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(Original Air Date: 11/19/07) Should you stay in a marriage with your husband if you find out a secret that disgusts you? Michelle thought she had the perfect marriage until recently, when she found out her husband of four years, Wade, was a sex addict and compulsive liar. He admits to cheating on her while she was pregnant, but says since then he's been faithful. Michelle made Wade take an online polygraph test that he failed. Why is Michelle convinced Wade is having an affair, and what proof does she say she has? Wade says there's a simple explanation and wants to take another lie detector test to prove his innocence. When Dr. Phil reveals the results of the second polygraph, will Michelle's fears be confirmed or put to rest? Concerned for the well-being of their two sets of twins, will Michelle decide to divorce Wade or hold on to the hope that their marriage can be healed? Join the discussion.

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November 20, 2007, 7:12 pm PST

I totally agree!!

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and I'm sorry but the original poster also said

 

"my advice for Michelle is to find a support group like COSA or SLAA and work on herself, whether she stays with her husband or not!!  GOOD LUCK!!  my prayers are with this couple and their family!!"

 

This would imply that Michelle needs to work on herself as though it is Michelle who has a problem.  This is NOT SO!  The only problem Michelle had was allowing herself to be sucked in by a manic who has also made the claim of being a "sex addict".   I think it's cruel to imply that Michelle needs help except with perhaps the task of getting rid of her *abuser*.  As far as this woman and her being a "recovering sex addict" I still stand by what I originally said too if it walks like a duck & it talks like a duck then it shouldn't be upset when someone says "hey you're a duck"!   This duck acknowledged her husband who is great for standing by her though her ordeal but never a mention of what *she put him through* which I'm sure must have been devistating!  And THAT is what the poster who was "judgemental" was responding to "you & yours have no idea what you put your partner through!"  sounds to me like a partner that is speaking from experience!   And she would be correct in her assesment because if this woman had any clue of what she'd put her spouse through she wouldn't be suggesting that Michelle "work on herself" because she'd realize there's nothing WRONG with Michelle!  There wasn't anything wrong with her spouse either!  If I am a smoker that is something that *I* have to own & I have to deal with & I wouldn't suggesst that my husband go to a support group to "work on himself" because of my actions!  The same holds true for ANY recovering addict!  They're the addict not their spouse! 

 

Judgemental?  well if she doesn't want judgemental she shouldn't be telling a spouse who's husband is a lying, cheating abuser to "go work on herself" & that you can't always blame the man! 

 

 
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November 20, 2007, 7:22 pm PST

11/19 A Husband's Shocking Confessions

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It's a shame to be so bitter toward all men that you can lump all men as a dishonest group. There ARE good, honest men out there. Heck, I married one.

 

I'm not bitter to all men.  Just the ones that I have to deal with.  I am sure there are good men out there.  I just havent met any.  I am glad that you have one.  Consider yourself lucky.

 
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November 20, 2007, 7:42 pm PST

I totally agree!!

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and I'm sorry but the original poster also said

 

"my advice for Michelle is to find a support group like COSA or SLAA and work on herself, whether she stays with her husband or not!!  GOOD LUCK!!  my prayers are with this couple and their family!!"

 

This would imply that Michelle needs to work on herself as though it is Michelle who has a problem.  This is NOT SO!  The only problem Michelle had was allowing herself to be sucked in by a manic who has also made the claim of being a "sex addict".   I think it's cruel to imply that Michelle needs help except with perhaps the task of getting rid of her *abuser*.  As far as this woman and her being a "recovering sex addict" I still stand by what I originally said too if it walks like a duck & it talks like a duck then it shouldn't be upset when someone says "hey you're a duck"!   This duck acknowledged her husband who is great for standing by her though her ordeal but never a mention of what *she put him through* which I'm sure must have been devistating!  And THAT is what the poster who was "judgemental" was responding to "you & yours have no idea what you put your partner through!"  sounds to me like a partner that is speaking from experience!   And she would be correct in her assesment because if this woman had any clue of what she'd put her spouse through she wouldn't be suggesting that Michelle "work on herself" because she'd realize there's nothing WRONG with Michelle!  There wasn't anything wrong with her spouse either!  If I am a smoker that is something that *I* have to own & I have to deal with & I wouldn't suggesst that my husband go to a support group to "work on himself" because of my actions!  The same holds true for ANY recovering addict!  They're the addict not their spouse! 

 

Judgemental?  well if she doesn't want judgemental she shouldn't be telling a spouse who's husband is a lying, cheating abuser to "go work on herself" & that you can't always blame the man! 

 

NOT every woman is codependent and needs to "work on herself".  VERY often, a normal, well adjusted women just happens to meet and fall in love with a man who turns out to be a BIG LOSER!!  The men don't show their bad sides in the beginning!  It doesn't make HER in ANY way responsible for the downward spiral of their relationship because of HIS bad behavior.  THROUGH it all..........the woman is trying to come to grips with what HE is doing.....trying to grasp the reality of who she met and fell in love with....and this "stranger" who is doing mean and evil things, then apologizing and saying he will never do it again(sic).

 

It is not in ANY way HER fault that HE was a bad person and their relationship is in chaos!  The world of spousal abuse is filled with lies, deception and denial.  It is VERY important to understand that the woman is NOT RESPONSIBLE!  You must NEVER give advice that could make her think that she had ANY role in what happened.

 

An abused woman has ALREADY been beaten down mentally and emotionally by her abuser.  Do NOT add insult to injury by saying ANYTHING to make her think she has done something wrong!!

 

Respectfully,

Mgrlady

 
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November 20, 2007, 7:45 pm PST

Husband's shocking confessions

WOW....I love all your shows Dr.Phil, but this one has me on the edge of my seat. I can't wait to get home from work tomorrow and watch the finale part 3. That guy is creapy and so scary, my heart goes out to his wife.  What a shame to find out such a horrible thing about a guy that you married, and had kids with....I really hope that she gets alot of help dealing with this after the fact.....she's going to need it! God Bless !!!

 

P.S ( I myself lived with a liar and a cheater)  but I can't even imagine living with a sick nut like that !!

 
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November 20, 2007, 7:47 pm PST

11/19 A Husband's Shocking Confessions

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   COULD BE, THERE IS USUALLY MORE TO THE STORY!!!!!

Ya, I found that weird, would of been a little more safe calling ..911, you think? hmmm.....
 
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November 20, 2007, 9:16 pm PST

11/19 A Husband's Shocking Confessions

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I have a particular interest in the 3 part series starting Monday. I do want to watch it, but am fearful of the (personal) triggers that may be contained therein. I have it set to TIVO as I do for all of Dr. Phil's shows, so that I can watch topics that interest me, or a loved one, which is most of the time. I also TIVO so I can watch at a time that is more convenient for me to watch since I have a little one, and my husband has an aversion to Dr. Phil.

My husband is also a sex addict and compulsive liar. As I have heard Dr. Phil say in the past, 'How do you know he's lying? Because his lips are moving....' That is my husband.

We have been married for 6 1/2 years, and for the first 6 years, I was in full denial of the issues that were before me. I had literally become brainwashed to believe that I was crazy despite the disturbing content within his porn addiction, the inconsistencies of his stories, his villanizing of me to my family, friends, and co-workers, his sexual abuse of me, his objectification and devaluing of me, his total emotional abandonment, anger, rage, denial, and projection of his shame on me. If I found porn, it was my fault for looking, and I was a crazy f*ing 'C.' He truly was incapable of believing anything I had to say at all. If any fact was said by someone other than myself, it was indeed a fact or consideration. Anything I had to say was immediately dismissed as my imagination, or I just didn't know what I was talking about, or 'that's just stupid...'

If I questioned his obviously inappropriate behavior with clients, other professionals, or co-workers, I was made to believe that there was something wrong with my brain, because I was making these things up in my head. He was in collusion with my mother as the two of them took comfort in one another blaming my 'imagination' for the discontent in their lives. The anger, rage, and distance that was a daily ritual from him became unbearable for me. All the while, however, I portrayed an image of the perfect marriage and family to everyone else.

To the outside, he played the victim so well. He comes across as such a peaceful, understanding, empathetic man, but that is all an illusion.

His children from a previous marriage stayed with us for a while, (2005 & 2006) as we tried to blend the families. These children were violent, cruel, manipulative, (beyond what the normal difficult dynamics that can exist between step parents and step children) and they were openly abusive to our three year old daughter in my presence. (They are 7 and 8 years older than she is) When their father was home, the children were angelic. Anytime I would report their severe abuse, he would deny any issues... Therefore adding to his case that I was crazy, and that his children were fine. They were just being kids, and I was the one with the problem.

I had suffered from alcohol issues in the past, and unfortunately, during this time, I allowed myself to fall into that trap once again, late at night after the kids were in bed. In my mind, I was going crazy, and I needed something to make the pain and madness stop, even if only temporarily. In my mind, nothing short of suicide could stop the intense emptiness, so that is what I used to make myself stop feeling. At times, we had loud arguments late at night because of this.

When I finally obtained proof of abuse to my then 3 year old, we removed my step son from school, (he was 10 at the time) turned him in to the police, and when they could not arrest him (because my 3 year old could say 'what' happened, but she could not say 'when' it happened) we put him on a plane back to his mother, who is out of state. The other child was already back with the mother.

I was very stressed, teetering toward a breakdown, but tried to hold it together for the sake of my daughter. The acting out from my husband, (extreme deviant porn, sleeping with my friends, playing the victim, etc.) increased, and I was not allowed to tell anyone about what happened to my daughter. When I did, there was once again increased anger, rage, shame, and blame placed upon me, which I readily accepted.

At this point, he was still in full denial of ever acting out sexually, and that the porn was something that 'all guys did.' Also, during this time, he was sexually aggressive with me, at times continued thrusting when I cried out in pain, begging him to stop. He also began waking me up in the middle of the night after I had gone to bed, and after using alcohol or other sedatives, and he would have sex with me, and I would not remember at all. It became a shame game for me because I never remembered, and he would be so offended that I couldn't remember 'such an awesome experience,' so I began pretending that I did remember.

He is a gun enthusiast, and several of his favorite places on his computer back then were regarding how to hire a hit man, and how to get away with murder, how to clean crime scenes, etc. That was scary to me, and when confronted, he responded with his usual...'you're just stupid.'

The downward spiral continued until June of this year, when I turned to the Internet to find out what my problem was. I started searching to find out what was wrong with me, because I felt to shameful and inferior because of his porn use.

This is when my eyes were opened.

Dr. Phil's site, among others, helped me to realize that I was the co-dependent, or the co-sex addict. That these behaviors were NOT normal, and that not only was I being abused, but coming to grips with the fact that I was allowing it to happen. I had been in therapy for years, but once I got everything on the table, it was suggested that I attend an outpatient intensive therapy program. I was gone from home for 14 hours a day, Monday through Friday, for 2 weeks, in an amazingIN YOUR FACEintensive program.

My goal was to re-discover my sense of self, for me, but also so that I could model positive behavior for my daughter that I had never learned. Up to that point, all I had taught her was how to pretend things were OK when they truly were not, how to smile, and hide real feelings. This is what I learned, and I knew that I had to stop the cycle. I wanted to learn how to safely and effectively express real feelings without fear of anger, denial, or retribution.

In the two weeks I was in the intensive, I dealt with previously unknown childhood trauma issues, etc., as well as my accountability in all of this, which was very hard to face. I learned that I do have a voice, and a reason to be alive. I had gone from a size 14 to a size 4, (at 5'9') and nearly destroyed my face from picking from all the stress. I learned that I have body dismorphic issues that I still struggle with. During this time, there was no disclosure from my husband. In his words, he was merely holding down the fort while the crazy wife got her therapy.

AFTER my intensive treatment was complete, my husband regurgitated all of his affairs, lies, deceptions, becauase I had become stronger and he was afraid of losing me. Now, he is so sorry, so regretful, and so ashamed of how he lied, cheated, and punished me for his wrongs. I am the only woman he has ever loved, blah, blah... Those are nice words. He went to the same place I did for a few appointments, but finances haven't permitted further treatment for him.

He claims to be a changed man, and reformed, but just cannot seem to stop staring at other women, and internet attractions, etc. Like the husband on the show, 'isn't it convenient' that all his infidelities were in the past? Does that somehow make them OK? Why is it that it seems they cannot admit to the more recent activities...are they less forgivable? I know for a fact that I don't know the whole story, and his high horse of morality will not allow him to face his real self, therefore allowing the rest of the disclosure.

I have been sober from Alcohol for 10 weeks and counting. We live in the same house, but in separate bedrooms. There is no conflict, no sex, just more like roomates. Our 5 year old shares the bedroom with me, and is excelling in her school. She is currently in therapy also, and doing quite well.

My fear of watching the show is that it will reinforce the reality that I have to leave him, but our home is in foreclosure, there is no money, no support, no contingency plan, no nothing. I had wanted to return to work when my baby was a year old, but was unable to because I wasn't 'allowed' to. He works in my family's business, and he didn't want me nosing in his affairs. I realize that I am not a victim, and I HAVE NO ONE TO BLAME BUT MYSELF, but this reminder might be too much.
I am currently seeking employment again, we are moving into a rental together for financial reasons at this point, but he acts as if we 'just need to move forward.' I agree with that, but I cannot do that until I have a better understanding of why his switch went off. I've been living in the fog of wondering when it will all happen again. Then, if it does, how many years will be wasted then? It is nearly 7 years now.... it might be 10 or more.

My journey is in my blog, though I've not posted in a month or so.

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog&friendID=200544800

Thanks for letting me get this out....and if you've made it this far, you're a real trooper!


My thoughts are with you... but if you watch the 3rd part of this series... you may fear fo your life.   I hope this opens your eyes and you get out of this very TOXIC relationship! It wil be so much better for your children and YOU! Turn and make that chage and leave and make a new life fo yourself.

 

Take care of yourself...pleeeeeease!

 

 
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November 20, 2007, 11:15 pm PST

A Very sick person

After watching part 2 of this show I was almost sick. It just shows what a person doesen't know about someone else even if they live with that person.

 

I am sure the wife is scared to death. I am a man and I would be if I were her or if I just knew the couple.

 

Even Dr. Phil should be looking overhis shoulder as this clearly is a sick man that being exposed by Dr. Phil might try to take out his anger  on anyone connected with this horrible ordeal.

 

They need to lock this puppy up and throw away the key.

 
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November 21, 2007, 5:50 am PST

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My husband is also a sexual addict.  Michelle's uncontrollable shaking reminded me of what I've dreaded

while awaiting a response from my husband about his "faithfulness".  I wept to see her pain physically

erupting from the core of her being. 

Eight years ago my husband revealed his secret life of porn, strip bars, prostitutes etc. to me; we'd been married for 19 years.  I was absolutely devastated by the revelation but relieved to finally know the truth. Yet, I never for a moment believed that he'd do anything so vile, I knew that we had problems but there were no porn magazines or DVD's or any physical evidense of his addiction the only outward signs were his escalating anger, an overall offensive character, and the inexplicable loss of more jobs than I can even remember.  It took two full years of intensive counselling for me to even move in the direction of forgiveness towards him.  By forgiveness I don't mean that we reconcilled our marriage that was an issue separate and apart from the forgiveness.  Yet, because my husband was completely

repentant and exceptionally remorseful for the pain and heartbreak he'd caused our family, our counselor suggested that although we were separated ( if I could stand to see his face) that I allow him to remain in the house to take care of everything, while I recovered the shock and began to heal.  This I did and it was unbearable at times to have him around but little by little he began to change in ways that I had always prayed that he'd change.  Eventually, I began to feel as though I'd found my lost love whom I hadn't seen for many years.  The change in him was miraculous and although I had deep reservations we recommitted to one another and renewed our vows.  I wish that was the end of the story  "and they lived happily ever after", but five years later I began to see his black character emerging again so I began

to play dectective. 

I wish I could bring him to the polygraph expert to be tested on Dr. Phil.  The lying truly does make me feel crazy and although I'd like to believe him, I can't.  I've heard it said that "Sexual Addiction"

will soon become a T'sunami sweeping this continent and so little help is available!  Is there any hope?

 

 

You are right to question whether he is doing the same things again.  I also understand the need to have a smoking gun.  ie., the polygraph. 

 

However, your polygraph is YOUR intuition!  You KNOW the familiarity of the nagging questions you are hearing again in your head triggered by him doing some of the same things he used to do.  You have lived it and you KNOW what it feels like.  IMHO, you don't really need a polygraph because your experience is providing the same results as a polygraph does.  If you NEED to have the smoking gun, by all means, research how to go about getting a good polygraph examiner.  The expert on Dr. Phil may be able to direct you to one in your area.  Do whatever it takes to get this done as soon as possible, if needed!

 

BUT, Please consider this..............YOU do NOT need someone else to tell you that your husband is repeating his old ways!!!!  YOU do NOT need someone else to tell you that YOU have the right to live without lies and deception!!  YOU do NOT need someone else to tell you that he has and is likely again putting your health in danger by sleeping with other women/prostitutes!!  You have the right to walk away and never look back!!  YOU DESERVE TO LIVE A LIFE THAT IS HAPPY!!!! 

 

My fervent hope for you is that you find a solution quickly, whatever that may be.  Every day that you live with this pain is a wasted day.  By the way....you are NOT crazy!    You are on the roller coaster of his downward spiral into his addictions and deceptions.  Get off the ride.....YOU deserve the right to choose not to go through this again!!

 

Sending hope and strength to you,

Mgrlady

 
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November 21, 2007, 10:47 am PST

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Michelle said, "when they find a body I'll leave." HUH???????????????????

 

She said she wouldn't kill herself in the house alone with her children. But she WOULD take two sleeping pills that would put her into a stuper. Ummm....when you're in a prescription induced sleep you're not much good to your children EITHER, so that made no sense.

 

And just her clueless demeanor in general has got me more angry with her than with anyone else. This woman is not playing with a full deck.

I agree with her not playing with a full deck....the lady must not be, to sit there and say after her husband told her such awful things..." I'll leave if a body is found" ......are you kidding me????? That was the most stupid thing that I ever heard. What does it actually take to make her see that she is in danger?? Truely, not thinking at all, I'd be out of there so fast, he wouldn't even remember what I looked like!!!!!!!!

 

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November 21, 2007, 2:01 pm PST

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Sounds like Wade is a threat TO THE PUBLIC

 

he should be kept away from everyone ..........

 

 

 
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