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Topic : 11/26 Katherine Returns

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Created on : Tuesday, November 20, 2007, 06:03:36 pm
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Dr. Phil follows up with a family terrified for the safety of their loved one, Katherine, a young woman who flew to the Middle East to be with Abdullah, whom she met online. When she last spoke with Dr. Phil, Katherine promised that she would return to the United States within two days, but immediately after the show, she changed her mind. Find out what happened during two failed attempts to get Katherine home, and what finally got her on a plane. Then, Katherine’s mother, Shawn, and sister, Mary, say they were overwhelmingly relieved to have her back safe, so why didn’t they greet her at the airport? Katherine joins her family onstage and offers her tearful apologies. After hearing how her actions have affected her family and Dr. Phil’s staff, will Katherine go back to Abdullah, or will she have a change of heart? Join the discussion.

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December 3, 2007, 8:30 pm PST

Democracy & Dictatorship

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   And that is the difference between democracy and dictatorship.

 Justice and injustice.

                      Every nation has a part of people that are very intelligent. This is the group of people that is striving for knowledge and justice for all, to better their nation, to show the world that they are evolving, being more civilized, control their primitive urges.

           I see it mostly in USA and Europe if they can do it, it's possible or they must be super human inteligent race...

 

 

 The only problem is that ever since WWII our government has supported Saudi Arabia and it's system and has never tried to do a thing abou the way it treats its people. As long as they keep the oil flowing, they could be lining up women and burning them with flamethrowers and the only thing our government would do is ask them if they could reduce the price of oil a little.
 
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December 4, 2007, 2:39 am PST

Walk In Her Shoes!!

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We are a couple from Iran but we arrived Australia 15 months ago. We are one of your long-standing audiences from Iran and in Australia as well. Yesterday we were watching your program which was about an American teenage girl (Katherine) who flew to the Middle East to be with Abdullah, whom she met online. At the beginning of the show your focus was about being aware of the behavior of teenagers specifically their online connection. But after that the subject was changed to blaming and criticizing Abdullah who you and all of your audiences believed that attempting to brain washing Katherine regardless of concerning Katherine as well who was hiding her relationship from her family. Both should be judged fairly for following immature & dizzying infatuation relationship not only Abdullah who is identified as a symbol of any Middle East male who was trying to deceive Katherine.

 

But Im sending this email for you as an honored Expert who his goal is improving the attitudes of every individual as the core of any society and help them to sort out their personal problem as well. Initially I apologize you for proposing my suggestions which might not be approved by most of your audiences who are sizing up Middle East people as uneducated, terrorist, immoral.. Our expectation of your shows is basically depends on discussing about any social issues without discrimination, racism, disrespect ethical, cultural & religious differences.

 

When your guests & audiences are talking about The Middle east and amalgamating different problems by getting final results which are based on ignoring emotions of the people who are living there. Generalizing, Judging people and blaming lifestyle, ethical and cultural standards of any society definitely so disturbing and not fair, regardless of respecting many moral and cultural standards which make most of Muslim countries safe of big issues such as the family gap relationship, disrespect of children toward parents, being loyal, fair and responsible to others whether as a couple or any member of the society.

 

At the end of your show you were talking about Betty Mahmoodi who ran away with her daughter from Iran. Her book and the film which was based on her story was so suffering and painful for our people. There was widespread international condemnation of her exaggerated story so most of the people around the world were impressed of her misery and finding Iranians as a savage, cruel and uncivilized people as she monitored .When you are bringing up social matters your audience follow and see things through your eyes, therefore they are influenced by your judgment.

 

 Regarding the fact that your shows are televised widespread in most part of the world, you are as an honored expert teaching us how to size people up regardless of their religion, skin color, nationality, political affairs and culture. As far as Im concerned avoiding discrimination, stereotype, and racism are the main targets of your programs.

We are proud of having chance of watching your program which is greatly & fundamentally influenced our relationship and our attitudes to others.

 


  Regarding your statements of the Film :"Not Without My Daughter", By Betty Mahmoodi
  I was living in the Middle East at that time, she protrayed the "Truth", of what was going on in her
 own life! No where in the Book or Film, did she try to depict,people from Iran as savages. or cruel,
 uncivilized people!
They did not like it  because he was from Iran, it brought a lot of needed warnings out in the open!

This was going on throughout the whole Middle East, they were trying to ban the movie , and film.
It was a fact, he tricked her, and she was under the assumption it was a  vacation! So he is the one to blame for keeping her their as a prisoner, against her will!

Betty had to do what she could to protect herslf and escape his abuse , and gain her freedom!!
This was not discrimination ,or  an exaggerated story, it was her fight to gain freedom& protect her daughter!  She endured many hardships there.

People were not impressed, they felt immense sympathy and empathy, for her painful journey!
Through her story other women , caught in the same circumstances, were getting courage to get out also, of similar circumstances, throughout the Middle East!

This is the way in the Middle East, always they screen the truth from being exposed to the people.
I saw many women caught in countries, and could not leave.
It does not matter if these children are born in the states or not, they have dual citizenship, and the husband makes the final decision if they stay, if they are in the Middle East!

Betty helped a lot of women, many that were thinking of going overseas with their children, thought twice!! Thank God
Some women even were successful, in many missions where they actually hired  a"swat team" of sort, to go in and get these kids out, that were being forced to stay!
So if you think being held against your will is the right way to operate, you are mistaken!
Husbands in the Middle East that are holding their wives ,and children captive literally, are abusers,
and criminals! That is  not a marriage of love and trust!!
In regards to Katherine, their was no predjudice, she is one lucky girl!
The story did focus on the Middle East, because their is so much of this activity, still going on, and yes"brainwashing" was involved! Abdullah was from Palestine, should they have fabricated a
different country, just to pacify the Muslims!!
By the way, not just the Betty Mahmoodi story, the Middle East is infamous for covering up real
accounts, even of Muslim Women and their Muslim Husbands!
At that same time period they were banning the true story also of the "Death of a Princess",
who was stoned to death, who was an arab girl and her arab lover. She was covered when murdered!
Yes she was from the Royal Family, but their are many common arab women killed, and their lovers!
They also killed her arab lover in a public square! It was a terrible tradgedy!
Some  young arab  lovers, had"Romeo and Juliet" type stories , in a lot of Middle Eastern countries, who were not allowed to marry each other, both being arab,  the families didn't approve, or had an arranged marriage for one or the other. Some cases even the arab girls do get pregnant, they marry them off fast, so the family has no "Shame" on them!
The Middle East does not like it exposed , but a lot of these couples were actually committing suicide  years ago, because they could  not be together!
Betty Thank God you saved yourself& your daughter!!
You shed a lot of light for other women in your same situation, that they can get out of that darkness!
You brought awareness to others Internationally!
What great courage you had, and God protected you through your ordeal, until you reached safety!
Got Your Freedom Back!


    
     

 
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December 4, 2007, 5:46 pm PST

What happened

I THINK THAT EVERYTHING THAT WENT ON IN THAT SHOW WAS BLOWN OUT OF PROPORTION.

ABDULLAH DIDN'T KNOW WHAT OR WHO HE LOST UNTIL KATHEINE TOLD HIM HOW SHE FELT. IT'S JUST RIDICULOUS THE THINGS THAT THESE KIDS DO NOWADAYS. I MAY BE 21 BUT I KNOW BETTER THAN TO BE GOING TO ANOTHER PART OF THE WORLD JUST TO MEET A GUY. I MEAN IT DON'T MAKE SENSE. AND WORSE WHEN IT'S THE WAR!!! I REALLY THINK IN MY HEART THAT BOTH OF THEM SHOULDA BEEN MORE CAREFUL ABOUT THE DECISIONS THEY WERE MAKING WHILE ON THE NET, AM I WRONG FOR FEELING THIS WAY?

 

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December 5, 2007, 7:03 am PST

11/26 Katherine Returns

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I THINK THAT EVERYTHING THAT WENT ON IN THAT SHOW WAS BLOWN OUT OF PROPORTION.

ABDULLAH DIDN'T KNOW WHAT OR WHO HE LOST UNTIL KATHEINE TOLD HIM HOW SHE FELT. IT'S JUST RIDICULOUS THE THINGS THAT THESE KIDS DO NOWADAYS. I MAY BE 21 BUT I KNOW BETTER THAN TO BE GOING TO ANOTHER PART OF THE WORLD JUST TO MEET A GUY. I MEAN IT DON'T MAKE SENSE. AND WORSE WHEN IT'S THE WAR!!! I REALLY THINK IN MY HEART THAT BOTH OF THEM SHOULDA BEEN MORE CAREFUL ABOUT THE DECISIONS THEY WERE MAKING WHILE ON THE NET, AM I WRONG FOR FEELING THIS WAY?

Katherine has a lot of growing up to do.  I cannot imagine at age 16 trying to hop a plane to another country to meet someone you had never met.  However, people sometimes do rash things.  In Katherine's case we most certainly need to recognize the cultural and religious differences.  Believe me, had she married that guy in his country she'd be covering her head and not ever let out of the house without a family member as an escort.  I have a family member who met a guy online in the USA.  She arranged for her wedding, set a date, picked out a dress and had never met the guy in person!  And this lady is NOT a teenager - well past it.  Turns out this loser didn't have a job, had a lengthy criminal record, was into drugs and other criminal activity.  We received several telephone calls from the authorities wanting to know about this guy and the context of any phone conversations we had with him after I had contacted them for information on this person.  Does the feeling of being in love release some sort of hormones that interfere with rational thinking!!?  I'm serious here, I'd like to know if there is a physical change in the chemistry of the brain that inhibits rational thinking by women!
 
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December 5, 2007, 3:31 pm PST

11/26 Katherine Returns

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Katherine has a lot of growing up to do.  I cannot imagine at age 16 trying to hop a plane to another country to meet someone you had never met.  However, people sometimes do rash things.  In Katherine's case we most certainly need to recognize the cultural and religious differences.  Believe me, had she married that guy in his country she'd be covering her head and not ever let out of the house without a family member as an escort.  I have a family member who met a guy online in the USA.  She arranged for her wedding, set a date, picked out a dress and had never met the guy in person!  And this lady is NOT a teenager - well past it.  Turns out this loser didn't have a job, had a lengthy criminal record, was into drugs and other criminal activity.  We received several telephone calls from the authorities wanting to know about this guy and the context of any phone conversations we had with him after I had contacted them for information on this person.  Does the feeling of being in love release some sort of hormones that interfere with rational thinking!!?  I'm serious here, I'd like to know if there is a physical change in the chemistry of the brain that inhibits rational thinking by women!
I think there is a reason why they say love is blind
 
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December 6, 2007, 1:20 pm PST

11/26 Katherine Returns

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We are a couple from Iran but we arrived Australia 15 months ago. We are one of your long-standing audiences from Iran and in Australia as well. Yesterday we were watching your program which was about an American teenage girl (Katherine) who flew to the Middle East to be with Abdullah, whom she met online. At the beginning of the show your focus was about being aware of the behavior of teenagers specifically their online connection. But after that the subject was changed to blaming and criticizing Abdullah who you and all of your audiences believed that attempting to brain washing Katherine regardless of concerning Katherine as well who was hiding her relationship from her family. Both should be judged fairly for following immature & dizzying infatuation relationship not only Abdullah who is identified as a symbol of any Middle East male who was trying to deceive Katherine.

 

But Im sending this email for you as an honored Expert who his goal is improving the attitudes of every individual as the core of any society and help them to sort out their personal problem as well. Initially I apologize you for proposing my suggestions which might not be approved by most of your audiences who are sizing up Middle East people as uneducated, terrorist, immoral.. Our expectation of your shows is basically depends on discussing about any social issues without discrimination, racism, disrespect ethical, cultural & religious differences.

 

When your guests & audiences are talking about The Middle east and amalgamating different problems by getting final results which are based on ignoring emotions of the people who are living there. Generalizing, Judging people and blaming lifestyle, ethical and cultural standards of any society definitely so disturbing and not fair, regardless of respecting many moral and cultural standards which make most of Muslim countries safe of big issues such as the family gap relationship, disrespect of children toward parents, being loyal, fair and responsible to others whether as a couple or any member of the society.

 

At the end of your show you were talking about Betty Mahmoodi who ran away with her daughter from Iran. Her book and the film which was based on her story was so suffering and painful for our people. There was widespread international condemnation of her exaggerated story so most of the people around the world were impressed of her misery and finding Iranians as a savage, cruel and uncivilized people as she monitored .When you are bringing up social matters your audience follow and see things through your eyes, therefore they are influenced by your judgment.

 

 Regarding the fact that your shows are televised widespread in most part of the world, you are as an honored expert teaching us how to size people up regardless of their religion, skin color, nationality, political affairs and culture. As far as Im concerned avoiding discrimination, stereotype, and racism are the main targets of your programs.

We are proud of having chance of watching your program which is greatly & fundamentally influenced our relationship and our attitudes to others.

 

It really is unfortunate that issue has turned into hard feelings on both sides of the planet.  I don't think a majority of people on this board look down on Muslims as "uneducated, terrorists, [and] immoral." Although it would be easy to jump to conclusions if I had a relative involved in 9/11, I did not; so I only know what has been presented to me.  For example, when I look at my horses, I have the Arabs (Bedouins) to thank because before stud books were invented they understood the importance of not inbreeding your herd.  I could go on here . . . but I think you get my point.  I think it's important to note here a difference in culture:  Americans tend to view issues primarily as individuals; so when we speak of one Arab male or his actions we are not referring to the whole Arab race.  Generalizations are dangerous to make.  Thanks for your comments, though.  I don't agree with every point you're making; but I think I see where you're coming from.  The relationship between Katherine and Abdullah was a stretch to begin with.  However, it could have been handled better by Abdullah trying to meet her family (and taking a relative with him), and likewise.  I'm curious from a muslim perspective, what you think should have happened.  Thanks for your post.
 
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December 6, 2007, 1:33 pm PST

Courtship in 19th Century America

My grandparents told me in the 1800's it was not uncommon for a "gentleman caller" to come to the house of a young lady only to be supervised by the family sitting in the same room.  They would use some type of device that they would speak into one another's ear in order to have a private conversation.  I remember before my grandfather courted by grandma that he told me he dated around a lot (1920's); so I am assuming "dating" as we know it today did not introduce itself until the early 1900's.  Please correct me if I am wrong.  I know that when he wanted to start dating my grandma, however, that was a different story as she came from a conservative family and had a protective father.  He had to work hard to gain my great-grandfather's approval before he was even allowed to speak to her!  I'm not saying that we as Americans have to revert back to this style of getting to know a member of the opposite sex; but there's definitely some lessons we could learn here:  The object of having one's family around was that they knew you best; could provide some accountability so that you did not succumb to hormones before marriage; so that they could tell if your "caller" was really interested in you; and if the two of you were really a good match.  I'm sure as one reached a marriageable age, some time would have had to have been alloted for private conversations.  The lesson here is that it respected each other's family and made it hard for the ugliness of selfishness and self-gratification to take hold.  It would have been impossible to be "too close, too soon."  Just food for thought . . . . . .

 
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December 6, 2007, 9:38 pm PST

Grateful to Dr. Phil

I am so grateful that you went through that effort and expense for that girl. Amazing.
 
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December 17, 2007, 7:47 pm PST

What happened to Katherine?

What happened to Katherine and her family after the last showing? This was very interesting to me because it was sort of like  a reality check for me. I know a lot about the Islamic faith and I dont know if Katherine undertstood that this could  change her life forever? Just wondering!?!
 
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December 20, 2007, 10:49 am PST

This happened to my family

My sister went to India on a mission trip, and she comes back in a relationship. For a year and a half she puts our family through hell. She spent all of our money on cell phone calls. she sent him money, she even took 800 dollars from me for a plane ticket to go see him, but didn't go because my parents convinced her to break up with him. But she didn't. For a year and a half she lied to us, stole from us, and just wasn't the sister i remember. then he finally got his green card, came to america, and they got married. and now my parents pay their rent and all of their bills because they can't take care of themselves. my mother asked him if he wanted to get married and his response was why not.... Now he verbally abuses her. and threatens to leave her everyday, and every problem they have is somehow her fault. now their trying to have a baby. And she had an eptopic pregnancy a few months ago. and now he abuses her over how she can't have children. i wish Dr. Phil would have been able to do that to my sister... before it was too late
 
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