Message Boards

Topic : 06/17 A Daughter in Danger? Part 2

Number of Replies: 956
New Messages This Week: 0
Last Reply On:
Created on : Thursday, November 08, 2007, 07:39:52 pm
Author : DrPhilBoard1
(Original Air Date: 11/15/07) Dr. Phil continues the story of a young woman who made international headlines when she ran away to Palestine to be with a man she met on the Internet when she was just 16. Katherine was stopped by the FBI and brought back home, but two years later and now an adult, she’s left the United States again to be with Abdullah, the man she says she loves and wants to marry. Katherine’s terrified family thinks she is being brainwashed, and may never be allowed to return home. They say they’ve witnessed Abdullah’s violent temper when he’s verbally abused her over the phone. Now, in an exclusive interview via satellite, Dr. Phil speaks with Katherine and Abdullah together. Is Abdullah lying about letting Katherine return home? Is this couple already married? Talk about the show here.

Find out what happened on the show.

As of January, 2009, this message board will become "Read Only" and will be closed to further posting. Please join the NEW Dr. Phil Community to continue your discussions, personalize your message board experience, start a blog and meet new friends.


Message Emote
blank
November 20, 2007, 11:55 pm PST

The Race Card???

Quote From: pawsonya

 

Can we agree that the word "muslim" is NOT describing a race but in fact a religious choice?

 

Why do you keep accusing people of racism?

I concur.  WHY is it racist [to disagree]?  I've seen this (racist reference) several times on these boards.  Why couldn't we leave race out of it?  There's enough other "stuff"...  Meanwhile, a girl has made a horrible mistake, one that she'll probably regret for the rest of her life.

 

Here we go again - playing the "race" card...   And as always, it clouds other issues.

 
User Mood
Happy

Message Emote
blank
November 21, 2007, 5:57 am PST

similar experience

Quote From: hpmx59

A Danger Daughter In Part Phil Two. Just like one part in Doctor House Phil. See you on Thursday Novem-

ber 15th, 2007. Sincerley Your. Russell Vlaanderen.-------------------------------------------------------------------------- 

i recently flew my niece from scotland to canada get her away from a kurdish boy who was keeping her against her will.

I have had her in canada for 6 months he has threaten my family he calls my house 100 times a day he has threatened her sisters we are at the end of our string with this idiot who has refugee status in UK

I have writen to police imigration everyone to try and have him deported it is to bad a british subject has to leave home to get a way from a refugee....

he had sex with her when she was 14, he kidnapped her....it goes on and on 

 

Message Emote
blank
November 21, 2007, 6:40 am PST

11/15 A Daughter in Danger? Part 2

Quote From: pawsonya

 

Can we agree that the word "muslim" is NOT describing a race but in fact a religious choice?

 

Why do you keep accusing people of racism?

I keep saying 'racism' because most people are saying 'Arab' men, then throwing in the word Muslim here and there as if it is interchangable.

 

Seeing that I am Muslim and white, I think I know the difference between race and religion....

 

 

Message Emote
blank
November 21, 2007, 6:43 am PST

11/15 A Daughter in Danger? Part 2

Quote From: sensible1

I concur.  WHY is it racist [to disagree?  I've seen this (racist reference) several times on these boards.  Why couldn't we leave race out of it?  There's enough other "stuff"...  Meanwhile, a girl has made a horrible mistake, one that she'll probably regret for the rest of her life.

 

Here we go again - playing the "race" card...   And as always, it clouds other issues.

Have you seen the amount of slander against Arabic Muslim men one here??? No one is 'Playing' the race card, posters have been abundant in their racist and discriminatory comments?

 

Disagree all you want - no one is saying not to, but assuming this girl is being brainwashed, will be killed, will be used as a sex slave among many other comments made on these boards is bad enough, but blaming it is on fact that Abdullah is Arab and/or Muslim makes that comment derogatory - plain and simple.

 

Message Emote
blank
November 21, 2007, 6:46 am PST

11/15 A Daughter in Danger? Part 2

Quote From: sensible1

I know exactly what the dictionary says "context" means.

 

Sounds like "in context" for Islam has it's own meaning.  And, unless a person reads the Quran in Arabic, and without "explanation from the scholars (people who are studied in Islam, jurisprudence, fiqh, Arabic language, history, etc.)", based on the hadith, they are taking it out of context.  Why then is the Quran translated into English or other languages?

 

A person can simply read other religions' books without all this, and in different languages/translations. 

 

BTW, no one has the right to change Christianity and no one can change Christianity.  Also, one can get a very good understanding of the Bible without reading it in the original languages, Hebrew (Torah and rest of Tanakh) or Greek (New Covenant).

 

Perhaps you and others (scholars) should teach what you've said to those who call themselves Moslems and take the violence of the Suras literally or whole countries (Islamic) whose cultural practices either transcend or ignore Quran or take it literally, or perhaps rather than "literally" your wording would be "out of context'.  World terrorism that is associated with Islam would stop--perhaps.

 

Why have not the millions (or the billion) of peaceful, non-violent Moslems put a stop to the highjacking of this religion by  the "few" radicals and extremists?  If a "few" persons of other religions highjacked a religion (let's just say Buddhism, Hinduism, Christianity, etc.) and caused a bad name for it throughout the civilized world by violent acts of terrorism against other nations and through practices that are abhorred in that religion, I believe their religious leaders would speak out to them and against them and seek to repair the damage.  I believe they would publicly distance themselves from the terrorists, particularly after major attacks.  I believe they would go on the airwaves, place adds in newspapers, magazines, etc., develop many web sites, blog on websites, volunteer to speak at schools and places of worship, whatever it takes to dispel the notion that their religion is one of violence.  When we don't speak up, it appears we are in agreement.  At least you are speaking out on these boards about some issues...

The simple fact is that we DO speak out against it. I can;t tell you how many speeches, events and dialogues we have had (in my community alone) and invited the media time after time, but kind muslims don't push up ratings.

 

Muslims who want to show that hijacking planes are unacceptable and completely disgusting don't make news stations or news papers money.

 

Message Emote
blank
November 21, 2007, 6:55 am PST

11/15 A Daughter in Danger? Part 2

Quote From: shelly_80

Well, allow me the AMERICAN WOMEN you say is such a racist, to clue you in on "brainwashing." 

 

The definition of brainwash is:  A FORCIBLE indoctrination to induce someone to give up basic, political, social, or religious beliefs and attitude to accept contrasting regimented ideas.

 

Oh, I'm sorry too many BIG words?  I will translate it into lame-mans terms.  It is when someone manipulates another person into believing what they want them to believe.

Wow, where is this anger coming from?

 

Umm, to be fair hun, I know what Brainwashing means as a term, but why is it being used sooo much in this case? If he was a jew or a sikh or a hindu, would this be brought up? No, it wouldn't. It just goes to show how much people believe in stereotypes. Its sad but when you have Muslims like me available on theboard, but instead of asking real questions people continue just to try and push stereotypes.

 

Thanks viewers, thank you very much.

 

Message Emote
blank
November 21, 2007, 7:20 am PST

11/15 A Daughter in Danger? Part 2

You know, after reading through many of these posts, it has become clear that there is a LOT of misinformation about Islam/ Funny thing is, if we as Muslims ever try to explain anything, we get accused of covering it up. The reason we say things are out of 'context' often, is because the whole Quran is based on 'context'. The time, place and situation regarding every single verse of the Quran has been recorded and kept until this day. So when we read a verse and try to impliment it in our lives, we also have to know how and why this verse says what it says, and how it applies to our life (AKA what is the context). really, we are not trying to 'cover' anything up that is in the Quran.

 

I can also say that if you talk to any real practising Muslim, they will tell you the way the Muslim countries are run is totally un-Islamic. They use laws and rulings out of context to get whatever they want out of them (oppression, power, whatever). In my opinion, there are no REAL Muslim countries at all. I am not alone in my sentiment.

 

My only suggestion to many out there is that is you want to know the truth about what is going on with Muslims here or overseas, you have to go and ask. The media won't tell you. They'll tell you exactly what makes them money, not what is the whole truth.

 

Anyways, my whole point here is that stereotypes and discrimination always end up ruining a society. North America is supposed to be the most tolerant and advanced (technologically and socially) in the world, yet we have people on here saying things like 'Maybe he wants her as his sex slave' and that 'he's brainwashing her'. This isn't the direction we want to go in, is it?

 

I don't think Abdullah is a good guy - first of all, as a respectful Muslim man he shouldn't have been chatting with girls, much less talking to her on the phone, much less being girlfriend and boyfriend. He would also know if he was a good Muslim man that in Islam it says that heaven is under the mother's feet, and he wouldn't want Katherine to upset her mother as much as he has. He would also know that it was dangerous for her to travel by herself to a country she has never been to, and that it is haram (forbidden) to lie. On top of that, if the accusations are true that he has bit her or beaten her with a bat, then he doesn't deserve any woman.

 

This board has gone wayyyy off topic into what Islam is and is not instead of being about Abdullah and Katherine. I joined this board because I read some of the anti-Islamic comments out there and felt I had to correct them, but I now realise that this is way beyond a simple correction, this is bred into the hearts of some people out there. At that I have to step back. It would be like speaking to a wall.

 

I wish the best for all involved in this mess and if anyone has sincere questions, just ask instead of assume.

 

 
User Mood
Happy

Message Emote
blank
November 21, 2007, 8:35 am PST

11/15 A Daughter in Danger? Part 2

Quote From: drphilfan2008

Was it just me or was Adullah unable to get his story straight about getting a visa!

 

If Katherine is so happy with Adullah and being with him, then why did she look so miserable. I didn't even see the poor girl crack a smile. It seems like she knows she got herself in a horrible situation and doesn't know how to get out. That is soo Awsome that Dr. Phil is flying her home! I hope once shes home, she'll  change her mind bout him.

 

Can someone tell me where i get updated information on stories if there hasn't or isn't going to be another updated show.

 

Thank You!

There's going to be an update next week.
 

Message Emote
blank
November 21, 2007, 10:13 am PST

Questions

Quote From: ummsamir

You know, after reading through many of these posts, it has become clear that there is a LOT of misinformation about Islam/ Funny thing is, if we as Muslims ever try to explain anything, we get accused of covering it up. The reason we say things are out of 'context' often, is because the whole Quran is based on 'context'. The time, place and situation regarding every single verse of the Quran has been recorded and kept until this day. So when we read a verse and try to impliment it in our lives, we also have to know how and why this verse says what it says, and how it applies to our life (AKA what is the context). really, we are not trying to 'cover' anything up that is in the Quran.

 

I can also say that if you talk to any real practising Muslim, they will tell you the way the Muslim countries are run is totally un-Islamic. They use laws and rulings out of context to get whatever they want out of them (oppression, power, whatever). In my opinion, there are no REAL Muslim countries at all. I am not alone in my sentiment.

 

My only suggestion to many out there is that is you want to know the truth about what is going on with Muslims here or overseas, you have to go and ask. The media won't tell you. They'll tell you exactly what makes them money, not what is the whole truth.

 

Anyways, my whole point here is that stereotypes and discrimination always end up ruining a society. North America is supposed to be the most tolerant and advanced (technologically and socially) in the world, yet we have people on here saying things like 'Maybe he wants her as his sex slave' and that 'he's brainwashing her'. This isn't the direction we want to go in, is it?

 

I don't think Abdullah is a good guy - first of all, as a respectful Muslim man he shouldn't have been chatting with girls, much less talking to her on the phone, much less being girlfriend and boyfriend. He would also know if he was a good Muslim man that in Islam it says that heaven is under the mother's feet, and he wouldn't want Katherine to upset her mother as much as he has. He would also know that it was dangerous for her to travel by herself to a country she has never been to, and that it is haram (forbidden) to lie. On top of that, if the accusations are true that he has bit her or beaten her with a bat, then he doesn't deserve any woman.

 

This board has gone wayyyy off topic into what Islam is and is not instead of being about Abdullah and Katherine. I joined this board because I read some of the anti-Islamic comments out there and felt I had to correct them, but I now realise that this is way beyond a simple correction, this is bred into the hearts of some people out there. At that I have to step back. It would be like speaking to a wall.

 

I wish the best for all involved in this mess and if anyone has sincere questions, just ask instead of assume.

 

OKay I have asked this I don't know how many times.

 

Can someone explain why honor killing and the muslim religion seem to be connected? And i'm not meaning that all muslims do this, my point is how the middle east muslims are raised. I watched a doc. called 30 days. It took a christian man and put him in a muslim home for 30 days, here in america to see if the christian man could learn something. Very eye opening I thought. But I also realized these muslims didn't grow up in the middle east, they don't support violence in any way. And they don't do honor killings. But what about the middle east muslims, it this so rare and so out there that yes it can happen but its not a normal practice? Please if you can explain this to me, I honesty just don't know.

 

more of a statement. Can you understand why alot of people fear muslims? During this time we just don't want to be harmed, we don't want another 9/11 and that sadly puts fear in us. Its not hate for them, its fear for our people. I see this young man act like this and treat her like this not cause this is how he is told to treat a women but only cause she is america, and there is alot of I don't either hate or fear of us.

 

I would really like to see your view on this, I don't really ever see enough of what muslims really think of this. Thank you.

 
User Mood
Bored

Message Emote
blank
November 21, 2007, 10:27 am PST

Quotes from a recognized authority on Islam and Muslims

 

Daniel Pipes Explains 'Islamism'

 

Though neutral on Islam, I take a strong stand on Islamism, which I see as very different. Islam is the religion of the Qur'an and the Sunna; Islamism is the political path of Hasan al-Banna, Abu'l-A`la al-Mawdudi, and Ayatollah Khomeini. The former is (in the Muslim view) eternal or (in the non-Muslim view) fourteen centuries old; the latter is a twentieth-century phenomenon. The one is a faith, the other an ideology. Whereas the closest parallels to Islam are Judaism and Christianity, those closest to Islamism are other radical utopian "isms," namely fascism and Marxism-Leninism.

Islamism is a global affliction whose victims count peoples of all religions. Non-Muslims are losing their lives to it in such countries as Nigeria, Sudan, Egypt, and the Philippines. Muslims are the main casualties in Algeria, Turkey, Iran, and Afghanistan. Islamism is perhaps the most vibrant and coherent ideological movement in the world today; it threatens us all. Moderate Muslims and non-Muslims must cooperate to battle this scourge.

(a) American Islam has enormous positive potential. Since encountering modernity two centuries ago, Muslims have had a difficult time figuring out how to adapt their religion to it. Kemal Atatürk of Turkey represents one school of thought - exclude Islam from every aspect of public life. The Taliban in Afghanistan represent the opposite extreme - subject every aspect of life to what are believed to be Islamic injunctions. There are plenty of other viewpoints between these two, such as those represented by the Ba`th Party, the Islamic Republic of Iran, and the Libyan Jamahariya. American Muslims, who live at the very heart of modernity, may be able to make the grand reconciliation of Islam with modernity that has eluded their coreligionists elsewhere. If they do succeed at this, they could have a vast and highly beneficial impact on Muslim life around the world.

(b) The Nation of Islam is disappearing. The Nation of Islam is not just the organization headed currently by Louis Farrakhan but a complex body of institutions that since 1913 have gone by many names (Moorish Science Temple of America, Allah's Temple of Islam, Five Percenters, etc.) and featured a number of outsized personalities (Elijah Muhammad, Malcolm X, Muhammad Ali). The historic role of this institution is to create a substantial body of African-American converts to Islam (at present, they number about one million). With the passage of time, the odd, folkloristic, and distinctly non-Islamic qualities of the NoI are fading. I predict that Farrakhan is its last leader with a national presence and that the organization is destined to disappear or to merge with real Islam.

(c) American Islam faces a crisis of extremism. This is the issue that has brought my work to the attention of American Muslims and caused organizations like CAIR to accuse me of being an "Islamophobe" who promotes "anti-Muslim hysteria."

CAIR and the others reacted to my articles that warn Americans (including Muslims) that the main organizations of American Islam are Islamist. I hold that this spells trouble for Muslims and for the general American population. Perhaps the most important area of conflict has to do with secularism: the Islamist agenda is overtly one of applying the Shari`a, even though this is in direct conflict with the Constitution of the United States. Other major problems concern the Islamists' anti-Christian and anti-Jewish sentiments, their support for radical groups abroad, and their readiness to intimidate and to use violence.

Fortunately, Islamists constitute only a minority of Muslims living in the United States. Unfortunately, they dominate the mosques, schools, publications, and national organizations in this country. Worse, whenever a non-Islamist leader speaks up about this undue influence, the Islamists try to delegitimate him or silence him through threats.

The Islamists' approach is deeply antithetical to the American way and so, I predict, that as they and their work became better known, major problems will follow, and these will first of all affect the American Muslim population. My urgent hope is that moderate Muslims get involved in communal affairs and take interest in these matters, and so to redeem the Muslim institutions from the extremists' control.

 

 

 

 
First | Prev | 68 | 69 | 70 | 71 | 72 | 73 | 74 | 75 | 76 | 77 | Next | Last