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Created on : Friday, November 16, 2007, 03:39:06 pm
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(Original Air Date: 11/19/07) Should you stay in a marriage with your husband if you find out a secret that disgusts you? Michelle thought she had the perfect marriage until recently, when she found out her husband of four years, Wade, was a sex addict and compulsive liar. He admits to cheating on her while she was pregnant, but says since then he's been faithful. Michelle made Wade take an online polygraph test that he failed. Why is Michelle convinced Wade is having an affair, and what proof does she say she has? Wade says there's a simple explanation and wants to take another lie detector test to prove his innocence. When Dr. Phil reveals the results of the second polygraph, will Michelle's fears be confirmed or put to rest? Concerned for the well-being of their two sets of twins, will Michelle decide to divorce Wade or hold on to the hope that their marriage can be healed? Join the discussion.

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November 19, 2007, 11:25 pm PST

Aspect.

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Yes,Yes this man is a liar and I agree she should just get away from him and start over.But Dr.Phil, what you may not see is that this man is not just a liar and sex addict and cheater. He has no character and gets a "thrill" when he gets away with something.It makes him feel superior.How do I know? You are so right ...I married and divorced (after 28 yrs) one just like him.Only difference is mine raped our daughter and  threatened her with her life and mine for  25 years. You can rehabilitate a monster with no character,no ethics, no morals. Should I have seen the warning signs? Probably but I didn't ...he fooled me and I wish I had put him out of his misery instead of throwing him out and divorcing him. Now he is fooling someone else who is buying his bullshit. 
Bless your heart!  And I agree with everything you wrote!  So sorry.
 
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November 19, 2007, 11:25 pm PST

Why can't the just tell the truth!

I can relate to Michelle. Why can't he just tell the truth?? I'm having some honesty issues with my husband as of late and I am just so sick and tired of all the lies. Even when they're confronted - like on the show when Dr. Phil read the polygraph results Wade still lied about having cheated on Michelle. Instead of just manning up and admitting to his faults he lied again. That is what my husband does. At what point do you say ok he's stopped lying now when can I start trusting again? Can I trust him again? How do you know he has stopped lying? Are you supposed to follow after him every minute to make sure and verify he is being honest? When is enough enough; and at what point do you just say ok I'm done?

 

Michelle, I'm so sorry you have to experience this. I completely agree with what you said "If you would have just been honest with me I could have worked through this. . ." I pray things work out the best for you and your kids. As for Wade, he needs to grow up, be a man and start telling the truth!

 
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November 19, 2007, 11:30 pm PST

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I will bet money, marbles and chalk this dude is a multi-personality guy!!!  What do you all think????

I bet you are so right! He must be~~Good Lord he's freaky.
 
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November 19, 2007, 11:57 pm PST

struggle

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Hi Honest Man, 

First, I am a woman and I too struggle with this issue. I am in recovery, and have a story myself.  We are not along there are many men and women who share this struggle.

What struggle are you two speaking of? The sex addiction ,or his horrible, behaver to his family?

One can have an addiction without acting out ,like he's some sort of lower species on this planet.

Wade's a freak of nature, and if you have a brain you know it as well as I do.

 

 
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November 20, 2007, 12:10 am PST

Psych Jail

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I will bet money, marbles and chalk this dude is a multi-personality guy!!!  What do you all think????

I think he is going to jail, hopefully.

 

Gary

 

 
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November 20, 2007, 12:47 am PST

I divorced my chronic liar

The statement of 'I just get this feeling there's more that I don't know' needs to be listened to. While I am sad for this woman, at the same time, I am extremely happy for her that the extreme of her husbands lies have been revealed to the world, and not just to her privately. The probability that if she had tried to tell anyone , and I'm sure she probably has, she most likely wouldn't have been believed. I missed what it is Wade does for a living, but in my own situation my husband is/was ( was my husband/is still this way) very believable, loving, convincing, and absolutely a chronic liar.

At 13 yrs of marriage he was arrested with a prostitute. Thus began my reality shift, as we had lived a very openly public life of 'faith'. I stayed with him for three more years trying to 'save' the marriage, and getting help for myself of recovery of what I didn't even know I needed help with. I got enough healing and emotional health going that a year and 1/2 into the vast amounts of 12 step groups.....he in his, I in mine......I noticed the jeckle/hyde personality coming back........and sure enough, although he had convinced enough people that he was through his steps and healthy enough to be LEADING a men's group for sexual addiction, he was actually involved with someone online which then he went to fulfill the 'catch', or what I feel is just another form of hunting and then going in for the 'kill'. I stayed with him for one more 'chance' with the agreement of couple counseling, so I could actually hear what he was telling his 'accountability' to know if it was the same as what I was experiencing.

Another year and 1/2 later, he had this counselor wanting to be his friend, convinced him that I was the problem, all the while going off in full blown addiction.

I finally left when he slapped our 13 yr old son across the face on our daughters birthday ( Happy Birthday for her) I asked him to go for extensive anger management, to which I was told  he wasn't willing, and that he saw that as nothing but me trying to control him. I knew if I stayed that night, or any longer, that I was signing up for more of the same behaviour but that he would feel there was nothing I could , or would do, to stop him. He was right. I couldn't stop him. But I didn't have to sign my kids and I up for more of the same.

Let me give anyone some hope right here. I was a stay at home, homeschooling mom of 15 yrs. of three children.  I had no idea how I would manage financially. There were enormous 'unknowns'. Why I would continue to stay in a horrible known, rather than go for the unknown, I don't know. However, living in that kind of situation with a husband with a completely double life for so many years that finally started spilling over into his 'other ' life, you don't know that you are being so brain washed. Even knowing,, feeling something was horribly wrong, but not being able to put your finger on what it was. Confronting, and only getting lies......etc. I even stayed separated for 10 months before filing for divorce. I let go and actually was still open to reconciling until he left me with $250 in an account and declared how he would pay the bills........yeah, right. Up until this point he was making almost $150, 000 a yr. with a great deal of that being lump sum money. The kids and I lived on his 'job' money, and he was doing , who knows what , with money, lots of it, coming in from  a new business.

I don't know if I've described what life was like well enough here. But, the similarities between my ex...Bob...and this Wade.......are identical. Delusional enough to go on national tv and take a polygraph test he knew he would fail........although, really he just thought he could beat it. Because of course, he's more intelligent than some machine in his mind........and he's been duping people for so long, of course he could dupe a machine, right?

Looking at tomorrow and Wednesdays previews are disturbing to me. I have been concerned that my hunting enthusiast ex, who's ultimate ego boost has been to kill beautiful animals and then mount them on a wall to look at, could snap someday and actually kill human life. I have one admission to the fact that he 'raped' a prostitute. Well, if he admits to some, you know there's more. It showed me right there that his issues were not with sex.......but with anger and a total disdain for women. The disdain for women came out in counseling twice through cycles of what I called from denial to awareness and admission. Truth is , I don't believe that he really remembers all that he's done. I started seeing days of 'black outs' and then him 'coming to'..When sharing this with the last counselor, who was also a pastor at our church, I don't think he believed me.........I was desperate for someone to hear me, and hoping he would get the help he needed. As it ended up, he fought the divorce, pride and all, and then I saw the unbelievable, yet again.........he actually was able to turn things around and become the victim! Poor man who's wife left him and how he 'gave' me everything in the divorce..........what? I , the unemployed mother of three 'got' the 4 times refinanced home with all the marital debt, $35,000 attorney bill, etc. Went from the 150,000 a yr to just under $40,000 of alimony and child support.........get the picture. However, what blows me away, is that he has now for the past yr. been claiming broke to his kids, does nothing over what is legally 'required' of him..........and not even that..........but what get's me, is that he is able to do so and make himself the victim and make a case as if he is the 'responsible' one!

So, what I started with , I will repeat.........I am saddened with what Michelle is hearing and learning about her husband,...........but I am THRILLED that she has Dr. Phil to back her and that she has someone who believes her.........and that this man cracked  so openly. Because, at this point, my kids still have to go with their dad..........and the only thing I have going for safety is that they are not with him very much. So the odds are less that mine will 'snap' and do something stupid to them. There is nothing I can prove on him.........and to the contrary, he found a sweet Christian woman online ( the fav. pasttime) and got her so convinced that he was Mr. Wonderful.........which isn't hard for him to do.........and she married him within 6 months..........I have watched his 'case building' and I have to admit, the man is brilliant! He may be sick, but he is freakin' brilliant. Made himself out to be broke.........put her to work.........quit his job.......dropped everything he can drop as far as responsibility to my kids.........I can't go back to court everytime just to 'make ' him do something..........and I wish I could not need the alimony and cs and let him go completely.....

Here's another weird thing.........talk about trying to make you go crazy.........he was hardly ever around during marriage........or the separation.........but the day I filed for divorce, the man has been in my face and judging every single thing done with the kids........calls here almost eerily every single day to speak to the kids........to someone who didn't know him, this is seen as a good thing......

So, here I am now, gone from neglect etc.........to 'in your face' accusations etc..........I think he is just trying to undo my character because his pride is so hurt cause I 'took his house........it's my fault he is in financial straights.........which is a lie.........but he would live that way just to make it appear so......We've been divorced now 2 yrs......gone since 04, coming upon 4 yrs.........and we email more, and he is more in my life now than he ever was in 18 yrs of marriage.........What is that??

I feel very alone with what I 'know', just like Michelle........knew, felt, Wade had cheated on her.........I also know there has to be so much more that I don't know..........but she needs to know her blessing in the fact that Dr. Phil has helped her out of this and she will know she is not crazy . So, God bless you , Dr. Phil, for helping this woman and her kids get to the TRUTH.........the real truth......not just the one that Wade has convinced himself of......and everyone else of. How long did it take you being with Wade for him to 'crack' though? Mine would change personalities every year and one half..........I'm sure you didn't spend that much time........maybe, Wade was just farther along. I am still concerned for my kids, and where I thought by leaving him he would find someone else to abuse........I still seem to be the main target of his anger and hatred.

Blessings on you and for Michelle.............and whereas I feel it is ultimately sad for Wade that he has lived such a deviant lifestyle,and wasted his life... one must think of the REAL victims here, his victims..........thank God his kids will be spared his ongoing anger and violence and living in  daily fear.

 

 
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November 20, 2007, 2:19 am PST

Get out!

I felt so bad for that woman on the show...she deserves so much more than a husband who lies and cheats. She's got to realize that if she doesn't change this situation...it never will change..meaning she should start making plans for her and her childrens lives...without the s.o.b. He won't change...he's proven that and even admitted to cheating on his last wife!! The only thing he feels bad about is getting caught...period!!!
 
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November 20, 2007, 3:31 am PST

Couldn't agree more

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I had a chill go up and down my spine when watching this episode.  After being in a so similar marriage for many years with many of the same issues I can only strongly suggest that this woman have the courage to leave the marriage.  She may believe that she isn't strong enough to survive alone but do not be fooled, what she is dealing with now everyday has made her Wonderwoman and no matter what he has claimed he will do to her if she ever leaves, and I know he has made threats, she has the wherewithall to handle it. Get a good lawyer a great shrink and give yourself a break, it was that you are a caring, loving person that this guy picked you. I hope as well that he didn't have you break off contact with your friends and family, you will need them now.

I do have issues with Dr. Phil suggesting "help". Shrinks only make these guys better at head games. I really enjoyed how this guy tried the old victim "poor me" ploy. My ex used to do the exact same thing. Sociopaths never change and I will bet a buffalo head nickle that he has been given more than one "second chance".

I too was disgusted that he should be given "help".  He is beyond help of any kind. He is pure evil
 
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November 20, 2007, 3:38 am PST

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I have a particular interest in the 3 part series starting Monday.  I do want to watch it, but am fearful of the (personal) triggers that may be contained therein.  I have it set to TIVO as I do for all of Dr. Phil's shows, so that I can watch topics that interest me, or a loved one, which is most of the time.  I also TIVO so I can watch at a time that is more convenient for me to watch since I have a little one, and my husband has an aversion to Dr. Phil.

My husband is also a sex addict and compulsive liar.  As I have heard Dr. Phil say in the past, "How do you know he's lying?  Because his lips are moving...."  That is my husband.

We have been married for 6 1/2 years, and for the first 6 years, I was in full denial of the issues that were before me.  I had literally become brainwashed to believe that I was crazy despite the disturbing content within his porn addiction, the inconsistencies of his stories, his villanizing of me to my family, friends, and co-workers, his sexual abuse of me, his objectification and devaluing of me, his total emotional abandonment, anger, rage, denial, and projection of his shame on me.  If I found porn, it was my fault for looking, and I was a crazy f*ing "C."  He truly was incapable of believing anything I had to say at all.  If any fact was said by someone other than myself, it was indeed a fact or consideration.  Anything I had to say was immediately dismissed as my imagination, or I just didn't know what I was talking about, or "that's just stupid..."

If I questioned his obviously inappropriate behavior with clients, other professionals, or co-workers, I was made to believe that there was something wrong with my brain, because I was making these things up in my head.  He was in collusion with my mother as the two of them took comfort in one another blaming my "imagination" for the discontent in their lives.  The anger, rage, and distance that was a daily ritual from him became unbearable for me.  All the while, however, I portrayed an image of the perfect marriage and family to everyone else. 

To the outside, he played the victim so well.  He comes across as such a peaceful, understanding, empathetic man, but that is all an illusion.

His children from a previous marriage stayed with us for a while, (2005 & 2006) as we tried to blend the families. These children were violent, cruel, manipulative, (beyond what the normal difficult dynamics that can exist between step parents and step children) and they were openly abusive to our three year old daughter in my presence.     (They are 7 and 8 years older than she is) When their father was home, the children were angelic.  Anytime I would report their severe abuse, he would deny any issues... Therefore adding to his case that I was crazy, and that his children were fine.  They were just being kids, and I was the one with the problem. 

I had suffered from alcohol issues in the past, and unfortunately, during this time, I allowed myself to fall into that trap once again, late at night after the kids were in bed.  In my mind, I was going crazy, and I needed something to make the pain and madness stop, even if only temporarily.  In my mind, nothing short of suicide could stop the intense emptiness, so that is what I used to make myself stop feeling.  At times, we had loud arguments late at night because of this.

When I finally obtained proof of abuse to my then 3 year old, we removed my step son from school, (he was 10 at the time) turned him in to the police, and when they could not arrest him (because my 3 year old could say "what" happened, but she could not say "when" it happened) we put him on a plane back to his mother, who is out of state.  The other child was already back with the mother.

I was very stressed, teetering toward a breakdown, but tried to hold it together for the sake of my daughter.  The acting out from my husband, (extreme deviant porn, sleeping with my friends, playing the victim, etc.) increased, and I was not allowed to tell anyone about what happened to my daughter.  When I did, there was once again increased anger, rage, shame, and blame placed upon me, which I readily accepted. 

At this point, he was still in full denial of ever acting out sexually, and that the porn was something that "all guys did."   Also, during this time, he was sexually aggressive with me, at times continued thrusting when I cried out in pain, begging him to stop.  He also began waking me up in the middle of the night after I had gone to bed, and after using alcohol or other sedatives, and he would have sex with me, and I would not remember at all.  It became a shame game for me because I never remembered, and he would be so offended that I couldn't remember "such an awesome experience," so I began pretending that I did remember.

He is a gun enthusiast, and several of his favorite places on his computer back then were regarding how to hire a hit man, and how to get away with murder, how to clean crime scenes, etc.  That was scary to me, and when confronted, he responded with his usual..."you're just stupid."

The downward spiral continued until June of this year, when I turned to the Internet to find out what my problem was.   I started searching to find out what was wrong with me, because I felt to shameful and inferior because of his porn use. 

This is when my eyes were opened.

Dr. Phil's site, among others, helped me to realize that I was the co-dependent, or the co-sex addict.  That these behaviors were NOT normal, and that not only was I being abused, but coming to grips with the fact that I was allowing it to happen.  I had been in therapy for years, but once I got everything on the table, it was suggested that I attend an outpatient intensive therapy program.  I was gone from home for 14 hours a day, Monday through Friday, for 2 weeks, in an amazingIN YOUR FACE intensive program. 

My goal was to re-discover my sense of self, for me, but also so that I could model positive behavior for my daughter that I had never learned.  Up to that point, all I had taught her was how to pretend things were OK when they truly were not, how to smile, and hide real feelings.  This is what I learned, and I knew that I had to stop the cycle.  I wanted to learn how to safely and effectively express real feelings without fear of anger, denial, or retribution. 

In the two weeks I was in the intensive, I dealt with previously unknown childhood trauma issues, etc., as well as my accountability in all of this, which was very hard to face.  I learned that I do have a voice, and a reason to be alive.  I had gone from a size 14 to a size 4, (at 5'9") and nearly destroyed my face from picking from all the stress.  I learned that I have body dismorphic issues that I still struggle with.  During this time, there was no disclosure from my husband.  In his words, he was merely holding down the fort while the crazy wife got her therapy. 

AFTER my intensive treatment was complete, my husband regurgitated all of his affairs, lies, deceptions, becauase I had become stronger and he was afraid of losing me.  Now, he is so sorry, so regretful, and so ashamed of how he lied, cheated, and punished me for his wrongs.  I am the only woman he has ever loved, blah, blah... Those are nice words.  He went to the same place I did for a few appointments, but finances haven't permitted further treatment for him. 

He claims to be a changed man, and reformed, but just cannot seem to stop staring at other women, and internet attractions, etc.  Like the husband on the show, "isn't it convenient" that all his infidelities were in the past?  Does that somehow make them OK?  Why is it that it seems they cannot admit to the more recent activities...are they less forgivable? I know for a fact that I don't know the whole story, and his high horse of morality will not allow him to face his real self, therefore allowing the rest of the disclosure.

I have been sober from Alcohol for 10 weeks and counting.  We live in the same house, but in separate bedrooms.  There is no conflict, no sex, just more like roomates.  Our 5 year old shares the bedroom with me, and is excelling in her school.  She is currently in therapy also, and doing quite well.

My fear of watching the show is that it will reinforce the reality that I have to leave him, but our home is in foreclosure, there is no money, no support, no contingency plan, no nothing.  I had wanted to return to work when my baby was a year old, but was unable to because I wasn't "allowed" to.  He works in my family's business, and he didn't want me nosing in his affairs.  I realize that I am not a victim, and I HAVE NO ONE TO BLAME BUT MYSELF, but this reminder might be too much.
  I am currently seeking employment again, we are moving into a rental together for financial reasons at this point, but he acts as if we "just need to move forward."  I agree with that, but I cannot do that until I have a better understanding of why his switch went off. I've been living in the fog of wondering when it will all happen again.  Then, if it does, how many years will be wasted then?  It is nearly 7 years now.... it might be 10 or more.

My journey is in my blog, though I've not posted in a month or so. 

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog&friendID=200544800

Thanks for letting me get this out....and if you've made it this far, you're a real trooper!


 

Go to the website lovefraud.com and read everything you see there.  You have been married to a sociopath who has no ability to love and whose sole interests are power and sex.

 

This situation is, unfortunately, amazingly common and appears to be getting worse in this country.

 

That is the situation for Michelle and her husband.

 

This man is only with you now because he needs the job and he is a master manipulator.

His only interest in life is getting HIS NEEDS MET.

 

Leave and go to a woman's shelter.  You cannot afford NOT TO. 

 
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November 20, 2007, 3:51 am PST

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I had a chill go up and down my spine when watching this episode.  After being in a so similar marriage for many years with many of the same issues I can only strongly suggest that this woman have the courage to leave the marriage.  She may believe that she isn't strong enough to survive alone but do not be fooled, what she is dealing with now everyday has made her Wonderwoman and no matter what he has claimed he will do to her if she ever leaves, and I know he has made threats, she has the wherewithall to handle it. Get a good lawyer a great shrink and give yourself a break, it was that you are a caring, loving person that this guy picked you. I hope as well that he didn't have you break off contact with your friends and family, you will need them now.

I do have issues with Dr. Phil suggesting "help". Shrinks only make these guys better at head games. I really enjoyed how this guy tried the old victim "poor me" ploy. My ex used to do the exact same thing. Sociopaths never change and I will bet a buffalo head nickle that he has been given more than one "second chance".

 

I guess that a person has had to have this experience in life to be able to say that, true, these individuals cannot be cured because they don't believe they have any problems.  They exist for themselves.

 

I had the horror of being drawn in by the charasmatic charm of "the chase" and the bewildering and confusing trail of the lies and manupulation, headgames, and false promises and remorse that came after I was "caught" but emotionally entangled with this weird fakery that you want to believe because these people can be amazingly convincing because they have trained themselves at imitating emotion and guilt and know how to "press your emotional buttons" while feeling nothing about you except need for you to conform.  When in a corner, these people tell you ONLY what they know you want to hear because by doing so, they can continue depending on your compliance towards them WHILE THEY STILL NEED YOU for whatever reasons - financial, housing, cover, social appearances, etc.

 

I was stable, moral, and hardworking so this individual liked having his "base" so that he could lie about his contributions while indulging his whims behind my back.

 

THANK GOD - I was raised with a great mom/dad and self-esteem because I NEVER married this person and got out because I felt I was losing my mind and the relationship was affecting my work and personal health.  I did a lot of reading, had a GREAT therapist and now I watch DR. PHIL who seems to have no end to these types of people on the show in one way or another.....

 

Sad.

 

 

 
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