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Topic : 11/26 Katherine Returns

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Created on : Tuesday, November 20, 2007, 06:03:36 pm
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Dr. Phil follows up with a family terrified for the safety of their loved one, Katherine, a young woman who flew to the Middle East to be with Abdullah, whom she met online. When she last spoke with Dr. Phil, Katherine promised that she would return to the United States within two days, but immediately after the show, she changed her mind. Find out what happened during two failed attempts to get Katherine home, and what finally got her on a plane. Then, Katherine’s mother, Shawn, and sister, Mary, say they were overwhelmingly relieved to have her back safe, so why didn’t they greet her at the airport? Katherine joins her family onstage and offers her tearful apologies. After hearing how her actions have affected her family and Dr. Phil’s staff, will Katherine go back to Abdullah, or will she have a change of heart? Join the discussion.

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November 26, 2007, 5:30 pm PST

11/26 Katherine Returns

I don't know if Katherine realizes it yet, but she has saved herself a lot of heartache.  Just the little we seen of Abdullah he seemed very controlling, disrespectful & arrogant.  I hope she matures & gains confidence so as not to get into another abusive relationship.  
 
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November 26, 2007, 5:36 pm PST

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First of all I don't understand what kind of a mother Katherine has that would let things get this far out of hand without knowing it. Kids don't have a right to privacy beyond what is reasonable and merited. This business about them they don't fell you trust them because you are always looking over their shoulders and adults who say I trust my child implicitly is insanity. Children do not know what to do with privacy or anything else when they come into this world. It is up to the parents to gently but firmly guide their children through the learning process of right and wrong, good and bad, innocence and ignorance. Her mother failed at this miserably.

 

Katherine has gotten way out of hand and needs to be realed back in even if it is against her will. She has no idea what she is in for if whe returns to that crazy backward country. I would buy a shack in the backwoods of Kentucky and take her there where I'd keep her tied up if that were the only way to keep her from going back over there. I would rather go to jail than see her go through hell.

 

Abdullah is a swine. He doesn't care about Katherine in the least. Nothing he said on the first show was truthful and everyone knew it. It was obvious that she wanted to disagree with him or cry out for help but was too afraid of the consequences once they were off camera. He should be arrested immediately if he comes to this country and tried for statutory rape for the sixteen year old abduction of Katerine when he first coerced into coming to him in Jordan. I think we should resort to cutting off non-essential body parts if he comes here, just like they do over there.

 

Parents: Please Do Look into your childs computers and see where they have been. That isn't wrong, it's responsible.

Kathrine was 18 when she finally got to be with abdullah not 16 therefore he could not be charged with stat rape- second, anyone that would say that they would tie their child up in a shack needs some mental help- your sick, and im sorry but children need to have room to grow and make there own mistakes wioth some restrants yes but if you think that the only way to help her is to hide her from the real world- your insane. i might not be as old as you are, im only 22, but i can say that with my parents trust, i have grown up doing things on my own and becoming a very responsible young women. im sure that kathrine's mother was just trying to let her daughter spread her wings and expirence her own life- 18 is an adult- weither youd like to believe it or not, so is able to make her own desicions. it to bad that this all had to get so far out of hand but who are you to judge her parenting? do you have children? do you have any rebelous people in your family? you cant everyone under lock and key- parents should be responsible and know what their children are up to yes but they still should let them make and learn from their mistakes!!!1
 
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November 26, 2007, 5:38 pm PST

Good job................but

I am so happy Katherine is ok............BUT, her Mom not coming to the airport.  I realize she was upset-but what the hell? Your kid is back home-REJOICE. For cryin' out loud, you wanted her back, but "whine" about what she did--I would think twice about coming home if there would be hell to pay. She was confused as it was.  Get over what Katherine did...........................then Katherine can move on also.  Some people DO NOT get there kids back nor a second chance.  To Katherine's Mom I say-"Shame on you!! She could have been dead or married him since she knew there would be hell to pay for coming home.  I have a daughter too.......I know how they think..............." Who gives a damn about show two..........................this should just end now. She made the mistake, is 18+ and I am more than sure have a happy future. Good luck Katherine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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November 26, 2007, 5:43 pm PST

Katherine has you all fooled.............

I believe Katherine has everyone fooled, including Dr. Phil.  This young lady is in desperate need for attention.  My God........she is off to Israel when she was under aged causing an international incident, now she finally is back in the USA after so much effort by Dr. Phil and his staff.  I hope Katherine, that I am wrong, but I believe that you will go running back again, if nothing else, just for the publicity.  And when it happens this 3rd time, I hope everyone FORGETS about you, and that you get what your have coming to you.  You might this next time be beaten, tied up, raped by numerous men for their entertainment (I am sure they will feel that you are a loose American woman who deserves what she gets.....), forced to live with this young man who will continue to bite you, beat you more often, etc.  Name calling will be the least of your problems.  As for the mother-- TAKE AWAY HER CELL PHONE, COMPUTER, ETC.  Get her into therapy!!!!!  Do not continue to walk on egg shells with this young woman.  Sometimes life is the best teacher.  I am so sorry to say this, but Katherine may end up dead with her quest for the world's attention.  I hope she proves me wrong.
 

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November 26, 2007, 5:46 pm PST

11/26 Katherine Returns

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In  Australian non- Australian citizens aren't allowed  to own a home outright above a certain price ($150,000 I believe it is), doesn't the US have similar laws if they do his credibility goes out the window instantly.
Don't we wish...in America anyone can own anything it seems.
 
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November 26, 2007, 5:46 pm PST

11/26 Katherine Returns

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 First of all they are saying that she was in mortal danger because she was. She was with someone who obviously had no respect for her or her family and when you are in love and want to marry someone you should have respect for that persons family as well. You could tell from the interview when she was still over there that she was afraid to speak up for herself. For example when Dr. Phil asked Abdullah if he was  verbally abusive and if Abdullah thought it was okay to speak to the person you love like that Abdullah said he was verbally abusive and that it was "normal".  You could tell from the look on Katherines face she wanted to say something but she stopped herself. Why do you think that is? Could it be because she was in danger of what might have happened if she did speak up? Just because you dont hear bombs going off when they are in the middle of an interview doesnt mean that  they arent in a war torn area. I dont know any parent that would feel comfortable with their child living in a place where they couldnt get to them and though they were in danger and that includes parts of the United States. not just Lebanon or the Gaza Strip.

As  far as your comment about there being more murders and violence in the United States than in isreal and Lebanon put together. I dont think it is very intelligent to make such broad statements if you dont have proof to back that up. The US is by no means a perfect safe place where nothing bad ever happens but lets not down play the dangers of an american citizen being in the situation that this girl was in. Maybe not from outside people she may have come in contact with on the Gaza Strip but more importantly by the person she was living with. I feel fairly certain that Abdullah was not only verbally abusive with Katherine and no one should be in an abusive relationship ANYWHERE...it doesnt matter what country they are in.

I feel bad for you that you actually feel sorry for Abdullah in this situation. I am not sure if you were even watching the same show that the rest of us were. You cant tell me that the guy I saw in both interviews was not smug, arrogant, and had a blatant disregard for anyone but himself. He was disrespectful and rude. He didn't get the chane to stand up for himself you say? He had two perfectly good oppurtunites to defend himself and smooth things over with her family and all he did was prove they had every right to be concerned about Katherine being with him. There was not one thing that he said in either interview that made any sense or that proved that he has Katherines best interest at heart. He bit her, kicked her, and hit her with a belt. He called her horrible names and talked to her worse than I would talk to my worst enemy all the while claiming that he loved her. You feel sorry for him? You are more confused and misguided than he is, I'm afraid.

I dont know what kind of relationships you have been in but let me tell you 90% of all relationships are not full of verbal & physical abuse. Again it is not very intelligent to make statements like that without the proof that backs it up. Even if that were true does that make it ok? At the fear of being cliche...if 90% of people jumped off a bridge would you? Just because physical and verbal abuse happens more than it should doesnt mean it should become appected among society. If it were your mother, sister or daughter in that situation I doubt you would feel the same. I have been in a commited relationship for 4 years and he has NEVER pushed me or been physically abusive in any manner. He called me a name ONE time and it has never happened again because he quickly realized that is not the way you talk to people you love and respect. Not only does Abdullah call her names on a regular basis but actually defended doing so by saying it is normal.
 i believe you are iting with anger and disbelive tht somebody cold side with such a monster yo don't knw how other peple live there are huge cultural differances and that is the real problem i wonder if it were a black or latino would ths be such a huge issue or the guy was an american wold thisbe on drphil show
 
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November 26, 2007, 5:49 pm PST

This could have all been prevented

At 16 Katherine's mom could have put her foot down and taken the computer and cell phone away. Is that so hard? Abdulah is from a different culture where women are treated differently and that is the norm. He is a very confused young man right now, and he does not understand just as we do not understand the way he has been brought up. I believe it is the clashing of two cultures.

Dr. Phil is to be commended in bringing Katherine home, but it ends there. I think he handled the break up wrong, and succeeded in  embarrassing both Katherine and Abdulah in front of the American audience. Showmanship and ratings, that is what it was all about. I think Dr. Phil is getting to be a new Jerry Springer.  I hate that, as basically I think that Dr. Phil started out so good in helping people and now it is getting to be real trash t.v.  Katherine, I hope you are sincere and will not be back over there within the year and disappoint your family and friends who truly love you. You seem to be a  very self-serving young lady without direction.

 
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November 26, 2007, 5:51 pm PST

Some of us have to learn firsthand

I'm sure this was an adventure for her.  It was fun for awhile.  Mom, you have to see how she needed this.  I'm happy she learned from this at such a young age...it will help her make better choices now.  Not all Arabs are bad to women.  In fact, I dated several while I worked in Saudi.  There is a lure with Arab men....they want to take care of you in an old fashioned way.  For those of us who are fed up wih American men,  it is refreshing on some level.  What you find out is that it is fun to learn about other cultures.  Just don't expect it to last.  

 

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November 26, 2007, 5:53 pm PST

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Kathrine was 18 when she finally got to be with abdullah not 16 therefore he could not be charged with stat rape- second, anyone that would say that they would tie their child up in a shack needs some mental help- your sick, and im sorry but children need to have room to grow and make there own mistakes wioth some restrants yes but if you think that the only way to help her is to hide her from the real world- your insane. i might not be as old as you are, im only 22, but i can say that with my parents trust, i have grown up doing things on my own and becoming a very responsible young women. im sure that kathrine's mother was just trying to let her daughter spread her wings and expirence her own life- 18 is an adult- weither youd like to believe it or not, so is able to make her own desicions. it to bad that this all had to get so far out of hand but who are you to judge her parenting? do you have children? do you have any rebelous people in your family? you cant everyone under lock and key- parents should be responsible and know what their children are up to yes but they still should let them make and learn from their mistakes!!!1

I am curious as to where Katherine's father was?  Girls need a male role model in their lives.  Sometimes fathers are weak though and don't do what needs to be done.  It seems as if everyone is blaming Abdullah.  I find him immature and disrespectful however she also had free choice.  His parents were wrong to send her over there when she was 16 but it is also a different culture there, not the same as ours. 

She was 18 when she went the 2nd time.  Her mother didn't have control at that point.  I haven't raised girls of my own, but I have one, and also raised three boys.  Our computer was in the family room...for a reason.  I can see what they are doing.  I also can track their history and have managed to raise responsible boys that way.

If Katherine were my daughter serious limits would have been set the FIRST time she left.  But, it is easier to have an opinion when you are not in it.  I thought that I heard mother say that  she has a disabled 14 year old son, along with a 3 year old.  We don't know the full story of their lives.  These boards are pretty judgemental.  It sounds as if mom has a full plate.  I am just thankful I didn't have to walk in her shoes.

 
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November 26, 2007, 5:56 pm PST

11/26 Katherine Returns

I just wouldl ike to clarify few points

 

first,  i have no clue why this is truning into a religious isssue, but just for everyone's info, what happened between abdullah and catherine is soemthing that could've happened between any couple regardless of their cultural background

 

second, on the show, dr phil kept saying catherine needs to come back for her safety because of the war happening in palestine, well i dont get it, why is it a big deal when an american person is there while millions of plaestinians are there risking thier lives everyday? (without a choice)

 

third, if the girl wasnt stubborn enough to leave her family to go overseas to meet someone she doesnt know, non of this wul've happened ( though she did say she had feelings it wasnt gonna work out), and though she's only 18 she should know better, i mean am 16 and am much smater to do somthing so stupid

 

and last but not least, if her family is so worried about her and blaming abdulalah and his family for taking her daughter(though it was her choice) why werent they waiting for her at the airport?? that shows how much they care eh?

 
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