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Topic : 11/26 Katherine Returns

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Created on : Tuesday, November 20, 2007, 06:03:36 pm
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Dr. Phil follows up with a family terrified for the safety of their loved one, Katherine, a young woman who flew to the Middle East to be with Abdullah, whom she met online. When she last spoke with Dr. Phil, Katherine promised that she would return to the United States within two days, but immediately after the show, she changed her mind. Find out what happened during two failed attempts to get Katherine home, and what finally got her on a plane. Then, Katherine’s mother, Shawn, and sister, Mary, say they were overwhelmingly relieved to have her back safe, so why didn’t they greet her at the airport? Katherine joins her family onstage and offers her tearful apologies. After hearing how her actions have affected her family and Dr. Phil’s staff, will Katherine go back to Abdullah, or will she have a change of heart? Join the discussion.

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November 27, 2007, 12:13 am PST

Dr. Phil Missed an Opportunity!

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My sentiments exactly.  I read and read many posts searching for someone to question this.  While it's a great relief that she's back in the U.S.--the most important thing, it sounds that she is in another relationship already.  I don't think that is wise.  Appears as if there is an emotional problem with this girl, er I mean young woman--she desperately needs or seeks attention and/or love.  Also, when you're "so in love" for 2 years, you don't fall out of love overnight (even with mistreatment), but certainly not in love with someone else in 2 or 3 weeks--even at age 18.  I wonder if it is a smokescreen of some sort...

You expressed my sentiments concisely.

 

Sadly, Dr. Phil never addressed Katherine's deeper emotional problem of knowing how to be independent!   Why does Katherine need to be always being in a relationship?  She just created chaos in one and immediately jumps into another relationship.

 

It’s pretty obvious, Katherine’s got  emotional problems that need to be addressed, instead of complimenting Katherine for meeting, “an American boy…It just feels a lot more right, doesn’t it?”  Let’s put things in perspective.  Try telling her to take it a little slower;  Katherine you just put your family thru hell when you ran away half-way across the world, of her own free will, only to break up with her 2year love affair AND now you are falling in love with someone new in less than 2 weeks?!

 

This is simply absurd.

 
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November 27, 2007, 12:49 am PST

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I cannot believe the mother let her daughter talk to this person while she was under age.  This is a perfect example of how teens are not monitored on their computers as well as cell phones.  Then, the mom enables her by letting her keep a cell phone and computer so Katherine could continue to speak with Abdullah for two more years!  I fault the mom and she surely should have showed more backbone.  The daughter ran all over her and apparently did not respect her mother enough that Katherine did exactly as Katherine pleased.

 

The mom is largely to blame here for allowing her daughter to carry on as she did.  Allowing Katherine to act as an adult when clearly she was immature.  You simply cannot allow "children" to conduct themselves as adults.  I can only compare this to Ozzy and Sharon Osbourne who let their under age children Jack and Kelly go out to bars and do some things that only adults should have done.  As a result, they both ended up in rehab.  While I am sure they loved their children dearly, they had too much freedom.  You cannot do this with children.  There has to be boundaries.

 

Katherine was too immature to have been allowed this relationship with Abdullah.  The mother should have stopped this when it first began.  No child of mine would have been given a cell phone where she could have spoken with a man in a foreign country placing them at risk, nor would the computer use have continued...unless closely monitored.  Poor parenting here.

 

 

 
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November 27, 2007, 1:50 am PST

Cultural insults

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First of all I don't understand what kind of a mother Katherine has that would let things get this far out of hand without knowing it. Kids don't have a right to privacy beyond what is reasonable and merited. This business about them they don't fell you trust them because you are always looking over their shoulders and adults who say I trust my child implicitly is insanity. Children do not know what to do with privacy or anything else when they come into this world. It is up to the parents to gently but firmly guide their children through the learning process of right and wrong, good and bad, innocence and ignorance. Her mother failed at this miserably.

 

Katherine has gotten way out of hand and needs to be realed back in even if it is against her will. She has no idea what she is in for if whe returns to that crazy backward country. I would buy a shack in the backwoods of Kentucky and take her there where I'd keep her tied up if that were the only way to keep her from going back over there. I would rather go to jail than see her go through hell.

 

Abdullah is a swine. He doesn't care about Katherine in the least. Nothing he said on the first show was truthful and everyone knew it. It was obvious that she wanted to disagree with him or cry out for help but was too afraid of the consequences once they were off camera. He should be arrested immediately if he comes to this country and tried for statutory rape for the sixteen year old abduction of Katerine when he first coerced into coming to him in Jordan. I think we should resort to cutting off non-essential body parts if he comes here, just like they do over there.

 

Parents: Please Do Look into your childs computers and see where they have been. That isn't wrong, it's responsible.

Although much of what you say about teens is very sensible, I am amazed at your willingness and ability to insult both the West Bank and Kentucky in the same post.  I would not use the term "crazy backwards country" to refer to the birthplace of Jewish and Christian cultures, cultures which are several thousand years older than this country is.  Also, I go to the University of Kentucky, and I'm not sure we have backwoods here, much less shacks in them. I find it very offensive when people from other parts of the United States use Appalachia as their favorite example of ignorance and poverty. There is plenty of that in every other state as well.
 
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November 27, 2007, 3:12 am PST

Katherine

Katherine if you're reading this I just wanted to commend you for coming home and making the decision you did and realized you deserve so much more than what Abdullah was giving you. You're a young beautiful intelligent woman who deserves someone who loves and respects you. I know how hard it must have been for you to leave someone you thought you loved. You have your whole life ahead of you. Today's a new day and each day should be spent in joy. When you're with someone, in good times or bad, you should never feel threatened in any way. Good for you for realizing something was not quite right. I'm so happy your home and safe. Cindy
 
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November 27, 2007, 4:41 am PST

11/26 Katherine Returns

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Threw this this whole thing I have said numerous times send him here to Canada will show him how woman fight back . He makes me so angry . Cant wait for the next show monday here in Canada

Women in Canada do not all know how to fight back. I am a canadian woman, and a Social Worker, and I have seen time and time again women staying in unhealthy, abusive relationships. It is no different than in the US. To imply all women in Canada are 'above' being in a relationship like this is ignorant. We can fall victim to unhealthy, abusive men just like anyone else can.

 

And bring him here to Canada just to show him what's what? No thanks. His country can keep him.

 

I think Katherine is very indecisive and I worry that she will not keep her promise and stay away from Abdullah. He is very manipulative, and we saw a dose of his anger on yesterday's conclusion.

 

Her mother has every right to take away her computer. No computer = NO my space. Why are people so naive about these sorts of pages. At least....make it private! Add people you KNOW. I really, do not understand with all the findings that have been done to prove the dangers of unknown people on the internet, we all fall into these pages.

 

That's not to say mature adults can't make their own decisions, but obviously Katherine could not and did not handle the maturity and responsibility that comes with it.

 
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November 27, 2007, 4:50 am PST

Katherine good luck

when I was 18 I too dated someone with similiar "ways". He was orginally from Afghanistan and had moved to the US. He had all the same traits Abdullah did. He stalked me and even brought a gun to the high school we attended and went there to kill me. He didn't like me breaking up with him at all. Luckily I wasn't at school that day and he was taken to a psychiatric hospital for two weeks as he also promised to kill himself.  I can't speak for ANY other Arab or Middle Easterner but in my experiece, I found I was treated far more like a possession than someone who was loved. I don't blame him and did forgive him and we became friends a while later after he calmed down. He married shortly therafter and had a baby. The wife is also Afghani and lives here in the US. Recently out of curiousity to see how his life has been I looked him up on the internet. After almost 15 years now I was saddened to find a news story in a paper in my area that he had kidnapped his wife and kids at gunpoint after she left him. Don't ever turn back Michelle, you live here, stay here and make you life and love here if you can. If not, make sure you are familiar with the person and their personal belief system truly before getting to involved. This exact thing can and does happen withAmercian men as well, make sure you don't "pick" men with those traits. Lean on Dr. Phil to make good choices and lastly, forgive yourself for what you put your family through, they will also eventually and you should be ahead of them and ready to be forgiven. Best of luck!
 
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November 27, 2007, 5:15 am PST

11/26 Katherine Returns

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No I did not say that there wasn't Everyone likes to twist wors around so they can have something to argue about.

 

At least here in America there laws against abuse.A .lot of 3rd world countries do not give women rights.

 

Also here in America and other free countries if a woman chooses to be with a guy that does not treat her with respect than that is her own fault.

 in the middle east ,girls have as much right to a good  eduction as boys do and they do excel get jobs as scientest  as teachers  and politicans they hav  high standards for their girls in evry country i the middle  east they have their law in saudi arabia woma cover hemselves from head to toeonly showing their eyes most woman have jobs my sister n law works she works in a television station in Sudia Arabia. In Eygpt, Jordan, an Lebonon they have freedom. Women here are not oppresed. they have rights there. If you want to open your mouth about Islam,i sugest you get to know the cultre and relgion well.
 
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November 27, 2007, 5:54 am PST

Katherine

This was a very scary story which fortunately has a relatively happy ending... Katherine made it home alive....hopefully with some  help they will be able to salvage the family unit...Issues like this just don't go away....They need to be worked through ...Why would a young woman who knew she has a warm loving family in the USA set out on an adventure like this and I believe it just started as an adventure...Where was the Father in all this? We all know that young people believe they are invincible and more than likely bad things happen to good people....We all know the old saying..."It couldn't happen to me" but it does...My heart goes out to Kats' family who was put through all this torture and to Katherine who made the right choice...I hope she sticks to her decission and truly gets on with her life...I'm sure it's an experience she will never forget...Fundamentalist Muslims are what causes alot of the terroristic problems in this country and alot around the world...We just need to be aware.
 
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November 27, 2007, 6:13 am PST

11/26 Katherine Returns

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Wow. You and your son are extremely ignorant.

 

"...there are no peaceful Arabs;they ae all terrorists." I'm sure they'd love to hear that. I am 16 and I cannot believe someone would say that or think that. Get some knowledge before you say anything.

Ok, here is ANOTHER teenager telling people who have been around for awhile where the bull goes potty in the buck wheat.   I think someone who is living in this part of the world has a better idea of what is going on in their neighborhood then someone siting in a secure home without rockets falling all around you. Or do you fear going to pizza joint where there is always a possibility you are going to be blown up by some "non-terroristic Arab"?  Additionally,I suppose at 16 you would also like to give all a heads-up on how to solve all the world problems?

 

This culture is a culture of jihad, especially the one Abdullah comes from in the Gaza strip (I also am confused here as to exactly Katherine was; as the Gaza Strip and West Bank are totally different places, separated by the country of Israel).  Certainly living next to a culture with this mindset as your neighbor has got to be a challenge - to say the least.

 
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November 27, 2007, 6:14 am PST

11/26 Katherine Returns

Quote From: dfordezzzzzi

Wow. You and your son are extremely ignorant.

 

"...there are no peaceful Arabs;they ae all terrorists." I'm sure they'd love to hear that. I am 16 and I cannot believe someone would say that or think that. Get some knowledge before you say anything.

Ignorance is the evil of all things. You've got a lot to learn before you make such a 'racist' comment about Arabs. Why don't you research the history of terrorism? Regret to inform you, terrorism was first introduced in occupied Palestine by the late Israeli Prime Minister Begin when he and other Jewish terrorists blew-up the King David hotel in Jerusalem when the Brits occuped the Holy Land,
 
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