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Topic : 11/26 Katherine Returns

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Created on : Tuesday, November 20, 2007, 06:03:36 pm
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Dr. Phil follows up with a family terrified for the safety of their loved one, Katherine, a young woman who flew to the Middle East to be with Abdullah, whom she met online. When she last spoke with Dr. Phil, Katherine promised that she would return to the United States within two days, but immediately after the show, she changed her mind. Find out what happened during two failed attempts to get Katherine home, and what finally got her on a plane. Then, Katherine’s mother, Shawn, and sister, Mary, say they were overwhelmingly relieved to have her back safe, so why didn’t they greet her at the airport? Katherine joins her family onstage and offers her tearful apologies. After hearing how her actions have affected her family and Dr. Phil’s staff, will Katherine go back to Abdullah, or will she have a change of heart? Join the discussion.

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November 26, 2007, 2:06 pm PST

What ever happened to......?

Watching today's show I began to wonder what ever happened to the other Katherine?  The one whose whole family worked with Dr. Phil several years ago.  She had a baby - should be about 3 years old by now.  I just wonder how that whole family is doing now?

 

I'd like today's Katherine to know that no matter what hard times she ends up having in her life in the future I hope that she will NEVER think  "things would be better if I had married Abdullah" because I can guarantee her that it would not have been better.  If he was already speaking to her in that tone of voice that I heard today it would only get worse and worse as they got older and faced problems together.  He would blame everything on her and never understand his part in it!

 

Best Wishes and congratulations on your bravery and wise choices.

 
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November 26, 2007, 2:07 pm PST

11/26 Katherine Returns

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God bless you dr phil for your great work ,you are such an amazing man.

   this a big warning to all gals who look for love where there is no love , many men a crafty, all they want is  to satisfy their ego, and kathrine ,i ll say you are damn too lucky to have a good family that do not cease to ask for help and someone like dr phil.

   n i quote u kathrine"I cant even have a conversation with him without him yelling like that, Katherine says to Dr. Phil.  atleast now u ve tasted the life style of middle east man , if you are wise i dont thik you will dream about going that far, bcos next time he will kill you, not only hitting you with his belt.

   live up to a mature lady life here because we have  alot of good guys in our home land kathrine.

 

i quote u kathrine"I can’t even have a conversation with him without him yelling like that,” Katherine says to Dr. Phil.  atleast now u ve tasted the life style of middle east man , if you are wise i dont thik you will dream about going that far, bcos next time he will kill you, not only hitting you with his belt.

   live up to a mature lady life here because we have  alot of good guys in our home land kathrine.

 

IT'S NOT JUST MIDDLE EASTERN MEN WHO CAN BE VERBALLY, EMOTIONALLY, AND/OR PHYSICALLY ABUSIVE. ANY MAN CAN BE NO MATTER WHERE THEY ARE FROM.  THERE ARE A LOT OF GOOD GUYS EVERYWHERE.  SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO LEARN SOME HARD LESSONS.  WHAT IS IMPORTANT IS THAT WE LEARN FROM OUR EXPERIENCES AND HELP OTHERS TO NOT REPEAT THE SAM E MISTAKES OVER AND OVER AGAIN.  DR. PHIL DID AN EXCELLENT JOB IN SHOWING A GLIMPLSE OF AN ABUSIVE R/T TODAY ON HIS SHOW.  GOOD LUCK TO THE YOUNG LADY. 

 
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November 26, 2007, 2:14 pm PST

11/26 Katherine Returns

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I don't know, something about this really stinks to me, I'm really having a hard time beliving that Kathrine is the innocent victim everyone is portraying.

1)What did she tell Abdullah's Father to cause him to take such a risk to get her out of the country ? He must've known it was illegal, and I'm NOT saying he was RIGHT to do it.

2)Why wouldn't her Mother CHECK with her friend's parents to find out about this trip to Canada ? Last time I checked my passport, Canada was still a Nation separate from the United States tell me who on this board allows their sixteen year old to leave the country WITHOUT checking the story and I'm damn sure they wouldn't be going on their own, if it wasn't going to be chaperoned by adults, then guess what, you're NOT going

3)Why weren't her parents checking up on some of his claims ? The House, money etc.

4)When she came home the first time why was she allowed to stay in contact, why didn't they get an unlisted number and have her into counselling right away ?

5)They went to see her off at the airport, but didn't go to meet her on her return ?

I admit to being skeptical, about the motivations here wait and see tommorrow, and yes I know there are things that are being left out, but I still wonder...

I agree!!! I sure hope Katherine is home to stay and Abdullah is truly out of the picture. And I really hope Shawn steps up to actually being a parent, because she has failed miserably in the past!! This never should have gotten this far, Katherine shouldn't have been allowed to meet this guy to start with on myspace 2 years ago. If Mom had actually had a clue about what was going on in her daughter's life, this never would have happened!!
 
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November 26, 2007, 2:18 pm PST

ABUSE not religion!

I am so frustrated with what I am reading on this board. The bottom line is that this Abdullah fella is ABUSIVE! It doesn't matter if he is Muslim, Christian, Islamic, Jewish....it just DOES NOT matter. Verbal and physical abuse is NOT okay in any religion that I am aware of.  While watching the show, I never once thought  that Abdullah's religious beliefs somehow were accepting of his behavior. If an American man bit, kicked, cursed, etc. the person that he says he loves, I would not try to find out what his religious beliefs are in order to try to justify his abuse.
I do not consider Abdullah an example of ANYTHING, other than an immature, abusive young man that needs some psychological help. Obviously, his anger issues need to be addressed by a professional. His religious or cultural beliefs are not the problem here.
 
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November 26, 2007, 2:27 pm PST

The girl's going back

There was no resolve in her voice or manner.  How many times does it have to happen before everyone realizes--she will go back to him two more times and the third time she tries to leave may be her last.  I volunteer at a woman's shelter and this is only the first "honeymoon" phase.  She will get in touch with him because she knows he will woo her back and when she gets hit again she'll expect us all to care as much and have the same level of passion to get her home again.  She is just looking for one "honeymoon" after the other.  However his personality type won't let her leave a forth time.  The third time she goes back he will be set on his course.  It has happened too many times and she doesn't have the look of one who knows the fear of going back.   
 
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November 26, 2007, 2:31 pm PST

Katherine's Return

I am so glad Katherine is home safe and sound with her family.  I know it's going to be hard but what she left there is Palestine could have been her burial in some unmarked grave after Abdullah did his worst with her.  Men like that do not deserve the love of a good woman.  I say this because I know first hand how bad it can get.  I'm lucky to be alive.  Many years ago, I pledged my love to a man just like that is this very country.  My little girl was born five weeks early because he tried to push me down some stairs.  I was in a nightmare.  I should have ran from him like running from a pack of wild dogs.  Fortunately, I had and dad and three brothers who helped me escape the nightmare.  Embrace your family and their love and their courage to do what they could to incorporate Dr. Phil's help to get you home if at all possible.  I saw the first show.  I'm amazed he even "allowed" you to board that plane and I suspect he had everything to do with the two failed attempts to get you on a plane before.  He's a smooth talker.  He's probably very charming when he needs to be.  I know he's also very mean and violent when crossed.  Be happy with yoru family.  Begin your life with joy and gratitude that you are safe and alive and free of that aweful person.
 
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November 26, 2007, 2:35 pm PST

what was she thinking?

 This message is about today's show with Katherine coming home. She is extremely lucky to have gotten out of Gaza.  My sister is an American living in Israel and she has done so for over 30 years. Ramallah where Abdullah lives with his family is a hotbed of terrorists and run by Hamas, a known terrorist organization. While I have never been to Gaza myself, I have been to many, many parts of Israel including the Old City. When my sister and I walked alone up the Villa Dolorosa to the main gate from the Wailing Wall, there were many "catcalls" and remarks made both in English and Arabic when we passed by.  I'm not saying that all Arabs are bad people; they are not. Most of them are hardworking and just want to provide a decent life for their families.  It's their view of American women that I question, and Abdullah calling Katherine a "whore" and a "slut" is no great surprize to me.  This is what happened to me and my sister, in the town I lived in while in New York and she was visiting me.  We look like typical American women (younger then). We were in my car at the local gas station (which had been bought by some Arab men from a local man). It didn't make any difference to me that the station had been sold; I always got good service there so there was no reason for me to stop.  My sister's 2 young children were in the car too.

I handed the young man money to pay for the gas and he said something in Arabic to another young man who came and took the money and went inside. My sister jumped out of the car yelling and running into the gas station office to speak with the manager.  See, besides speaking fluent Hebrew, she also understands Arabic, and the young man who I thought was so nice had said to the other man in Arabic "Get the American whore her change, so she can leave."  I was so shocked to find out what he had said.  How many other women did he say that about?  Here they are making money off of us, and they call us filty names!! Needless to say, I never went back there, and I let everyone in my semi-small town know what happened so they would not patronize that station.  Katherine is very, very lucky to have come home. I've seen first hand how most Arab women are treated over there; they have very little freedom and are there primarily to have children and keep the house. The younger women who come from more "modern" families do attend college and have a different outlook than their predecessors, but the mentallity of the typical man in Gaza is that "they rule" the roost and the woman is virtually nothing.  By the way, Abdullah not looking Dr. Phil in the eye or Katherine's family is so very typical; they can look you in the face (somewhat) and they will say anything to get you to do whatever they want, and I believe he was trying to intimidate Katherine again into coming back to Gaza.  By the way, I do not dislike people of Arab decent or anyone practicing the Muslim religion; one of my best friends in college was an Iranian student who couldn't go back to Iran to see his family, and we studied together.  He was a great friend!!  Would like to hear from others who had similar thoughts about this Katherine stuff.  Ladyliberty

 
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November 26, 2007, 2:36 pm PST

11/26 Katherine Returns

First let me say thank you to Dr Phil for repeatedly  mobilizing his resources to help this young lady come home.  She may be too inexperienced to understand the full impact of the gift you have given her,  You  have quite possibly saved her life.  Thanks to the internet, people have access to meet people globally, to build and  enjoy new friendships and have positive cultural experiences. However, in this case there was a negative result.   I hope that she and her family receive the counseling they need to heal.  Additionally, I pray  that Katherine receives  individual counseling so that she can learn why she tolerated and accepted the alleged verbal and physical abuse.  She is in my prayers and my heart goes out to her family.  I hope her family remembers this could have ended much differently everytime they are tempted to  chastise her or remind her of her behavior..  Thanks Dr Phil, you have once again, used your influence and resources in the most positive way imaginable.  -

 
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November 26, 2007, 2:37 pm PST

Just wanted to know

I  just sat through the show where Katherine Returns.....and did anyone else see the wedding ring on her finger in the scene where she was supposed to return home but went back?  If she did infact marry him what does that mean for her....? 
 
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November 26, 2007, 2:39 pm PST

Islam

I am a devout Christian & it bothers me to see how odd people are acting regarding Katherine & Abdullah. There is constant referral to Palestine being a War Zone & K's life in danger. I have a good friend, a Jewish woman, who spent a year in a Kibbutz in Israel.  There were bombings of buses while she lived there but she felt it was a wonderful experience. The people of Belfast lived through horrors during bad times. Do we teach our children to fear the world outside or to embrace it?  My husband & I have traveled extensively (he has lived in Afghanistan & India, I lived in Kenya--with tribal people) and we've had nothing but great experiences outside this country.

Also, K's Mom is whiny. So K left home at 16/18!? I left home at 16, put myself through college by working 2 jobs. I made a big mistake and married an idiot when I was 20.  But now, at 55, my life is wonderful. I married a fantastic guy when I was in my 30s. I really think K's Mom needs to find something else to occupy her mind other than "baby Katherine."  Let this girl make her own mistakes!  And please, please get off the fear based talk re: foreigners!

 
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