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Topic : 07/30 A Husband's Shocking Confessions, Part 3

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(Original Air Date: 11/21/07) Dr. Phil continues the dramatic story of a husband’s alarming confessions that have brought a marriage to its knees and rocked a television production. Dr. Phil sits down with Wade and Michelle to go over details of the frightening crimes Wade claims he has committed. He says he has raped and murdered several people, though his memories of certain events are fuzzy. Can Dr. Phil get to the truth? While the police and FBI search for evidence, Dr. Phil asks for details. Did Wade carry out these atrocious crimes, or are they just more lies? And why does he have two memories of the same event, with dramatically different outcomes? Don’t miss the shocking turn of events that no one saw coming! Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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November 21, 2007, 9:34 am PST

Dr.Phil - something occured to me about this husband.

I haven't seen the third episode yet - will watch it today when I get home from work - but it occured to me that the husband might be lying about murdering and raping to discredit his wife. To make it seem as if she is a liar herself or crazy. He really wanted everyone to believe she was suicidal so why not go a step further and tell her things when they are alone and then deny them. He had to know she would call the show back after he revealed them.

As I said - there may be evidence in episode 3 that coroporates his rape/murder stories but if not he may be lying about this also. Anyone that would confess to something like this either falsly or genuiney is seriously ill and of course Michelle should pack up her children and leave. She is obviously in shock as evidenced by her shaking and demeanour and needs to get away from any contact with him until he is "out of her head".

I left an abusive marriage - not this same scenario - but it still took me about two years until his manipulations and victim mentality ceased to work on me. Others have written that they can't understand why she married him and why she stays but the co-dependent abusive marriage is a complicated and secret one that gradually erodes a woman's sense of self-esteem and sometimes even of reality.

This man appears a timebomb - I work in a shelter in Canada - and my gut tells me that he will explode in violence and that she needs to run far away.

 
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November 21, 2007, 9:37 am PST

11/21 A Husband's Shocking Confessions, Part 3

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I watched all three days of this drama unfold and agree with the posts that have pegged  the wife as also involved in this pathological situation.  Wade, at least, has a verifiable etiology to his illness; he has been thrown into inhuman conditions, trained to be a killing machine, which may be completely contrary to the the values he was brought up with, and then set loose upon release from the service with probable none to negligible support from the V.A., which unfortunately is the norm, especially in psychiatric matters.  I know whereof I speak, as I tried fruitlessly so may times as a psychiatric intake worker to have vets transferred to V.A. psychiatric facilities as they were in the midst of violent dissociative episodes, only to be put off until I heard, " admission hours are over now."

 

I believe Wade Had every right to be furious with the completely irresponsible actions of Mr. Tremarco in encouraging Wade's wife in any way to engage in further dialogue with a potentially explosive and murderous man, who was clearly under the most extreme duress.  Tremarco's ONLY advice to her should have been, "GET OUT, NOW!"  If she refused to leave, and the authorities were not aware of the situation, then Tremarco should only have made them aware, so that they could have had officers on the scene and at the ready.  I understand, Dr. Phil, that you would not want to disrespect one of your regular contributors on the air, but I feel that Wade was done a great therapeutic disservice in being called on rage that was absolutely reasonable and justified.

 

"Wade was done a great therapeutic disservice in being called on rage that was absolutely reasonable and justified."

 

 

I think that it was good that Dr. Phil saw a side of Wades temper. Dr. Phil seemed to do a great jobs at ending the conversation when he did. Now that they have seen part of this mans temper it will help them to treat him and deal with some of his problem's. I do wonder if some of this is for attention. When Wade came on stage it looked as if he was winking at his wife. Did I see that right? So maybe part of all of this was for some attention. As for the not having his wife leave right away I can understand why they did not rush in and remove her and the children. To much force could have made him snap if he does has that much rage and is possible of murder!  I am shocked that the restraining order was lifted, But as we see on the news all of the time If he really wanted to kill his wife and children he could have done it, even with a restraining order. I think he loves his wife and kids enough he is trying not to hurt them and that is why is has asked for help. 

 
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November 21, 2007, 9:38 am PST

What's up with these two?

 

After watching the show, I just can't seem to think that Michelle is "all there".  Seems like she's hiding something........... Could it be that she is aware of Wade's wrong doing and just now letting this all due to whatever reason.  She is just making sense with this whole thing............. Then she gets all emotional when talking with Dr. Phil, and Wade, but NEVER, NEVER has tears.  What is up with that?  She makes all the facial expressions.  But NO TEAR!  I think there is something more to this WHOLE story/family that is not being aired and I pray that Dr. Phil gets to the bottom of this whole family’s secrets.

 
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November 21, 2007, 9:41 am PST

She's innocent yes, but your "love" theory, common!

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Its is wrong for us to make statements on the wife. How would everyone feel if their spouse and father of their children did this , unless you have been in this situation , I think its totally wrong that you make cruel comments on her behavior. She loves/loved this man and you just cant turn off those feeling no matter what crime he committed. I praise her and wish her all the encouragement to pick up her life and be able to learn to love, trust, anyone every again and with cruel comments everyone is making about her she will have a more difficult time being able to heal!  Give her a break, society is so cruel!! Remember she didnt commit the crimes , he did!!!!!
I disagree about your "love" theory. I think you CAN lose those feelings of love pretty damned fast. You say it doesn't matter what crime he committed? Hell Yeah it does! If my husband turned up to be a serial killer or rapist, or something along those lines, I have a feeling I couldn't look at him the same ever again. Never! It's not that you didn't love him before, It's the realization that you did not marry a man that you knew, and therefore how could you be in love with this "new" person, this rapist, this killer? The thing that would hurt the most would be knowing that I made such a stupid mistake by falling for him to begin with, or perhaps having children with him....that is how I feel. (it's not like we're talking about shoplifting or jay walking, etc here. We are talking about murder--most foul!)
 
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November 21, 2007, 9:42 am PST

In regards to the shocking confessions

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Its is wrong for us to make statements on the wife. How would everyone feel if their spouse and father of their children did this , unless you have been in this situation , I think its totally wrong that you make cruel comments on her behavior. She loves/loved this man and you just cant turn off those feeling no matter what crime he committed. I praise her and wish her all the encouragement to pick up her life and be able to learn to love, trust, anyone every again and with cruel comments everyone is making about her she will have a more difficult time being able to heal!  Give her a break, society is so cruel!! Remember she didnt commit the crimes , he did!!!!!
I agree that the wife does seem off. Something isn't right.  When I was watching the show last night, she made a comment that she would leave when they found a body. Are you kidding me?? You would think one, especially with kids, would get the hell out of town. And where's the tears? She seems to calm. I dont know if it just hasn't hit her yet or what, but I would think she should be hysterical. I dont know. Seems weird to me.
 
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November 21, 2007, 9:45 am PST

True

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After following this story and a Father of five I just count my blessings mine haven't brought a person like this home. I really don't think at this point  he has killed anyone, I do believe he does force sex on women. I think the man should be in a inpatient security facility. I believe the wife needs mental help also. I think after they went home and the investigator that was in the audience went there that perhaps he got to close to his client and then she called the show back. I think Wade told her a bunch of lies to try to scare her into staying with him. There is no evdence of a body, a abandoned car towed in, no misssing reports on these people. The Macedonia incident show no investigation, If they were in the bar parking lot wouldn't someone hear or see something or the barhelp would of told the police over there that this serviceman followed the victims out of bar. God I hope he had no victims but I think some of  this may be fabricated and I think the investigator may have had ambitions for the Michelle. I think the both need to be inpatients and find the real truth and the investigator needs to leave it to the professionals being paid buy the taxpayer.
Where is the Ex-wife? Did anyone contact her to see if he did rape her?
I mean if you have a problem such as this the police should be questioning her and other family members I was in a crazy relationship with a SICK man and the first thing I did was contact his x to see if this was normal behavior for him. I can't wait to find out the truth to all of this its very scarey
 
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November 21, 2007, 9:48 am PST

re: michelle and wade

Even if Wade did not do the deeds he claimed to his wife, he is obviously a disturbed and dangerous man.

Perhaps his deviant fantasies are about to break out of his head and onto a real live victim. Michelles mental state, is also damaged and twisted after staying in this relationship.  Bottom line, the safest and soundest route is for her and her children to get out yesterday- get out and away so she can start healing and taking care of herself.  This man, whether or not having committed these crimes, just by stating them, shows that he is trying them on for size, the next step could very well be the fulfillment of these actions.  I for one, wouldnt even take the chance. Michelle, you cant help him after all this, its not in your power to stop the violence in someone elses heart. Run fast - run hard- hide yourself from this person, your children are in harms way every moment he is part of  your lives.

 
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November 21, 2007, 9:48 am PST

"Come On"

 

None of this is adding up.  I also believe no one would go on National TV and admit to those previous crimes.  Most women from an abusive background would not have even taken the chance to call Dr. Phil, after the confession.  It seemed like she was just sitting around not worrying if her husband had taped her calls or was monitoring her, like she had been the safest women in the world after the confession.  We all know if we haven't been there it is hard to say what we would do, but most sane person after hearing those confessions would of drove straight to the police station instead of getting Dr. Phil of the phone.  As Dr. Phil always states "Come On"

 
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November 21, 2007, 9:50 am PST

11/21 A Husband's Shocking Confessions, Part 3

Quote From: sueredling

I watched all three days of this drama unfold and agree with the posts that have pegged  the wife as also involved in this pathological situation.  Wade, at least, has a verifiable etiology to his illness; he has been thrown into inhuman conditions, trained to be a killing machine, which may be completely contrary to the the values he was brought up with, and then set loose upon release from the service with probable none to negligible support from the V.A., which unfortunately is the norm, especially in psychiatric matters.  I know whereof I speak, as I tried fruitlessly so may times as a psychiatric intake worker to have vets transferred to V.A. psychiatric facilities as they were in the midst of violent dissociative episodes, only to be put off until I heard, " admission hours are over now."

 

I believe Wade Had every right to be furious with the completely irresponsible actions of Mr. Tremarco in encouraging Wade's wife in any way to engage in further dialogue with a potentially explosive and murderous man, who was clearly under the most extreme duress.  Tremarco's ONLY advice to her should have been, "GET OUT, NOW!"  If she refused to leave, and the authorities were not aware of the situation, then Tremarco should only have made them aware, so that they could have had officers on the scene and at the ready.  I understand, Dr. Phil, that you would not want to disrespect one of your regular contributors on the air, but I feel that Wade was done a great therapeutic disservice in being called on rage that was absolutely reasonable and justified.

 

 I, too, found Trimarco's tactics, as described by Wade, Michelle and himself, to be highly questionable. And, in reckles disregard of her personal safety. He, I gather from what all three of them said, was using Michelle  to "interrogate" Wade.
Even using sex as a means to "milk" further "confessions" and "recollections" from him? Michelle admitted, on yesterday's show, that she'd had sex with Wade after one of his "confessions". And, on today's show, told Dr Phil that she was just following Trimarco's "advice".
Yesterday, Michelle told Dr Phil she'd had sex with  Wade because he'd become sexually aroused during some of his "confessions". Was Michelle following Trimarco's "advice" to "play" Wade so he'd continue  "supplying" her with information? Or, did she just want "some". Regardless, sex with someone in that state of arousal could turn deadly.
Trimarco suspected,  because of some "confessions" he made to Michelle, that he "could be" a serial killer? What I heard, on today's show, suggested that Trimarco was "using"  her as an "informant". Which wasn't her place. If there was any possibility that Wade's "confessions" were true, Trimarco should've advised Michelle to leave. And, let the professionals examine Wade. 
 
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November 21, 2007, 9:55 am PST

11/21 A Husband's Shocking Confessions, Part 3

Quote From: gillybean

I believe this guy is a complete liar. Who goes on national telivision and admits to killing and raping people. He obviously wants to scare his wife into staying with him. I believe he likes the attention he is getting and the fact that he believes people are scared of him. What killer wouldn't remember the details of killing if he got such a high, i think you would atleast know whether you did it or not. Either way he is sick. If he did it he is obviously sick, but lying about killing and raping someone? You have to be a screwed up individual to do that. I think he is a complete liar, and his wife should run away from his sick and twisted mind. Maybe she should call the x-wife?????

There is a whole mindset one aquires when one is in an abusive marriage. If you haven't been there then you can't see how anyone would stay with such a person. I was married for 19 years to a man that verbally, emotionally and sexually abused me. By mindcontrol and manipulation he took away my right to choose so that essentially I was raped by him for years - I just didn't understand that was happening because he didn't hit me. He told me we were "one flesh" - that our bodies didn't belong to ourselves but to each other. He would ask if I wanted sex - I'd say no but I will if you want to - and he always did. I took gravol after a few years as he sickened me. He liked me to lay naked and just look at me - opening orafices and just probing it always grossed me out but he always made it sound ok. He also did this to his sister when they were around 12 which totally turned me off him and always made me wonder about the safety of my children with me. Thank God he never did anything to them. He made me think that I was the one with all the problems. He was nice to me when I would have sex with him but never if I didn't. Essentially he took away my ability to choose. How he ever derived any pleasure from all this I do not know. Control likely. Seven years later I am whole and healthy - he stopped seeing our kids of his own accord over a year ago and life is good.

My point in writing this is to say that while you are in the situation and isolated (because you are disloyal if you "tell") you think your life is normal. Only getting out and getting help lets you realize it wasn't.

I still shudder when I think of him...........praise God I left!

 
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