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Topic : 06/24 Banned from the Wedding, Part 2

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Created on : Tuesday, November 20, 2007, 06:04:42 pm
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(Original Air Date: 11/27/07) Dr. Phil follows up with a family torn apart when the mother was banned from her only son’s wedding. The bride-to-be, Michelle, said she’d rather burn in hell than let her future mother-in-law, Jane, attend the ceremony, and her fiancé, Jay, stood behind her decision. This sent the entire family into a tailspin, with the best man resigning, the aunt disowning the groom and the wedding planner on alert to call 911 if Jane showed up. The big day has come and gone, and everyone returns to update Dr. Phil with the latest. Were they able to bury the hatchet before the wedding? Jane has gone through a rollercoaster of emotions, and Dr. Phil finds out what has her so mad at him, she even wrote him a scathing letter one week after her appearance. Has Jane done a 180-degree turn since? Has Michelle stopped her “campaign of hate mail” as Jane called it and opened up her arms to her husband’s mother? Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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December 4, 2007, 7:59 pm PST

It's a circle

Dr. Phil just said it "What goes around comes around.  Michelle will end up getting her just rewards in the end.  Someday her husband will turn on her.  I hope it is before they have children because someday she will be the 'mother' and 'mother-in-law' and yes, what goes around comes around.
 
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December 4, 2007, 8:27 pm PST

The New Bride

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Here, here The mother-in-law is the main problem ! Quit dmping on he bride ! She is just responding tothe M-I-L. 

Hello, I just want to respond to the show about the Bride Banned her mother in law from her son wedding..I think that is ot right out how things took place on D. Phil show the bride did all te talking and the groom did nothing or barley said anything..He let his bride do all the talking and DISRESPECT his only mother..

 

The Man need to talk to his new bride and let her know this i the only mother  i  have and need to get alone with her..Same thing goes for the mother get alone with the bride 

 
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December 4, 2007, 9:47 pm PST

To the Son

The son needed to take control before it ever got out of hand. This mother needed to be told by him that he loves her very much and will always be her life but this was his life to do with as he seen fit, right or wrong. She raised him to make choices and she may not agree with some of them but she needs to support them. Next ,if she couldn't say something nice about his future bride he"d perfer not to say anything at all. I did this with my mother many yrs ago which made for many happy yrs for all of us. Your mother needs your calls, visits,etc.. Don't refuse her that. Neither should talk of the past mistakes. Concentrate on today only. When you no longer have her you'll be glad you did. The wife can come into the picture later as she needs to let you and your mother reunite first with the ground rules. The wife needs to comply with the same rules. Make today the first day of your life together and others will follow.

 
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December 4, 2007, 9:50 pm PST

She doesn't get it, at all

I am not under the impression that the DIL and the son are perfect. But as the mother I would expect more out of the MIL. She is supposed to be the wise elder in the family and lead by example. Her son didn't change in to somebody else overnight. If the DIL is such a horrible woman and liar, how would this be acceptable to him; not only now but for the rest of his life. After seeing how the MIL's sister and mother act, even towards Dr. Phil I would think twice about marrying into this family. They seem like they would only be ok if you did just what they deemed appropriate and said in the correct tone.

The bottom line is that the DIL is the gatekeeper to future grandchildren and if the MIL wants to see them then just try to get along. Her son is supposed to move away from his MIL's influence and become one with his wife. Additionally, if the son is that horrible leave him to it. This is his choice. Deal with it.

Even looking at the mood chart that Dr. Phil had up in the beginning of the show exemplifies how unstable her moods are. Can you imagine if she had a history hurt feelings, you were related to her and she had your phone number.

Family is important and grandparents and in-laws can be a great joy and a great help in a marriage and raising a family. The children (whether adult or not) will not be the most mature and will lack life experience that family can help them through. The quality of the relationship relies on compromise and keeping your mouth shut when you know that it will only upset the other party, doesn't serve a purpose and doesn't have a chance of being productive. If that can't be done then interaction should be minimized.
 
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December 4, 2007, 10:25 pm PST

Banned? Of course

Goodness Gracious.  Michelle has every right to be upset about what her mother in law has done to her.  Dr. Phil gives good advice, however, my only issue is with his take on graciousness.  While it is expected from Michelle, it was not expected from Jane.  It never was.  Ok, he did in a way call Jane out on her misgivings and misdeeds, however, if he was going to lecture someone on how gracious they are being - where was this speech and condesention for the person who has had a much longer time to be an adult and understand what graciousness actually is and what it means to live within it.  He allowed Jane to sit there and point her finger and say nasty things.  While I would not be suprised at someone of a younger age such as Michelle to say or do these types of things, which by the way, she had every right to defend herself against Jane's attacks.  I would certainly not expect to see Dr. Phil allow that type of behavior, and not even call Jane out on that type of behavior, seeing as she has had soo much more life experience than Michelle has.  Given the nature of graciousness and the definition thereof, I would assume that that ship should sail in both directions.  Maybe it did behind the scenes, but it was not evident during this show.  At the beginning of the show her tongue was as sharp as ever, then as soon as she spoke about her therapy, her tune changed.  She almost looked pitiful, at the very least sorrowful.  I cannot decide whether that was a true sentiment or not.  Clearly her therapist was not going to appear on the show and state that Jane is still as she behaved on the last show.  She would have to state that progress was being made, and hey, with that soulful look from Jane, I almost believed it.  That's the problem with television, we think we know people by what we see on snippits of TV, but Michelle and her husband will be the ones having to live that life.  They will be the ones who truly know if Jane has changed.  I hope for their sake, and the sake of their children, whenever they come to be - that Jane's transformation is the truth.  My comfort is that Michelle's mother seems to be pretty darn clear that there may be a man hiding behind the mask - so to speak, and she's withholding judgement and not seemingly going with the don't worry be happy attitude that Dr. Phil is spouting on this one.  Just my 2 cents.

 
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December 4, 2007, 10:40 pm PST

Hear, Hear

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The MIL wrote a scathing letter to DR. PHIL?????  HA!  I didn't buy her "poor me" attitude then and her behavior on the show sure proved she was the problem!!   No wonder the son and DIL don't want her to be around.  Further proof that this lady needs to get some serious therapy. 

 

To the son.............GOOD FOR YOU FOR STANDING UP TO YOUR MOTHER!!!   That takes a lot of courage!!  I wish you a long and happy marriage!

 

btw......If that woman were my kids grandmother..........I wouldn't let her near them!!!!

Sometimes you have to stay away to protect yourself and your children.

Until you have been involved with a venomous relationship, the rhetoric and 'being a hero' in a relationship  is only so much talk.

I am a daughter in law who has never even met my inlaws, but it did not stop them from trying to control not only my husband, but myself and the wedding, plus the other relatives that they forbade from attending.

When we made it abundantly clear we would welcome them as guests at the wedding, but not with the 'my way or the highway' attitude they felt they were entitled to, they did not show up.  We still had police on alert,  in case they showed up to cause trouble- made a stressful day unbearable.......11 years later they and my husband's siblings still have nothing to do with us or our child, because we will not consent to their control.

So the lady that is pining for family, you are welcome to them- unfortunately you might find out it is not the idealistic dream you hope for.

 
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December 5, 2007, 12:20 pm PST

Mother In Law Not Perfect but Neither is the Bride

I watched both shows and while the mother-in-law has clear anger issues, I foresee down the line that this blushing bride will sabotage her own marriage.  It may not be today or tomorrow but I do suspect that in the end, she will mess up the lives of any children she has and that her marriage will fail.

 

I agree with the mother-in-law that this lady is inflexible, a know it all, a troubled young woman, and I do believe that when Jane is not around to take the harangues that guess who will be next in line. 

 

Everytime that groom, in the future, looks at the wedding pictures, he will have a bad taste in his mouth because his mother was banned.

 

To be fair, I think either they both should have come or her mother should have been "dis-invited" as well.

 

The blushing bride is riding a high horse now but I don't see that it will last.  I think she will be in for a shock one of these days.  Guess what.  The world is not all about her.  Grow up.

 
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December 5, 2007, 12:25 pm PST

Think before you act

 This is for all you new brides out there.Think before you go excluding your MIL from you.Because someday you will be a mother and if you had a son how would you wont your new DIL treating you.So what you diish out will come back to bite you in the butt.Jane has one son and should be treated with respect.I don't care if Michelle likes any thing Jane does or doesnot do.One thing Jane did do that she likes is her son .So Jane did do some things right.Michelle has a lot of growing up to do.She acts like 2 years old.Most Mil just wont to know that there son will always love them.Not all of us MIL are bad me and my DIL do not agree on a lot of things .But she knows I would give my life to save hers and my SIL know I would do the same for them.Look when you get married the whole family has to work at it not just the bride and groom .But every body.
 
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December 5, 2007, 9:31 pm PST

11/27 Banned from the Wedding, Part 2

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 This is for all you new brides out there.Think before you go excluding your MIL from you.Because someday you will be a mother and if you had a son how would you wont your new DIL treating you.So what you diish out will come back to bite you in the butt.Jane has one son and should be treated with respect.I don't care if Michelle likes any thing Jane does or doesnot do.One thing Jane did do that she likes is her son .So Jane did do some things right.Michelle has a lot of growing up to do.She acts like 2 years old.Most Mil just wont to know that there son will always love them.Not all of us MIL are bad me and my DIL do not agree on a lot of things .But she knows I would give my life to save hers and my SIL know I would do the same for them.Look when you get married the whole family has to work at it not just the bride and groom .But every body.
What you have said is true.  Everyone has to find their boundaries and limits, while they also figure out how to get along with each other.

Every family has to come to terms with boundaries and limits.  Most do so without legal intervention or ultimatiums. 

Michelle, and her mother, have taken a very bad road.
That bad road likely began which Michelle was a child.  Either that, or the theory of the "bad seed" is true.

Michelle is devoid of feelings, but is extremely manipulative.  New husband in/mother-in-law-out = win for her.

We might even be watching the emergence of a black widow.  Once she is done with him, time to move on to the next conquest.

Jane sees this.  So do I.  I've seen it before and I'll see it again.  One just hopes for a long run positive outcome, once it become apparent that the short term trials will continue.  No one can really control anyone else unless they allow it once they are an adult, or stuck by legal or money issues, or an addiction to a person or substance.

Jay wants to allow Michelle to control him.  Whatever it is that she gives him, makes him willing to throw away his relationship with his mother. 

What he does not see is that Michelle is using the "get under your skin" method of bringing Jay into a dependent mode in their relationship.  She will separate him from his mother, and family, and friends.  Then she will reward him with praise or sex or children or whatever he has indicated he would really like in his life. 

Jay thinks she is helping him get free, while he is just digging a new hole that he can't climb out of. 

Jane will still have to let go and just watch.  Her son is an adult.  He will have to learn from his own bad choices. 

The husband of Michelle, is a goner.  He caved to his very manipulative new wife.  No amount of hiding behind a fuzzy screen will change what he has done.  He made his choice and will have to learn to deal with the consequences. 

Husbands and wives can choose to limit contact with other family.  They can modify their dependence on them.  Doing a major tell all with national attention, calling in guards for a wedding, etc. pretty well cuts it down to two choices.  Be with me or your mother.  Once Jay went with the new wife, he gave up his choices. 

Michelle is likely to end up in prison some day.  She creates so much drama around her while she acts like an ice queen. She is only in her 20's.  How will that work out down the road?   How much drama can she create once Jane is out of the picture?  Will it be Munchasusen by Proxy when they have children, so she can make the kids sick, then run around being their savior?  Just to make sure everyone knows how good she is, and how well she responds to problems, will she create problems?

How will Michelle keep up the savior role?  Time will tell.

How much attention and control does Michelle need to feel Okay?  Time will tell.

Once again to Jane...just back off.  If you do not, you are just feeding Michelle.  I've been through a similar situation.  Backing off, living your life, works wonders.  What you taught will come back to you when it really counts.  Refuse to be part of the conflict.  No matter how much it hurts.  The more you refuse to be a part of it, the less it will hurt long run.  Living your own life is an active, positive response.  Trust me on that.  Please.  Don't respond to things that are meant to get under your skin.  Do not allow other's manipulations to be your undoing.  Once you quit allowing that, they lose their power. 

 
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December 5, 2007, 9:40 pm PST

11/27 Banned from the Wedding, Part 2

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I watched both shows and while the mother-in-law has clear anger issues, I foresee down the line that this blushing bride will sabotage her own marriage.  It may not be today or tomorrow but I do suspect that in the end, she will mess up the lives of any children she has and that her marriage will fail.

 

I agree with the mother-in-law that this lady is inflexible, a know it all, a troubled young woman, and I do believe that when Jane is not around to take the harangues that guess who will be next in line. 

 

Everytime that groom, in the future, looks at the wedding pictures, he will have a bad taste in his mouth because his mother was banned.

 

To be fair, I think either they both should have come or her mother should have been "dis-invited" as well.

 

The blushing bride is riding a high horse now but I don't see that it will last.  I think she will be in for a shock one of these days.  Guess what.  The world is not all about her.  Grow up.

 I agree with every word you said except that Michelle is a "blushing bride".  I don't think she has the capacity to blush.  She does have the capacity to be extremely angry, and manipulative without ever blushing, or even turning red with anger.  She is so cold that I would not want to touch her. 

Something in that coldness attracks Jay.  He will really have to work this out once he realizes what he has gotten into.

I cannot help but think about the Stacy Peterson case.  How Drew convinced a 17 year old girl to date him, do spiteful things with him to his wife at the time, and how that must have chilled Stacy in the time before Drew no doubt murdered her also.  Stacy was a child who helped Drew victimize his wife, and later became the victimized wife. 

Drew is a suspect at this time.

Stacy has not been found.

Yet that old saying of Dr. Phil's, what goes around, comes around, seems to be true.
 
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