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(Original Air Date: 11/19/07) Should you stay in a marriage with your husband if you find out a secret that disgusts you? Michelle thought she had the perfect marriage until recently, when she found out her husband of four years, Wade, was a sex addict and compulsive liar. He admits to cheating on her while she was pregnant, but says since then he's been faithful. Michelle made Wade take an online polygraph test that he failed. Why is Michelle convinced Wade is having an affair, and what proof does she say she has? Wade says there's a simple explanation and wants to take another lie detector test to prove his innocence. When Dr. Phil reveals the results of the second polygraph, will Michelle's fears be confirmed or put to rest? Concerned for the well-being of their two sets of twins, will Michelle decide to divorce Wade or hold on to the hope that their marriage can be healed? Join the discussion.

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November 19, 2007, 5:22 pm PST

I've been there

WOW!  I didn't realize there was more than one of those out there!  This guy is TOTALLY a clone of my ex-husband...actually, I don't know anything deeper than a secret, out-of-control sex life and drinking  to excess (he got sloppy...thus, I found out about the stuff that was suppose to be non-existent because he PLEADED and PROMISED that the junk had stopped because he convinced me that I WAS CRAZY).  The whole lying and brainwashing and controlling thing  remind me of him.  It's like he lives a whole seperate life...like since we started the divorce I learned that I really have had NO idea who I was married to...you just can't underestimate the things people are capable of.  I have learned...I just can NEVER trust him again.  Michelle, even if you want to, you just can't fool yourself about your husband...I earned the hard way about mine.  It's like he stays addicted to self-destructive behavior...even though he says he wants to stop and his life to be different.  HE DOESN'T DO THE WORK CONSISTENTLY THAT IT TAKES TO CHANGE.  However, he DOES consistently donate the energy needed to engage in the hurtful stuff, work HARD to cover thigs up, and keep up with what lies he's told who and the follow-up lies needed to keep the first lies intact.  Slowly, I'm starting to see that my quality of life is getting better without the "tazmanian devil" in my life.  But it's a conscious decision to not go back and not to trust him.  I guess brainwashing takes a while to undo.  Good luck, Michelle!
 
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November 19, 2007, 5:37 pm PST

real trooper

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I have a particular interest in the 3 part series starting Monday.  I do want to watch it, but am fearful of the (personal) triggers that may be contained therein.  I have it set to TIVO as I do for all of Dr. Phil's shows, so that I can watch topics that interest me, or a loved one, which is most of the time.  I also TIVO so I can watch at a time that is more convenient for me to watch since I have a little one, and my husband has an aversion to Dr. Phil.

My husband is also a sex addict and compulsive liar.  As I have heard Dr. Phil say in the past, "How do you know he's lying?  Because his lips are moving...."  That is my husband.

We have been married for 6 1/2 years, and for the first 6 years, I was in full denial of the issues that were before me.  I had literally become brainwashed to believe that I was crazy despite the disturbing content within his porn addiction, the inconsistencies of his stories, his villanizing of me to my family, friends, and co-workers, his sexual abuse of me, his objectification and devaluing of me, his total emotional abandonment, anger, rage, denial, and projection of his shame on me.  If I found porn, it was my fault for looking, and I was a crazy f*ing "C."  He truly was incapable of believing anything I had to say at all.  If any fact was said by someone other than myself, it was indeed a fact or consideration.  Anything I had to say was immediately dismissed as my imagination, or I just didn't know what I was talking about, or "that's just stupid..."

If I questioned his obviously inappropriate behavior with clients, other professionals, or co-workers, I was made to believe that there was something wrong with my brain, because I was making these things up in my head.  He was in collusion with my mother as the two of them took comfort in one another blaming my "imagination" for the discontent in their lives.  The anger, rage, and distance that was a daily ritual from him became unbearable for me.  All the while, however, I portrayed an image of the perfect marriage and family to everyone else. 

To the outside, he played the victim so well.  He comes across as such a peaceful, understanding, empathetic man, but that is all an illusion.

His children from a previous marriage stayed with us for a while, (2005 & 2006) as we tried to blend the families. These children were violent, cruel, manipulative, (beyond what the normal difficult dynamics that can exist between step parents and step children) and they were openly abusive to our three year old daughter in my presence.     (They are 7 and 8 years older than she is) When their father was home, the children were angelic.  Anytime I would report their severe abuse, he would deny any issues... Therefore adding to his case that I was crazy, and that his children were fine.  They were just being kids, and I was the one with the problem. 

I had suffered from alcohol issues in the past, and unfortunately, during this time, I allowed myself to fall into that trap once again, late at night after the kids were in bed.  In my mind, I was going crazy, and I needed something to make the pain and madness stop, even if only temporarily.  In my mind, nothing short of suicide could stop the intense emptiness, so that is what I used to make myself stop feeling.  At times, we had loud arguments late at night because of this.

When I finally obtained proof of abuse to my then 3 year old, we removed my step son from school, (he was 10 at the time) turned him in to the police, and when they could not arrest him (because my 3 year old could say "what" happened, but she could not say "when" it happened) we put him on a plane back to his mother, who is out of state.  The other child was already back with the mother.

I was very stressed, teetering toward a breakdown, but tried to hold it together for the sake of my daughter.  The acting out from my husband, (extreme deviant porn, sleeping with my friends, playing the victim, etc.) increased, and I was not allowed to tell anyone about what happened to my daughter.  When I did, there was once again increased anger, rage, shame, and blame placed upon me, which I readily accepted. 

At this point, he was still in full denial of ever acting out sexually, and that the porn was something that "all guys did."   Also, during this time, he was sexually aggressive with me, at times continued thrusting when I cried out in pain, begging him to stop.  He also began waking me up in the middle of the night after I had gone to bed, and after using alcohol or other sedatives, and he would have sex with me, and I would not remember at all.  It became a shame game for me because I never remembered, and he would be so offended that I couldn't remember "such an awesome experience," so I began pretending that I did remember.

He is a gun enthusiast, and several of his favorite places on his computer back then were regarding how to hire a hit man, and how to get away with murder, how to clean crime scenes, etc.  That was scary to me, and when confronted, he responded with his usual..."you're just stupid."

The downward spiral continued until June of this year, when I turned to the Internet to find out what my problem was.   I started searching to find out what was wrong with me, because I felt to shameful and inferior because of his porn use. 

This is when my eyes were opened.

Dr. Phil's site, among others, helped me to realize that I was the co-dependent, or the co-sex addict.  That these behaviors were NOT normal, and that not only was I being abused, but coming to grips with the fact that I was allowing it to happen.  I had been in therapy for years, but once I got everything on the table, it was suggested that I attend an outpatient intensive therapy program.  I was gone from home for 14 hours a day, Monday through Friday, for 2 weeks, in an amazingIN YOUR FACE intensive program. 

My goal was to re-discover my sense of self, for me, but also so that I could model positive behavior for my daughter that I had never learned.  Up to that point, all I had taught her was how to pretend things were OK when they truly were not, how to smile, and hide real feelings.  This is what I learned, and I knew that I had to stop the cycle.  I wanted to learn how to safely and effectively express real feelings without fear of anger, denial, or retribution. 

In the two weeks I was in the intensive, I dealt with previously unknown childhood trauma issues, etc., as well as my accountability in all of this, which was very hard to face.  I learned that I do have a voice, and a reason to be alive.  I had gone from a size 14 to a size 4, (at 5'9") and nearly destroyed my face from picking from all the stress.  I learned that I have body dismorphic issues that I still struggle with.  During this time, there was no disclosure from my husband.  In his words, he was merely holding down the fort while the crazy wife got her therapy. 

AFTER my intensive treatment was complete, my husband regurgitated all of his affairs, lies, deceptions, becauase I had become stronger and he was afraid of losing me.  Now, he is so sorry, so regretful, and so ashamed of how he lied, cheated, and punished me for his wrongs.  I am the only woman he has ever loved, blah, blah... Those are nice words.  He went to the same place I did for a few appointments, but finances haven't permitted further treatment for him. 

He claims to be a changed man, and reformed, but just cannot seem to stop staring at other women, and internet attractions, etc.  Like the husband on the show, "isn't it convenient" that all his infidelities were in the past?  Does that somehow make them OK?  Why is it that it seems they cannot admit to the more recent activities...are they less forgivable? I know for a fact that I don't know the whole story, and his high horse of morality will not allow him to face his real self, therefore allowing the rest of the disclosure.

I have been sober from Alcohol for 10 weeks and counting.  We live in the same house, but in separate bedrooms.  There is no conflict, no sex, just more like roomates.  Our 5 year old shares the bedroom with me, and is excelling in her school.  She is currently in therapy also, and doing quite well.

My fear of watching the show is that it will reinforce the reality that I have to leave him, but our home is in foreclosure, there is no money, no support, no contingency plan, no nothing.  I had wanted to return to work when my baby was a year old, but was unable to because I wasn't "allowed" to.  He works in my family's business, and he didn't want me nosing in his affairs.  I realize that I am not a victim, and I HAVE NO ONE TO BLAME BUT MYSELF, but this reminder might be too much.
  I am currently seeking employment again, we are moving into a rental together for financial reasons at this point, but he acts as if we "just need to move forward."  I agree with that, but I cannot do that until I have a better understanding of why his switch went off. I've been living in the fog of wondering when it will all happen again.  Then, if it does, how many years will be wasted then?  It is nearly 7 years now.... it might be 10 or more.

My journey is in my blog, though I've not posted in a month or so. 

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog&friendID=200544800

Thanks for letting me get this out....and if you've made it this far, you're a real trooper!


Oh my God in heaven!~~ I think I would pack up my child and go to a womens shelter before I spent another night with a guy that would blow off accusations of his own little girl, getting abused. What a jerk, low life,trashy person he is. That's something a real man/father would not do under any circumstances. I hope by now you've found another way to get through life that does NOT include him...Also your mother sucks. If this story is true, you need to kick her ass right out of your life also.
 
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November 19, 2007, 5:40 pm PST

Michelle

Like most women watching today's show, I cannot imagine why you would even consider trying to work things out with Wade. He is an extremely immature, selfish, angry, disturbed person and will not change easily...even with the best therapy program. Why would you put your own life on hold; as well as that of your children's, to give him a "second' chance. He has proven to you that he will lie and lie and lie. He is extremely manipulative and will surely do his best to guilt trip you into a second chance...Have the pride, self-esteem, and strength to cut him loose!!! You and your children deserve so much better!!!

Please listen to Dr. Phil: None of Wade's behavior is YOUR fault. It is all his. It is now up to you do decide what YOU want for yourself and your children...:Put your fear aside and go for what you truly deserve in this life!!!

 
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November 19, 2007, 5:41 pm PST

Allowed it to happen?

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Hello--

 

Thanks so much for posting this.  I have a gut feeling that this Post is going to help alot of people!  I have never posted here before, but I really felt compelled to now.

 

I predict that this will help others--- 1. feel less alone,  2. feel less crazy,  3. feel empowered,  4. feel like being honest with Themselves.  I know your post has done this for me!!

 

Hang in there Hon.  You are pretty hard on yourself.  I see U taking many steps already--in the Positive direction.

 

God Bless U---

 

ChatterRachelle

It really upsets me when women are forced to take "some" of the blame for what their husbands and boyfriends do. Does anyone see that all the Dr.Phils, Phil Donahues and Oprahs pound into your head that your must accept your part of the problem.  This is why it takes so long to get out of a bad relationship.  We have to spend so much mental energy trying to understand where we went wrong. "IT IS STUPID!"
 
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November 19, 2007, 6:14 pm PST

Well, since I don't live in Perfect-Land...

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It really upsets me when women are forced to take "some" of the blame for what their husbands and boyfriends do. Does anyone see that all the Dr.Phils, Phil Donahues and Oprahs pound into your head that your must accept your part of the problem.  This is why it takes so long to get out of a bad relationship.  We have to spend so much mental energy trying to understand where we went wrong. "IT IS STUPID!"
     No one can blame themselves for the actions of others.  This is very, very true.  However, it takes more than one to fail at a union.  Two separate parties/entities...
Perhaps if the faithful party was deceived, and hurt by the acting out of the unfaithful party, the union fails. 
It might not be the fault of the faithful party, but the union clearly failed.  Perhaps it was a poor choice to marry in the first place....who knows.

All I can say from experience I can only control myself.  Am I responsible for the crap my H did?  Hell no.  Was I perfect?  NO.  Did I deserve it?  NO.... 

I believe it is rare that there is the PERFECT human anywhere, just hanging around, working or existing, and they're just perfection personified, and they have no accountability or responsibility nor do they have  enough sense to make good choices.....because they are too busy being perfect.  They have no role whatsoever...... 

I need to find someone like that to give me lessons, because I have yet to meet anyone that even comes close.


 
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November 19, 2007, 6:19 pm PST

Another good girl jaded.

Dear Michelle:

 

I am a woman who has been married to a man just like your husband for 15 years.  If I knew then what I know now, I would have divorced him when I first started to feel something was not right.

 

From one woman to another in the same boat, I want to be sure that you understand one thing.  None of his drama has anything to do with you.  He will always blame you for everything he does.  If you continue with this relationship, he will continue to twist things in his mind to justify his behavior because he cannot get his own mind around what he is doing.  He will punish you for the perceived harm you do to him.

 

Don’t end up like me!  I suffer from stress related illnesses and have to be medicated for sever panic attacks.  My children think it is okay to lie and they have to live in an atmosphere of constant negativity, arguing and bickering.  My daughter is 10 and still sucks her thumb.  She secludes herself in her room to avoid her feelings of fear and intimidation.  My husband is mean and nasty to everyone because he can’t stand himself.  The holidays are the worst.  The worst I feel the more glee he feels.  Then he will turn around and say that I should be happy so the kids will have a nice holiday.  Moreover, when I can’t just bounce back it gives him a reason indulge in his perversions.  "She deserves it because she is such a bitch!"

 

Over time, you will become desensitized and find yourself tolerating his behavior.  He will convince you that it could be worse.  You could be married to someone who beats you or worse.  Don’t believe him.  This is bad marriage and it will get worse.  Don’t expect the legal system to help.  If you divorce him, good luck getting him to pay a livable amount of child support.  You have two choices if you are a stay at home mom.  One is to stay and the other is welfare and a studio apartment on the tough side of town.  Hmm, a choice?

 

It is difficult to find anyone to talk to that understands.  I have been unable to find anyone to talk to that is non-judgmental.  My own mother feels that I am in this situation because somehow I feel like I don’t deserve to be happy.  That is just plain ridiculous.  People have some of the most ridiculous reasoning I have ever heard regarding this type of addiction. And everyone is quick to blame the woman.

 

My part in all of this is that I was sweet and innocent.  I had no idea that such ugliness existed in this world.  I thought perverts wore trench coats and hid in dark alleys.  If that makes me bad, then god help all the good girls out there.  Good girls are prey to this type of man because we never see them coming.

 

Good luck, you will need it. 

 

Oh, and you women who are on the phone or doing whatever with these men, do not worry, what goes around comes around!  You are racking up the bad karma and God help you.  And, those of you that think it is a complement to be asked to pose nude in Playboy, I feel sorry for you.  You have just lowered yourself to an object for some mans masturbation session.  You just keep telling yourself otherwise.

 

Finally, those of you who think that porn, prostitution and infidelity are victimless crimes, guess again.

 
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November 19, 2007, 6:26 pm PST

Lived through this a couple weeks ago!

My husband also has been lying to me for months and months about his addictions with pornography and alcoholism.  Alcohol elevated his need to look at it and I told him over and over to stop before it gets out of control.  Eventually, it lead to cheating on me.  I felt like my life was shattering into millions of pieces...  the moment he told me the truth for once in our marriage I felt like dying.  It was the most painful thing to hear from the person you loved the most.  The couple days after my husband's confession, I really wanted the best for our family and most of all, the best for our children.  I told him everything I felt, and that if he really wants his family and loves them more than anything, he would have to seek help for his addictions, and rebuild his faith and he once had.  It's really hard still right now to get past it, and I don't know how to get past what happened to me... anyone can help me with this?...
 
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November 19, 2007, 6:45 pm PST

I couldn't agree more.

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Oh my God in heaven! I think I would pack up my child and go to a womens shelter before I spent another night with a guy that would blow off accusations of his own little girl, getting abused. What a jerk, low life,trashy person he is. That's something a real man/father would not do under any circumstances. I hope by now you've found another way to get through life that does NOT include him...Also your mother sucks. If this story is true, you need to kick her ass right out of your life also.
Thank you so much for your concern.
I am doing all I can to improve the situation for my daughter and I.
 I have checked in to all my local resources, and have researched the laws that govern where I live, as have my therapists.  The shelters are on waiting lists.  They are located far from here, and I am unfamiliar with the child care resources that would be available to her after she attended primarily non-english speaking schools, while I am working.  I am afraid to remove her from all she knows that IS true and IS real. (Primarily me)

 In addition, if I place myself in a shelter, his rights would trump mine if he is in regular standard housing, so then he gets her anyway....I would get visitation.  I am thinking that that is NOT in the best interest of my child.

I am absolutely beside myself regarding my H's reaction to my accusations of what happened to our little girl....but the accused was his son.  How would anyone feel if your child was accused of harming another of your children?  Believe me, I am not, not, NOT taking his side.  I took my child's side, and immediately stopped the abuse the moment I learned about it by removing the child from my home.

I love my mother more than anything--she's my mom.  She is unable to see her mistakes, and like my H, re-writes history as she speaks.  She "doesn't remember any collusion" between she and my H..."except for the time I was overreacting to....."  She'll never admit it, how she pits people one to another, and how she is jealous that my H wanted to start putting his family before his job, and now she is betrayed...blah, blah.  I will always love her with all my heart, but at a safer distance. 

I am grateful for the kindness and support I have found here. 
 

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November 19, 2007, 6:54 pm PST

I don't get it?

 Wade cheated on his first wife over a dozen times.  So why did Michelle think she was so special that he wouldn't do it to her also?  Once a cheat, always a cheat, just sneaker! 
But I am proud of Michelle for finally standing her ground.  Go girl!
 
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November 19, 2007, 7:13 pm PST

PEOPLE DO CARE ABOUT OTHER THEY DO NOT KNOW

DEAR MICHELLE,

 

  I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I'M PRAYING FOR YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN. I CAN'T

 IMAGINE WHAT YOU MUST BE GOING THROUGH. BUT IF THERE IS ONE THING I HAVE LEARN IN LIFE IS THAT :

 

         GOD ONLY GIVES US WHAT WE CAN HANDLE.

 

SOMETIMES WE DON'T BELIEVE THIS STATEMENT AT THE TIME, BUT WHEN OUR LIVES GET BACK ON

 TRACK WE THEN REALIZE THAT IT'S TRUE. NO MATTER HOW BIG THE PROBLEM WAS WE MAKE IT

 THROUGH IT. FROM ONE MOTHER TO ANOTHER JUST REMEMBER THE GREATEST GIFT GOD HAS

 GIVEN US IS OUR CHILDREN. CHILDREN IS WHAT MAKES US KEEP GOING AND TO STAND UP AND FIGHT TO HAVE THE LIFE WE HAVE ALWAYS LONGED FOR.

 

SO KEEP YOUR HEAD UP HIGH AND NEVER FORGET THE PERSON YOU ARE. 

 

MY THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS ARE WITH YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN. GOD BLESS

 
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