marry Muslim women because it makes it easier on the children) they may keep their religion because in the Quran both Jews and Christians are considered to be people of the book and to be respected. I really am quite ammused that you are trying to teach me about my own religion....

No one is saying that every single family in the middle east are out to convert young american girls and that is why they marry them, but it happens more than not. I think the people that are saying we are wrong are just naive or in denial , I don't care if you come from the middle east or if you visited the middle east or if you married from the middle east, every family is different. Every family is different no matter where you live, just because you have been lucky and not experienced hostility toward yourself doesn't mean it isn't happening there. Some women are treated with respect, my son in law sisters and mother are treated with respect as long as they understand their roles as wives and women, but if you think you are going to put a strong independent women who has established herself and will not be told what she can and can not do by a man over there, that is a different story. What I have said about Muslim men marrying Christian women I said THEY are allowed because they are considered the one to covert their wives to muslim, that is true, muslim women are generally NOT allowed to marry a western man, it happens though but not often. I am in no way trying to TEACH you about your religon, of course if you are muslim you will defend your religon, your country whatever, I supose that next Monday when Katherine is back on telling what did happen to her and what this family or Abdullah did do to her that your defense is she is just lying, your world you live in. My world is also involved somewhat by marriage but we as a family will not be naive to what could happen if we went to the middle east.
 
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November 19, 2007, 7:28 am PST

I was abused and 2500 miles away from home: Somehow reach Katherine

From a famous quote: I am not sure troubles women most the trouble of life, or the powerless feeling of vulnerability that envelops her soul when life goes off the chart of predictability.  It is paraphrased from Dr. Phil's friend T.D. Jakes.  Help Katherine to see the tragedies she is facing. 

This man is so much like my abuser in words and in culture.  He was a  first American generation, but he stuck to the old world ways.  We identified where his ancestors came from: Alsace Laraine. He was sure he could treat his woman so badly, because I belonged to him .  Don't let it happen to Katherine if you can. Once he is able to claim her as his own the horrors will really begin, and he will tire of her quickly, but still have her as his own.

I was young and pretty too, but I wasted all those years with him. I did escape from this man in a final move back home.  It was so scary to get away from him.  He died from cancer 2 years later.  He had found me

so many times that I didn't' believe it "oh right, he is dead".  I had to have the death certificate sent  to me for me to believe it.

 
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November 19, 2007, 7:40 am PST

11/15 A Daughter in Danger? Part 2

Quote From: dynasty143

I think that you need to ask your son-in-law some more questions.  Actually your son-in-law just seems to be arrogant. My husband is Muslim and he comes from a very religous family but i am catholic sure most muslim families would prefer for there children to marry there own religon but  it is not there duty to convert non-muslims they are supposed to accept all religons and at the same time teach there own.  You should really read the Quran because you are being falsified.  In fact both of my children are baptised catholic but are being raised muslim and we are letting them decide there faith god will lead the way
I talk to my son in law everyday my dear and we are always asking question, for a long time and even to this day he will defend his country, his family and say this does not go on anymore, how is that arrogant? Not all muslim men will go along with converting their wives (if not muslim) but alot do. My neice married a muslim, and not one that came from the middle east, looking at him you wouldn't know he was a muslim, he is a white as they come, perhaps he isn't a true muslim perhaps he converted himself, i do not know, but he said he was muslim before they got together and he made her convert, yes made her or he would leave her (although it was a choice for her) my son in law stated early on he would like my daughter to convert, my daughter is nothing like my neice and she told him it will never happen so don't bring it up again. He would try once in a while but nope not gonna happen. They do try so don't tell me they don't. He comes from a very religous family as well, their religon is very important to them as well as their family, in fact they own land, they own a store, the bootom floor is a family store run by family, the next floor the parents live on, the next floor his brother lives on and the top floor is my son in law's home, it is a very large home built by themselves. I choose not to read the Quran since it is not our religon and since we will never convert, he has his reilgon we have ours, we do not need to understand his religon as he does not need to understand ours. IF and I say IF they have children they will be raised Christian and when they are old enough they can find out about the muslim religon and decide for themselves. 
 
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November 19, 2007, 8:04 am PST

Part 3

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your so right Ive been coming in here every day to check the daily schedule for the part 3
Part 3 is scheduled to air November 26.
 
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November 19, 2007, 8:07 am PST

11/15 A Daughter in Danger? Part 2

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I really don't have a clue as to why the fuss is over this girl.

So she went over there at age 18! Her choice. Why is her family now on the Dr. Phil show wanting help? My feeling are: A movie or book deal.

It seems as though he has spoke to every member of her family, and the mother buys her another cellphone to continue communication with this man.

OOPS! I smell a rats in the wood pile, and it is the mother and aunts and dear sister.

Did you notice pics of her family when she was 16, now look at them. Dr. Phil, I really don't think they are starving, or crying their eyes out now. Yes, maybe when she was 16 (mother with puffy eyes, sobbing) NOW!!! Hell no. Just another day in the life of an American, there are millions of females in the USA, far worse than this girl. She just happens to be across the "big pond". Have a great day!!!

First of all with the tone you carry I no you could care less about what I or anyone else has to say but, what an uncaring selfish child you appear to be, there is no way you are a mother, if so I would pity your children.

She went over there at 18 what's the big deal? It started when she was 16, not all 16y/o are mature yet, make good decisions yet and can see to far in the real future. She got swept up in emotions and lies told by this idiot. Mistakes were made on the mothers part in the cellphone are agreed but does that mean she should just walk away, NO. A book or movie deal I am sure was not part of what the mother was in fear of, although it would be a good teaching tool for other young girls to learn about. If you do have children I suggest that you take some parenting classes and if you don't have children, grow up before you do.

 
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November 19, 2007, 8:13 am PST

11/15 A Daughter in Danger? Part 2

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I am VERY excited...My daughter is due to return home from Lebanon tomorrow after secretly leaving a month ago.  She is both excited about coming home and sad about leaving.  But her sadness tells me only one thing...She was happy, well provided for, and well cared for.  They provided her with phone cards any time she wanted one to call home, when she got sick, they took care of her,she only took flip-flops and they bought her warm, fuzzy boots because it turned colder there.  These are just a few examples of the kindness shown to her during her stay.  That does not mean that I was not scared and worried-I WAS!!!  I will be until she walks into the house, but she was with a very loving, caring family, and I thank God for that, and for them.  I have 1 fear for the future, though...That she will go back to stay for good...I pray that she don't because I will miss her and worry about her with all my heart and soul.
please get these shows on tape for her, it may be hard for her to understand since she was treated fair, I don't know why she was there in the first place but she should understand the possibilites of what could happen to her if she married while there, and have children  there, things would turn drastically different then, have her watch the shows and read these posts. I pray that will be enough to keep her feet on American soil. Goddluck to you
 

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November 19, 2007, 8:42 am PST

11/15 A Daughter in Danger? Part 2

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Oh my God, this man doesn't love her at all. I am Palestinian too and I know how the Palestinians in Gaza strip are living they are looking for any chance to leave Gaza. I believe that Kathrien is very good opportunity to help Abdullah to have American passport and to live in USA in the future.

 

There are some Islamic groups in Gaza who try to converts the Christians to Islam and persecute the Christians and hate the Americans for being aggressive to us by giving power to Israel.

 

Last several months a Christian was killed in Gaza strip, his guilt is being Christian serving Christ. I believe that Abdullah is using Katherine and she has to return to her homeland. Love is not everything in the world. Her love to him will not protect her and keep her safe from him. Go to Gaza and you will understand much more. She is in danger indeed. She need somebody to help her.

 

Seeing as Abdullah has NOT applied fro a Visa to the US, shows me he really doesn't want to come. There are men who try to marry American girls for a Visa, yes, no doubt; however, they are usually VERY pushy about them coming to America. He is clearly not wanting to come to the US. In fact, both Abdullah and Katherine seem firm on staying in Palestine.

 

There are groups who try to convert people to Islam - why is there such a fear of that? Christian groups do it all the time. They are called 'missions'. In fact, I have heard of missions that go to Saudi and try to preach the bible in Mecca - the center place for all Muslims. In what was a Muslim country - Palestine, I think they have a right to teach people about the Qur'an. Also put in the equation Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world (that includes the West as well). There is something like 20, 000 conversions that take place in the US each and every year. I am one of those who have converted, although I am from Canada, where the rateof conversions are high as well. Let us not forget as well that there are Palestinian Christians who all live and preach as freely as please.

 

As for the person who was killed for no reported reason, that is truely a crime against humanity. Even the Qur'an talks about how killing one innocent person is like killing all of man kind. The only thing I ask is that while you continue to greive for innocent Christians of the world, which you have every right to do and I do right along side you, please also greive for all of the innocents that are being killed in Iraq, Afghanistan, Africa and around the world as well. Just because we are Muslim, doesn't make us a criminal or a terrorist despite what the media might portray.

 

I have seen the previews of when Katerine returns home, and I am saddened that she may have had an abusive experience with Abdullah. My mother was abused my her white husband, and I still think about it every day. Abuse is absolutely disgusting and unacceptable. If, however, it turns out differently, I wish her and him the best. Abdullah must be serious about her or else he would NEVER, and I mean never, bring this girl into his family's home. Whether the family is actively practising Islam or not, she would not be allowed into the house. Arabic culture in general is not accepting of this. Rightfully so in my humble opinion.

 

I can guess that if him name was 'Johnny Smithson' and he lived in the UK this would be a very different story. My advice to her mother - your daughter has chosen this life for whatever reason. Educate yourself about Islam, educate your self on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict - do what you can for your daughter. Trust me, you wouldn't want to lose your daughter over this. She may say that if you do not support me, I can't be around you (this happens often, in any major conflict). Years lost can be so painful and so full of remorse.

 

I can't wait to see what happens on the next show. I wish Abdullah, Katherine and their families the best.

 
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