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Topic : 11/26 Katherine Returns

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Created on : Tuesday, November 20, 2007, 06:03:36 pm
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Dr. Phil follows up with a family terrified for the safety of their loved one, Katherine, a young woman who flew to the Middle East to be with Abdullah, whom she met online. When she last spoke with Dr. Phil, Katherine promised that she would return to the United States within two days, but immediately after the show, she changed her mind. Find out what happened during two failed attempts to get Katherine home, and what finally got her on a plane. Then, Katherine’s mother, Shawn, and sister, Mary, say they were overwhelmingly relieved to have her back safe, so why didn’t they greet her at the airport? Katherine joins her family onstage and offers her tearful apologies. After hearing how her actions have affected her family and Dr. Phil’s staff, will Katherine go back to Abdullah, or will she have a change of heart? Join the discussion.

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November 26, 2007, 2:54 pm PST

11/26 Katherine Returns

Oh, so "beautiful" Katherine met an American boy. (Insert copious applause and catcalls.) We all know American boys are great; no abuse or violence here.

 

Yes, this guy's a sad excuse for a man, but lay same of the responsibility at her feet. Why didn't she leave the first time? Why didn't she leave the second time?

 

But it's okay. She's back in America now. Nothing bad can happen to her now. In fact, her early-admissions letter just left Cambridge this morning.

 
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November 26, 2007, 2:54 pm PST

I have lived this myself

My darling daughhter met a boy at school that seemed so nice in the beginning.  His home life wasn't great-mom who is bipolar and doesn't think she needs her meds, dad who is away much of the year (work required) and he was left to pretty much raise himself.  At first this guy was kind, thoughtful and mannerly but soon became very possesive of ym daughter and the fights began.  There was much jealousy-on both sides-as he was telling her what she could or could not do while at the same time telling her what he was going to do.  His jauants included taking girls anywhere he went if she was not able to go with him.  My daughter was a wee 14 when she met this kid.  He had taken her virginity before she turned 15.  Then there was the pressure to get on birth control or he would break up with her.  He actually asked me numerous times if I would put her on birth control and then why wouldn't I once I told him NO.  This kid wasn't ever told NO to anything.  He conned me in so man ways and also conned my daughter although she is to blame for her actions along the way.  But somehow this kid got under her skin and no matter how much they fought ot how often he called her the same type names that Katherine has been called my daughter was willing to go back.  I tried counseling for my daughter and also for this boy.  It got to a point where I put a protection order out on him adn the courts signed it but then allowed the boy and his mother (who just showed up in the picture for court) to put one on my daughter.  Then, after the boy was away for a good 5+ weeks he vanalized our house within 24 of being home.  I pressed charges.  He got a slap on the hand as it was his first "offense".  WE ended up keeping our daughter out of school to avoid contact with this boy and her grades slipped horribly.  She is a very good student so we put her back in for the remainder of the year, thinking enough time had gone by that she would see him for what he really was. He slowly wormed his way back in and promised her all that he knew she needed to hear.  It came to an end when my daughter left the house ewithout permission, stole our vehicle and went to this boy-whose mother helped with the entire escapade.  We ended up taking our daughter to juvenile court and putting her on youth at risk.  It was a tough thing to do but we had to do everything we could to protect her.  We had taken away all her priveleges-down to not even allowing her to go places with friends.  When my daughter got picked up we were allowed to leave her in juvie for 24 hours-so we did just that.  She didn't like it at all and while the problems didn't go awayimmediately things did begin to get a bit better.

 

I hope Katherine knows that she owes herself the right to happiness.  She will not ever have that with this creep.  It has nothing to do with his nationality-it is who he is that is the problem.  He is a controlling, abusive, worthless creep who will only ruin what he can for Katherine.  This is about control-I have seen it in my own home.  My daughters ex boyfriend hit her and kicked her and put his hands on her throat.  These  types of behaviour do NOT get better-not without much treatment and desire.

 

Katherine-read this and know that a person who has no ties to you whatsoever watched Dr. Phil and got goosebumps as it brought back so much of an ugly past.

 

I wish you the very best of everything-I hope you chose wisely.

 

 

 
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November 26, 2007, 2:55 pm PST

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First let me say,  I am a huge Dr. Phil fan... but I have watched these shows about the girl with the boyfriend on the Gaza strip.  All I keep hearing is this horrible guy from over there.  I do agree he is bad guy.  But your show & all that has been said makes it seem like any guy from over there is bad... like Dr. Phil said "she meet a good ole American boy"  What.... like all the men over there are all bad?  I was really disappointed that Dr. Phil did not clarify that.  I'm sure there are many good men over there (in Jordan aka Gaza strip).  I just wish that Dr. Phil would have said that he is a bad, not all men from there.  I sure know a whole lot of  "Good ole American boys that beat & abuse there women right here is the USA. 
 
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November 26, 2007, 2:57 pm PST

11/26 Katherine Returns

I would agree with the poster who asked -- "Where was Mom?"  After Katherine came back to the U.S.  after being held-up in Jordan, didn't Katherine continue to communicate with Abdullah via the Internet... for two years?  That would have been a good point to chuck the P.C. out the door -- CHUCK IT, I TELLS YOU!

 
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November 26, 2007, 2:59 pm PST

Katherine Returns

Katherine is such an immature young woman. She is still not strong enough to think for herself. She says that she is independent, but I am not sure she knows what that means.

She is not going to be with Abdullah anymore? Is it because she has met someone new? She needs some growing up to do. She needs to get a good education and learn to be an independent woman before she can be with anyone. She won't be happy until she can do that; and her mom needs to encourage this if Katherine is going to be happy.

Mom needs to tell her exactly how she feels and not be bullied by her child.

 
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November 26, 2007, 2:59 pm PST

Being 16 is being stupid sometimes

Quote From: fordchick13

When Katherine was 16 and pulled this stunt the young man's father should of been banned from the United States. If I heard correct his father goes to America 6 months out of the year. Why hasn't he been punished?

As for Katherine she is infuriately a typical female. Many of us females seek love. Many of times in the wrong way and wrong places. Young and old.

 

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Girls that young and grown women sometimes do stupid things in the name of love.  I don't doubt for a minute that Katherine believed she loved this person.  She believed he loved her.  Why would she have tried to go there the first time only to fail and then wait two years to successfully united herself with her love?  I believe she has now faced the total reality of the situation.  He was abusive.  She is staying here and I hope she will be allowed to make amends with her family.  To Katherine's momma, embrace your daughter.  Help her get passed this.  She needs your forgiveness and your love and your affection.  I have a daughter.  She is 41 years old now and we also have our history.  She made her share of bad choices for herself beginning with marriage right out of high school to a man we would have never chosen for her in a million years.  They are divorced and she also has since divorced a second husband because he wanted to be with other women.  We make mistakes in our youth.  And sometimes we make mistakes in our old age. lol. 
 
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November 26, 2007, 3:00 pm PST

Katherine

There is some kind of family dynamic that I don't understand.  A therapist will have to interview Katherine and her family to figure it out. Aside from that, I wonder why Katherine would be attracted

to an obsessive relationship. If she doesn't learn why, she will get mixed up with another controlling man.

 

I have nothing against Muslims as people, but it is my understanding that no Muslim family would consider Katherine as a suitable wife for their son.  She not only ran away from her family and lived with Abdullah, but she was shown smoking, too.  He kept saying how much his family liked her but we didn't see THEM say that.  No, this relationship never had a chance.  I pity the girl who marries him.

 

But Katherine needs to find out what is wrong with her choices.  Maybe she has taken the first step.

 
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November 26, 2007, 3:04 pm PST

An Expensive Lesson Still Not Learned

Katherine is a spoiled, selfish, immature manipulator.  I have a hard time believing that she was the "normal" teenager her mother claimed she was, a good student and never a problem.  If I had been her mother I would have confiscated her cell phone and computer when she was sixteen and started this idiotic relationship with Abdullah.  This country cannot afford to trust our security to this kind of silly "relationship."  This guy is a time bomb, and girls like Katherine, and there must be more like her in this country, are putting us at risk by potentially bringing foreigners with Abdullah's personality to this country.  As far as I'm concerned, he IS a terrorist.  Is he the example the Palestinians want as their representative?  His obstinacy  and unpredictability cannot help their cause.  Katherine's family are idiots for letting the situation go this far.  And let's not be so ready to applaud Katherine for finding an American boy already.  She should be with no one until she's had some serious psychological help and until she's been in family counseling with her mother and siblings for at least a year.  Katherine's escapades cost a pretty penny, literally and figuratively.  Aside from Dr. Phil's help, where'd she get the money?    She needs to be in school, at a job, and under some kind of control. 
 
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November 26, 2007, 3:05 pm PST

Have you ever heard of manipulation?

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 This is the dumbest girl I've ever seen.  I lost sympathy for her the first time.  She needs to grow up on her own.  Her family can only do so much for her.  If she goes back AGAIN, they should let her live with that decision. 
 So I guess in your mind, every abused woman is just dumb?  Why do you think that battered women keep going back?  It because they are manipulated.  The abuser will beat their esteems down to nearly nothing until they feel that they don't deserve better.  They feel that they deserve the abuse.  After a fight, the abuser will act really sweet and apologetic and that it will never happen again, until the next time.  If I were her family I would never give up on her! 
 
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November 26, 2007, 3:05 pm PST

Katherine

Dr. Phil...

I watched your show today hoping  Katherine would come on and be honest!!  It did not happen!!    She's not being sincere with herself, much less her family and YOU.  Maybe she was "brainwashed" by this individual and his family.   I don't think she is over this person, I believe she may run back to him.  If she really meant it when she said "It was over"... she should not have started her conversation with Abdulah.. "This is hard for me to say...."  Part of me even feels sorry for this young man - he has been taken by this young-pretty-American girl.  She's been leading him on.  If I am not mistaken, men from that part of the world, are controlling.  Katherine should have done her homework . 

 

I, also, feel very sad for the mother and Katherine's siblings.  I agree with Katherine sister; Katherine is all about Katherine and to me, all of this is just for show. 

 

She will speak to this young man again, and who knows he might find a way to come to our Country looking for her.  I pray no harm will come to anyone, if this ever happens.  This could turn out to be a "Fatal Attraction".

 

 

 
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