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Topic : 06/24 Banned from the Wedding, Part 2

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(Original Air Date: 11/27/07) Dr. Phil follows up with a family torn apart when the mother was banned from her only son’s wedding. The bride-to-be, Michelle, said she’d rather burn in hell than let her future mother-in-law, Jane, attend the ceremony, and her fiancé, Jay, stood behind her decision. This sent the entire family into a tailspin, with the best man resigning, the aunt disowning the groom and the wedding planner on alert to call 911 if Jane showed up. The big day has come and gone, and everyone returns to update Dr. Phil with the latest. Were they able to bury the hatchet before the wedding? Jane has gone through a rollercoaster of emotions, and Dr. Phil finds out what has her so mad at him, she even wrote him a scathing letter one week after her appearance. Has Jane done a 180-degree turn since? Has Michelle stopped her “campaign of hate mail” as Jane called it and opened up her arms to her husband’s mother? Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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November 28, 2007, 6:15 pm PST

MICHELLE & JAY

 Michelle and Jay remind me of a couple of shallow social climbers that view each other as arm candy. I'll bet they look great when they dress up & go out. YUK !!!!!!!
 
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November 28, 2007, 6:16 pm PST

First the Mom, then the rest

Wonder how long it will be before that b*&%$ starts isolating the son from everyone else?  Shouldn't be long.  Of course, he's so gutless, I'm sure it will be just fine with him.  This marriage is the perfect example for why the divorce rate is so high.
 
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November 28, 2007, 6:18 pm PST

11/27 Banned from the Wedding, Part 2

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Today is the first time I have ever written on one of these message boards. I posted a message earlier and now after reading more there something else I want to say.

 

Dr. Phil seem to take the position that Michelle is right and won the fight. Jane is in the wrong in his opinion. (which i don't think is right on this one) Usually I think the Dr. is right on every time but he missed  the boat on this one. JANE DIFINATLEY CAME BACK THE HERO IN THIS SHOW AND MICHELLE SHOWED US HER SAME BRAT COLORS

 

Does he really think that Jane is that powerful of a person. That she could talk her whole family into believing that Michelle is evil if it wasn't true. No disrespect meant for Jane, but she does not come off to me like the kind of person who could sell and igloo to an Eskimo. Maybe on the first show she might have appeared to have a lot of anger and been able to bully one into buying one but, not a lot of persuasion.

 

I really feel for Jane she has been taking the Dr.'s advice and trying to improve herself. Shame on Phil for not giving her more credit. I think that the Dr. should have come down on Jay and Michelle harder. What happened to all the talk of how important family (grandparents, parents) are.

 

How childish of Michelle to cut up the flowers. What a Grown Up thing to do.

 

Michelle was sooooooooo smug through both shows. Evil and Anger just streamed out of everything she said and did. Why didn't the Dr. say more about that!!! Instead of focusing on what Jane did or didn't say in the past. Jane admitted to saying dumb things and acting stupid. How about Michelle and Jay. What about all the things they said and did to Jane. WHO WOULD BAN THEIR MOTHER FROM THEIR OWN WEDDING. ESPECIALLY AN ONLY CHILD. THINK OF WHAT U TOOK FROM HER. Why wasn't anything said to them about the things that they have said and done wrong. Jane didn't come to the show with a list of things she wanted them to say or do before she thought of working on a relationship with them!!

 

No need to worry Jane I'm sure this marriage won't last long and maybe your son will find a nice girl and you can go to that wedding. Dr. wasn't supporting you, the vast majority of America is though. Sorry Phil u really missed the boat on this one.

You are so right on all points!!

I also wish Phil had focused more on what the 2 kids had done!  I mean cutting up the flowers???  What a drama queen!!
 
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November 28, 2007, 6:22 pm PST

Do it!!! Make it happen!!

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So she wrote a scathing letter to Dr. P, he isn't God, it isn't blasphemy!  I agree with much of what Jane said about the show and Dr. Phil.  He was too hard on Jane and Jane is the only one doing work here.

 

Yes the kids are REACTING, but that is what Jane has been doing too.  They should all excuse each other's reactions (aside from barring family from the wedding that is a new low). And Jane tried to stop the cycle for the good of everyone involved, but Michelle is not ready to accept the apology.  I think if Michelle showed some grace here you'd see Jay fall in line right behind her.  He is afraid to feel anything other than what his outrageous wife tells him he should be feeling.

 

I'm all for standing up for your wife or fiance', but you do it with class and there is nothing classy about these two kids (and I'm talking about their behavior not the tatoos and piercings). 

 

Jays posture and mannerisms on the stage (can't see his face) do not suggest a happy person.  He looks reduced.  Maybe that is just me seeing an emasculated man there with his controlling puppeteer. 

 

His wife should be looking out for her husband's best interest and that would be to maintain a relationship with his mother and to have his family at the wedding. 

 

Respect is required for marriage and these two do not know what respect is.  A good book is Love and Respect ( a focus on the family book).  It's about Love and Respect and how the man needs respect and the woman needs love.  Really a great read and I suggest it for the couple or any couple.

 

I have family members like this who won't patch things up because they want to keep arguing about the day it all blew up.  I am the only person in my family who really still talks to everyone.  It stinks.  I'd like to tell them all to go to hell.  Their self-centered attitudes burden the rest of the family, which is basically me and my kids and my husband.  All this is is selfishness. I haven't told my family to go to hell, because I enjoy seeing them even though from time to time it is a test.  I am glad my kids know and love their great grandparents, their grandparents and their uncle and cousins.  They don't really know my brother's wife b/c she is always off doing her own thing (which is screwing around on my brother).

 

I have been very disappointed in my family, my mom, my grandparents, my aunt, my brother and his sorry excuse of a wife (they are divorcing-halleluja) for all the drama over the years.  My kids' birthdays, every holiday babtisms, etc. are all a friggin headache because of these disfunctional family members.  I feel like telling my family members we will have one b-day cake per child a year at my house at this time and show up or not.  We are not going to go from one grandparent's house to the others then to the great grandparents' and then to the kid party.   Every holiday is like this.  Because they don't talk we see them all separately because we want to see them all.  I feel like spending all holidays in a remote location away from WWIII. I'd like to lock my family in the Dr. Phil House and throw away the key. 

 

Family relationships are the hardest b/c we are ourselves around family.  We take off the mask and show our bad side once in a while.  While you shouldn't treat your family awful, there should be some safety at home and some forgiveness. 

 

 

I read your story about what happens within your family..........so DO IT!!!   Quit running from house to house and allowing the family problems to affect you and your family.  Plan your event and tell them all to come or not........."it's" at this place and time..... be there or not.

 

Life is too short to spend YOUR time accomodating all these difficult people.  Maybe you will be the tie that binds them all.  If nothing else.........you will learn WHO is the bigger person and who is worthy of your time and trouble.  The rest can make the effort on their own time, saving you the trouble.

 

With respect to the MIL......so far............she is the one who refuses to accept responsibility for what she has done.  Until she does.........I still say.......she has to EARN respect.  Lying is NOT respectful. She is NOT acting respecfully and her age is not excuse to DEMAND respect.  HER ACTIONS will EARN respect.  Until she figures that out............she will be one lonely old woman.

 
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November 28, 2007, 6:26 pm PST

11/27 Banned from the Wedding, Part 2

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I am a mother in law and I really felt very sorry for the mother of the son. The girl that he was marrying really was very "mean spirited!" I don't know how things could be fixed unless the bride would learn how to respect other peoples feelings! When the children come along, it will only get worse because they have started out on the wrong path. The mother always holds the key to the gate.
When my husband and I got married, I kept stressing over and over that it was not just a joining of us it was a joining of two familes and we needed to view it that way.  I have a very strong, and very controling mother and we have butted heads since I have reached Adulthood--like the MIL on the show.  Also, like the MIL on the show my mother has been known to use vocabulary unbecoming of her, BUT my mother has always been the first one on my side, has been my strongest supporter, and would go to war for any of her children.  I will forgive her for her faults, because her pluses are so awesome.  Unfortunately Michelle and her short sighted husband wil not find out the blessings they could receive from a strong willed, stubborn woman if they don't just forgive and forget.  Life is so short and family is the one thing that will always be there for you.  Now that my mother is 67, I am so grateful that she is healthy and active and will, God willing. be around to make me crazy for another 20 years.  Those two just need to grow up, face some real problems in their life and then realize how lucky they are.
 

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November 28, 2007, 6:34 pm PST

11/27 Banned from the Wedding, Part 2

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Wonder how long it will be before that b*&%$ starts isolating the son from everyone else?  Shouldn't be long.  Of course, he's so gutless, I'm sure it will be just fine with him.  This marriage is the perfect example for why the divorce rate is so high.
 She's already isolated him from his Uncle and Cousin. How pathetic !!!!!
 
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November 28, 2007, 6:39 pm PST

WHERE IS THE MAN OF THE HOUSE?

My wife and I were waiting for the groom to stand up and speak up but the few times he did Michelle overroad him with the terrible no-conversational tool "we." He needed to let Michelle know that she was the first in his life but he was not going to abandon his mother who would need to be there in years to come when children come along, etc. The groom it seems had only chosen someone who made the decisions as apparently his mother had done for many years and may have been wanting to hold on to son for a number of unhealthy reasons. As Dr Phil said, "This is all going to come around to bite her in the caboose in years to come." (my paraphase) But the day will come when the son will resent allowing her to be such a brat even if his mother needed some corrections as well. As stated above the fact that the entire family could see what an unroyal road she was leading her groom down speaks volumes. I could not get over how Michelle was wanting an apology from her mother in law but never once heard her tell how sorry she had been for all of the unkind childess behavior she had exhibited. Even though Dr Phil spoke directly to the groom neither my wife nor I though he came down hard enough on his responsibility in the entire matter. Hopefully they will all get some counseling including some of the relatives who were like a flock of buzzards looking for the road meat. Hopefully Dr Phil will bring them back in a year or so if each has been willing to make the kind of progress I think I saw in the mother.
 
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November 28, 2007, 6:41 pm PST

Where is this "man's" backbone?

I have to admit that this is the 1st time that I have posted a message. After watching last night's show I was angry about how the son is treating his mother. I agree that the MIL, DIL, & son  are all at fault for one reason or another. However, there are times that we must "suck it up" & apologize for our wrong doings & move on. I think that banning your mother from your own wedding is a terrible decision, no matter what. He will live to regret that decision one day! Regardless of how the MIL feels about her DIL @ this particular time is pointless. The bottom line is that they (MIL & DIL) don't HAVE to like each other & the son can step up & say to both of them that he does have love for each of them as an individual =  a mother & a wife as Dr. Phil stated earlier in the show. Shame on her son for treating his mother this way!! One day she won't be around & he'll be sorry.  I wish the MIL the best of luck w/ her therapy (bravo) & kudos for making the initial effort. I hope that her son will grow a backbone & stand up to his wife so that they can all be a family after thier much needed therapy session.

 
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November 28, 2007, 7:01 pm PST

11/27 Banned from the Wedding, Part 2

I can see why the mother in law feels like she does about her son's wife.  What a spoiled little brat!!  It won't be long before she has everyone but her out of her husband's life.  If I were the mother to that son, I'd tell him to stay away from ME with that disrespectful wife of his.  It won't be long before he comes running home to mommy with his tail between his legs.  She's going to take him to the cleaners, and he has it coming!!

 
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November 28, 2007, 7:08 pm PST

Agree with Michelle?

I am sure that Jane was not kind to Michelle, no matter what provoked it she should have not done it and shown Michelle what having class is all about.  Unfortunately, the mother did not take that road but responded to Michelle in kind.  I am sure the MIL did not think the consequences of her actions would be so severe. 

 

While I understand that whatever went down upset Jay and Michelle I think their response is not appropriate.  Jane did not abuse a child here, she did not use drugs, she did not streak in public.  She got upset and passionate as did Michelle in all of this. 

 

Jane doesn't have the arsenal that Michelle has (wedding, future kids) to threaten Michelle and Jay with.  It was unfair to keep her from the wedding.  I think that was an inappropriate and unfair reaction to their disagreement.  I think what Jay and Michelle did was going for the jugular.  You can't take back what you say but you can apologize for it,  however, you simply cannot go back in time.  Jane was willing to forgive the assault on her from Jay and Michelle, but Michelle and Jay did not respond in kind.

 

A man and wife can certainly draw boundaries without banning a parent from the wedding and without stopping correspondence, cutting up flowers, threatening restraining orders, etc.  How does that help Jay and Michelle?  It does not.  It is designed only to hurt Jane.

 

Jane can't put things right with her DIL or her son until they are no longer intent on hurting her and it was clear from the show that Michelle and Jay still want to punish Jane for all the things she has said.

 

 

 
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