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Topic : 11/26 Katherine Returns

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Created on : Tuesday, November 20, 2007, 06:03:36 pm
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Dr. Phil follows up with a family terrified for the safety of their loved one, Katherine, a young woman who flew to the Middle East to be with Abdullah, whom she met online. When she last spoke with Dr. Phil, Katherine promised that she would return to the United States within two days, but immediately after the show, she changed her mind. Find out what happened during two failed attempts to get Katherine home, and what finally got her on a plane. Then, Katherine’s mother, Shawn, and sister, Mary, say they were overwhelmingly relieved to have her back safe, so why didn’t they greet her at the airport? Katherine joins her family onstage and offers her tearful apologies. After hearing how her actions have affected her family and Dr. Phil’s staff, will Katherine go back to Abdullah, or will she have a change of heart? Join the discussion.

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November 26, 2007, 3:26 pm PST

11/26 Katherine Returns

Quote From: trogdor

I fought for this country and its principles and believe that there is no other country in the world that protects its citizens' values and freedoms like the U.S.  I also know FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE that many Middle Eastern countries do not have those same values.  Women are truly second class citizens and do not have the right to just walk away if they feel like it, unlike here in the U.S. which was stated in the above quote.  I'm not saying that romance can't survive between a Middle Eastern and an American, but unless those archaeic views are discarded for those of logic and human decency, it cannot and will never work.
That original message was basically all the bs that America has crammed down our throats for years summed up into a couple of paragraphs. Do some research lady...
 
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November 26, 2007, 3:27 pm PST

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As a Canadian  I am & have been engaged to a lady in the Pilippines for over 2 years. We met over the internet and have only met f2f via web cam.

I call by telephone regularily & have spoken to her mother several times. My finance has a daughter who has never known a daddy in her home. However, she now calls me daddy!Yes, I can understand the reasoning of most readers, Dr Phil's included!

Chonalyn, my finance, and I hold NO secrets! She knows, in DETAIL, my past, which she says "has no bearing on our present or future".

Her mother gives us her blessings, as does her entire family there.

HOWEVER, Katherine's situation is, I believe, entirely different! She has been lead to believe in something that was a total fabrication from the beginning.

In the television interview with her man beside her, I could detect the fear in her eyes as she spoke "freely".

In Katherine's story, the people involved obviously have money.

In my story, there is no money, I live on disability pension with very limited income, Chonalyn knows this.Mine is a totally different story & does not belong on this board. I hope to share it with Dr Phil at another time.

Thanks.   Wayne, Ontario, Canada.

Maybe Dr. Phil can help you and your fiance.  I hope to see your story on the show.  Best of luck to you, Wayne, and May God Bless. 

JoieAntionette

 
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November 26, 2007, 3:28 pm PST

11/26 Katherine Returns

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Oh, so "beautiful" Katherine met an American boy. (Insert copious applause and catcalls.) We all know American boys are great; no abuse or violence here.

 

Yes, this guy's a sad excuse for a man, but lay same of the responsibility at her feet. Why didn't she leave the first time? Why didn't she leave the second time?

 

But it's okay. She's back in America now. Nothing bad can happen to her now. In fact, her early-admissions letter just left Cambridge this morning.

hahaha. That's great!
 
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November 26, 2007, 3:28 pm PST

Katherine returns

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Dr. Phil,

 

    I think it is plain that Abdullah, his father and family were involved in beating a U.S. Citizen...  My question is why does our Government knowing this would ever allow Abdullah and/or his father back into this Country.  They should now be put on the list and never be allowed back into the United States again.

  I DO THINK IT IS PLAIN THAT ABDULLAH AND HIS FAMILY HAVE NO RESPECT FOR AMERICAN CITIZENS.. I THINK THAT THE GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO REVOKE HIS FATHERS'VISA AND NOT LET ANY OF THEM BACK IN AT ALL , I DO THINK THEY ARE TERRORIST AT LEAST TO KATHERINE AND HER FAMILY ......NONE OF THEM NEED TO BE IN AMERICA , NOT EVEN HIS COUSINS ANY OF HIS RELATIVES... IT IS WITH EVERY MAN OR WOMAN THAT ARE DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHER PEOPLE , NO ONE NEEDS TO BE MIXING RACES. I KNOW, I AM MARRIED TO ANOTHER RACE, HE  IS AN AMERICAN, BUT  OF MEXICAN DECENT AND HE IS HARD TO GET ALONG WITH, HE DOESN'T THINK HE IS WRONG AT ALL AND HE IS 62 YEARS OLD...I DON'T THINK  OTHER HISPANIC PEOPLE NEED TO MIX EITHER NO RACE , NEEDS TOO...

 
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November 26, 2007, 3:33 pm PST

11/26 Katherine Returns

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Has it ever concerned you that you might be the hated one? Have you ever considered the other side? Have you ever considered that people in all the world have problems? Have you ever opened your heart to the other half of the world? Have you ever said--'I hope all the people of the world will be well, be happy, have a family, love someone and be loved back, Have you ever said 'I Love You' and meant it, have you ever seen a child loosing his fight for life and said 'I Love You'. Have you ever honestly said 'I love you'

The woman whose article you are responding to wrote an intelligent comment naming historical facts about the treatment of women in different societies.  Your reply is non-sensical sentimentalism.

 

Honestly, the majority of replies on this message board, as well as the show itself, are so ignorant that it makes me embarrassed to be North American (I am Canadian).

 

Having had the priveledge to have travelled extensively to South and Central America, Europe, and Asia, I can tell you with great certainty that most of the world hates Americans.  Thanks to your hypocirtical foreign policy (especially since 9/11) and business trade ethics you have lost all credibility and moral standing internationally.  No one wants your 'democracy', where roughly about only 1/3 of you exercise your preciously defended right to vote, and are made to systematically give away your freedoms in exchange for protection from the vague enemy of terrorism. (ie the Patriot Act, suspension of torture laws ect...) 

And as for women's rights, this year is the first that a woman is being considered for president and even now one of her greatest obstacles to overcome was to be taken seriously even as a woman.  Many Islamic countries (I'm not talking about Iran ect..) have not only fair women's rights but also have had prominent women politicians and leaders for decades.  (ie look at what is going on in Pakistan right now).

 

As for this show, it was two young kids falling in and out of love.  Both were foolish and acted in haste.  This happens everyday and both Katherine and Abdullah are equality at fault for commiting to a relationship too soon.  Yes he's probably a jerk, but she doesnt seem so innocent either.  If someone broke up with me in front of a million people on tv  I would be pretty pissed too.

 

 
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November 26, 2007, 3:35 pm PST

Sorry for the 2nd post in a short span of time

I'm not the brightest bulb on the tree, so why couldn't Abdullah meet a woman in his area?

 

Why are we afraid of Arabs?  I am Jewish, so to me, thats a stupid question.  Are any or all arabs responsible for 9-11 attacks?

 

We had a problem in NJ not long ago.  A few people attacked and beat up a Turkish man because of the head thing he was wearing.  Does violence promote more violence?  Does it promote hate?  OK funny story I went to see a friend of mine.  Because there was a praying mantis on the window, I wouldn't go in.  I hate bugs... It was ugly!  LOL could you imagine it with a turban on its head; I'd be a screaming meme.

 

I am sorry for asking these silly questions... I am thinking to far out of the box... won't be the first time.  I don't mean to sound ignorant either. 

 

 
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November 26, 2007, 3:36 pm PST

Young Love?

Even though I agree with everyone in that Katherine needs to be separated from Abdullah, I do think most Americans wrote him off immediately simply because he was from Palestine.  Katherine could have met the greatest guy in the world; however, as soon as we hear that he is from Palestine and lives there, we as Americans would write him off as well.  I, too, am guilty of writing him off because he is from another world.  In all fairness, there is a degree of racism here due to our fear of "them".

 

Katherine is too young to get involved with anyone at her age especially leaving her family behind to go to another world.  Her family needs to blame Katherine entirely for this ordeal.  Anyone can put up bait from any world.  It does not mean you have to go catch it.  If you have become that independent and stupid to fly off to another world to visit a guy from myspace, then you obviously have not been raised properly.  Not showing up to the airport is a perfect example that this family has inherent issues.  I don't care how much frustration or other crap you are going through, you MUST be there for your daughter for life. 

 

From watching the show, it appeared that Dr. Phil honed in on the fact that Abdullah cursed at Katherine and also hit her.  I do not know a single person regardless of educational background who has not cursed at their loved one.  It happens due to frustration.  As long as it is not a continuous everyday sort of deal, cursing at your loved one once a year or so is absolutely positively acceptable.  Our divorce rate here is over 50% and others are living unhappily without proceeding with divorce.  Can you honestly tell me that every divorce or unhappy relationship calls it quits peacefully?  We are not all emotionless people.  We are allowed to curse as long as it is not habitual and is done out of frustration.  As long as Abdullah only cursed at Katherine once in a blue moon as he was desperately trying to explain, it is totally fine.  What isn't O.K. is to hit her regardless of how frustrated you are.  That's where you have to draw the line.

 

I honestly believe Abdullah out of his young love frustrations cursed at her and felt that he was being betrayed by Katherine because he felt that her family and people in the States unfairly dismissed him as a human being.  I sort of understood his frustration.  However, he has to understand that in a world as divided as ours, you can not expect to win over someone from another world and also their entire family. 

 

This world will always be divided, whether by country, by color, by education, etc.  Where you find one person accepting another for their differences, you will always find another who isn't so accepting.  It's the world we live in.  Deal with it.

 

 

 
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November 26, 2007, 3:38 pm PST

11/26 Katherine Returns

Quote From: gryphon2003

It seems to me that everyone's comments on the show and on the board have concentrated on nationality and citizenship. The important part of this story is that a young woman put herself in harm's way by getting involved with a person she met on the internet and that she knew nothing about against the concerns of her family.

The fact that he was not "an American boy" is somewhat irrelevant. I am sure there are just as many good and bad people in every culture, every nation. The fact that he lived in the Gaza strip does not make him a bad person. The fact that he (allegedly) was physically and verbally abusive made him a bad person ... and we have a lot of people that do those things in North America.

I agree with this whole-heartedly. While I understand that the show was meant to show the dangers of the online world and young people, and to help this young girl out of what was clearly a faulted and weak relationship, I can't help but feel overcome with sorrow by the wild round of applause that was given from the audience when it was said, "You met another boy, right? Like, an American boy?" And it seems this is the point that everyone is hung up on. Being a proud American and dating a non-American Muslim myself, it hurts me to see this reaction because for years I've struggled with people judging my relationship - which, though not perfect, is very healthy and happy - simply because I'm American, and he's not. Being Muslim is one thing in America today; being Muslim and of a different nationality is a battle I don't think most people understand.

 

There are physically and verbally abusive in America and the Middle East - and in England, Hungary, Poland, Japan, Thailand; every nation on this earth that has people has people with problems. But that's not to say that there aren't people who are good, for certainly every country with bad people also has people who really make the world a better place. Everyone is up in arms about who's a native and who's not in America today, and that just takes away from the process needed to build bridges to cultural understanding and acceptance. Maybe the next show should be on the importance of dialogue and acceptance of non-Americans!

 
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November 26, 2007, 3:39 pm PST

11/26 Katherine Returns

Quote From: nikki1985

This is a spoiled girl who cares about no one but herself and wonder of wonders she has a new boyfriend. Man that girl can sure move fast. Frankly I don't believe a word she says and her mother should be ashamed of herself for letting this brat take her away from her other children. They are a couple of screwed up people.  No sympathy from me either. I feel very sorry for the new boyfriend. He is in for a ride!!!!
 you are 100% right
 
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November 26, 2007, 3:40 pm PST

11/26 Katherine Returns

It is victory at last that Kathy returns home and broke up with Abdullah. I am happy for her and should be a lesson to many young people. I am also a muslim, not an arab but an african and where I was born and grew up there are many arabs and african muslims. I dont know if you aware but arab kids are brought up in a such a way that they have no respect to any person whatsoever the age who is not an arab. Their parents are also like that  though they normally hide it infront of other non-arab people so that you would think they are good people. So I am not surprised that the father showed his lack of respect by buying Kathy a ticket even when she was a minor. Actually it doesnt matter whether she is a minor or not we are also taught that as muslims you must ask permission from the girl´s parent in the hand of marriage, it is a must and normally marriage cannot take place if the girls parents disagree unless you go to court and it is ruled otherwise. but this Abdullah behaviour is so digusting and am afraid that that would be painted on all muslims. This has nothing to with the religion but with culture and traditions of a particular race. I hope Abdullah does not gain access to America because these people have rage and high motives of revenge. He may even send somebody to do the work for him.
 
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