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Topic : 06/04 Too Big, Too Young

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(Original Air Date: 11/29/07) Obesity is a huge problem for adults in this country, but now it’s becoming an epidemic among young children. Barbra says her 3-year-old daughter started gaining weight at six months old and now weighs 80 pounds. Barbra and her aunt, Dana, are baffled by what they believe is a medical mystery because they say the little girl doesn't overeat. Dr. Phil brings in two medical experts to get to the bottom of this issue. Is Barbra contributing to her child's weight gain? Then, Tammy says she can’t change her family's eating habits. She's obese, her 11-year-old is 175 pounds and her 9-year-old is 136 pounds. Her sister, Debbie, says the boys portion sizes are too big and the family is just lazy. Can Dr. Phil get Tammy to stick to a nutrition plan? You won’t believe the surprise he has for her! Plus, Jessica says her mom, Angie, is blind to the health issues of her 351-pound sister, Jaleisa, who is only 15. Jessica says her mom never buys healthy food, and she fears her mom has Munchausen’s syndrome. Angie says she can’t monitor Jaleisa’s eating habits all day. Can Angie turn this situation around and save her daughter’s life, or is it too late? Talk about the show here.

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November 29, 2007, 9:14 pm PST

It'll take at least a month to begin

      On TLC, The Learning Channel, which is part of Discovery, there was a program on Mondays called "Honey, we are killing the Kids."   On this program, a family began a program with a dietitian and stressing healthy foods. The first week consisted of the family tossing out all the stuff in the freezer and pantry.  One poor father had to toss out his beloved Fry Daddy, deep fat fryer.  One embarrassed  mom took cooking classes.  There was one mother who had to ask for help in the fruits and vegetables section in the grocery store.  (She didn't know a turnip from a cauliflower)

    My favorite family had a son that couldn't make his 7th grade football team.  Instead of staying at home after school, he had his own trainer and he started boxing.  The football coach was pleased because he said Anthony would benefit from year round conditioning--which boxing stresses.  The whole family had to exorcise, one couple had to take up ball room dancing.  The list of options goes on and on.  

     The third week often featured such things as stopping smoking and limiting television viewing. 

 By then, the sugar withdrawal had ended and there was a lot less whining.  Everyone in the family felt much better and had lost weight.  

 

 

 

 
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November 29, 2007, 9:19 pm PST

HELP Jaleisa's mother!!

Jaleisa's mother, Angie, is severely depressed!  It was so sad to watch her suffer through the end of the show.  She herself is obese and cried all the way through the end of the credits.  She doesn’t want to hurt her daughter, her only companion.  The threat of Child Protective Services taking Jaleisa away broke Angie’s heart.  Was that an attempt to motivate via tough love?  The availability of junk food to Jaleisa is not the problem.  Any child growing up in the home of a depressed single parent is going to walk away with some damage to themselves.  Most often the outcome is some emotional trauma, in this case the result is of a physical nature and able to be viewed.  To fix this problem Angie needs help.  Has she been abandoned and left by everyone in her life that she loved?  Is her depression what fuels her need to keep Jaleisa close to her?  Even her eldest daughter is now ridiculing her and has left her (even if it is with good intent).  How about some parenting classes and counseling for mom??  It’s so sad that such ill equipped people can choose to have children and pass such danger on to offspring, but that is the reality of the world.  When you follow a problem child home you find a problem parent.  To fix a problem you have to find the source.  With this kind of depression looming in the home- go ahead, take away all the food… likelihood is that you will still see a mother and a daughter who are sad and still hurting.

 
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November 29, 2007, 9:49 pm PST

Beans and rice

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beans and rice are cheap and make a complete protein invest in a pressure cooker and dinner is on the table in no time.  It is cheap to feed kids good nutritional meals. It is the lazy parents who won't give up bad habits to do it they would rather stuff their kids faces with junk food.  Obesity is everywhere   not just in the  poor that's a stereotype.  Vegetables are great snacks for kids and cheaper then a candy bar,
Beans and rice ARE cheap....they're also full of starch, so not really a good plan all the time, particularly for the young lady with Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome.  And - it is much more expensive to eat healthy than buy junk food. Its completely worth it - its your health you're talking about! I choose to pay the extra for the healthy foods, fresh fruits and veggies, hormone/preservative free meats, etc. b/c it can seriously affect your health for the worse. But be honest at least - eating healthy costs more!  Vegetables and fruits do make great snacks - but I can get a candy bar for 50 cents, cheaper than many fruits.
 
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November 29, 2007, 9:49 pm PST

big fat babies

I am a registered nurse with many years of experience with families and their children. I have seen pediatric patients come into the hospital who are morbidly obese and whose mothers reject the balanced meal provided by our dietitian in favor of McDonald's Big Mac meals and other fast food chain meal selections that are unbelievably fattening. They state that the child "won't eat anything else", or that "they are hungry". (this sometimes happens even when the child is scheduled for tests and is ordered to be "NPO" or nothing by mouth.)  In these cases the parent is always overweight and usually non-compliant with the doctors orders.

 

I have to say this idea of children not eating anything else but certain foods is preposterous! My own daughter is 27 and her favorite food at 2 and 3 was broccoli! She was given no choice of foods to eat other than the ones I served at mealtime. I served one meat, 2 plain vegetables and a salad. We may have had dessert once a month and we may have had chips and dip once a month. We ate out maybe once per month. This was not due to my being a health freak. This was due to the fact that I had not gone to school yet and we were living below the poverty level at the time and I had to stretch a dollar as far as I could. My goal was to feed my family as nutritionally and as economically as possible.  In short, I could not afford fast food.

 

These parents seem to project their own need for food onto their their children and teach them at an early age that food really is a comfort and depriving them of anything is tantamount to abuse. The child learns early on that saying they are hungry brings the attention they want and need.

 

I have seen many obese persons over the years who will adamantly deny that they over eat and state that they hardly eat anything only to find out that they sneak down to the candy machine and load up on snacks and soda. They will order double portions on their meal tray unless restricted.

 

I believe that if people were honest with themselves and their doctors about what they really consume, we would not have such a question about why so many people gain weight. I believe the weight problem is really related to the fact that we as Americans cannot deny our children anything and foster a feeling of entitlement in our young. I do not want to imply that this is the case with all people but, as a person who now oversees 300 people, it seems to be a trend.

 

Some children do have medical issues that cause them to gain weight but these are usually discovered with a few simple tests.

 

Most children are overweight because of the environment and the food selections and activity levels that are made by their parents. If you do not move and you overeat and in particular, overeat the wrong foods -you will be fat -period.

 

Very frustrated nurse

 
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November 29, 2007, 10:05 pm PST

Breastfeeding

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in an ideal world  all babies should be breastfed. breastfeeding by its very nature encourages the child to self regulate. you can't force a baby to overeat if they are breastfed.  are you sure about  this? my sister breastfed her daughter  twenty  hours a day literally its how she got her to go to sleep for nine hours and nap for the four and how she calmed her down when she got fussy. within four months my neice went from six pounds up to fifteen pounds and didn't stop gaining atleast three pounds every two months until she was weened. secondly have you ever formula fed or bottle fed an infant? my daughter would clamp her mouth shut and move her head if she wasn't interested and it may taste the same at every feeding but to this day she will eat anything and you know why? because since the age of four months i made sure she had a variety of foods and flavors in her diet. she eats garlic and salmon chili and chicken maranara where as my breastfed neice eats all of four foods: corn,chicken nuggets, yogurt, and baby yums yums. in my opinion an ideal world wouldn't have all babies breastfed but smarter parents when it came to their kids nurtrition.

She is absolutely right about breastfeeding - she knows her stuff. Breastfed babies will not overeat - however, generally formula fed babies don't overeat either. Its the baby, not the food, to some extent. As adults, and even older kids, we eat when we're bored and for tons of other reasons besides hunger. and when we taste something really good we eat a lot of it. Babies are not like this - they eat till they're full and they stop. Every time. They don't overfeed themselves and they won't eat more than they need.

 

As for how often that breastfed baby ate, there's a reason for that, too. Breastmilk is much easier digested. Only takes a baby about 2 hours or less to digest it and have an empty tummy again, whereas formula takes at least 4 hours! So breastfed babies eat smaller meals, more often. Sound familiar? Its what the experts recommend for diabetics and anyone who wants to lose weight: Eating frequent smaller meals.  Breastmilk is THE perfect food for babies - and it changes as babies change. It will always be exactly what they need. And, there is only so much present at each feeding- so just b/c a baby is sucking doesn't mean he's eating the whole time. My son nursed every half hour for his first 4 months. Much of the time I was just a binkie. He wouldn't accept substitutes.

 

But the original poster was correct: if every baby were breastfed, obesity rates would likely go down. Study after study has been down showing a link between breastmilk and healthier children in every way, mind and body. Formula has to be there for those instances when breastfeeding just isn't possible - but most people choose it these days b/c they think its more convenient (its totally not!) or b/c they have such a highly sexualized image of the breast they can't fathom using it for its intended first purpose: nursing a baby.

 
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November 29, 2007, 10:28 pm PST

PCOS

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Hello
 I watched the show today and I have to say I am very angry at the Medical professionals when it came to the 15 yr old girl! The stated the girl has all these ailments due to her obesity and 2 key ailments thatthey mentioned in the begining were Poly-Cystic-Ovarian Syndrome and Insulin resistance! And you know they didnt even stress 
or explain what the 2 are! Well I have Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome with Insulin resistance and I have lived with it for 10 yrs!! This is what it is!
It is a disorder of the endocrine system. It causes people to be OBESE, it causes hair growth on th face, and other areas of the body, INFERTILTY, Irregular periods, excessive hunger and thirst, acne, skin tags, high cholseterol, high blood pressure, Diabetes and the list goes on and on! I have everything listed above asside from acne and the list is fsr too long to list! It leads to many cancers. There so much for me to list inorder for you all to understand what it is but please visit www.soulcysters.com tohelp you all understand. The reason she is hungry all the time is due to the Insulin resistance and in order for her to get that and her PCOS and other ailments under control is for them to control her Insulin resistance first!!!! Theres a Medication called Metformin that will help with that! I struggle and siffer each day with this like many of my fellow PCOS'ers! I use to be thin and healthy and full of life until 17 when i stopped getting my menstal cycle each month for 5 months then gained 34 pounds in 1 month! I was always active and eating healthy was key in my home so no unhealthy eating!
This girl needs help and she and the SO CALLED MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS NEED TO GO BACK TO SCHOOL SO THEY CAN ACCTUALLY HELP PATIENTS! this is why we cant get help or treatment because of medical professionals like that that dont know a thing!!

I wrote dr Phil 3 times already about this in 3 yrs so we can spread awareness for htis so we can all get help, its just like cancer, diabtes, and all the other disease syou se cxommercials for and fundraisers for but we are ignored and looked at that we sit around and eat all day  but yet we are the ones who suffer each day! Im hoping dr phil gets back to me as today I just wrote him again then all of a sudden this show comes on, very odd!

All of us woman with this disease need help, and this poor girl is suffereing because no one willo giver her the proper treatment she needs to help control her issues! I suffer from 21 different ailments caused from this and yet i eat healthy and excercise but yet im 100 pounds over weight!!! Thankfully I finally have a group of drs who know what thye are doing and she needs it to!! I send her lots of hugs as well as her family!




THANK YOU! As soon as they said PCOS I wanted to jump on it.  I got fatter and fatter for a few years until my mom thought to take me to an ob/gyn b/c of whacko periods and facial hair. She diagnosed PCOS on the spot, ordered initial tests to confirm, started me on birth control pills (which regulates cycles and helps clear up the facE) and sent me on my way. I was still big but at least on my way. After much research, my mom learned that women with PCOS need to see a Reproductive Endocrinologist - or at least an Endocrinologist, not just an ob/gyn.  The RE put me on metformin, sent me to a dermatologist and I dropped 70lbs in 2 years. 

 

I hope and pray someone points out the treatment this girl needs - b/c if she has PCOS like they say she does, exercise and diet will not be enough. Her system is insulin resistant and doens't know how to deal with insulin - it is a prediabetic state. And if not treated, she will become diabetic, absolutely, no ifs about it.  Metformin, avandia, avandamet, Byetta, are all drugs used to treat diabetes that are now also being used to treat PCOS. She will need it, and a low glycemic index diet to lose the weight. And then she shouild be able to just watch it melt off, once she gets her system right.

 
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November 29, 2007, 10:32 pm PST

Child Abuse

These are cases of clear cut child abuse, I don't understand why more people are not monitor by child protective agencies. Like Dr Phil says  parent have the onus to raise there kids, not only to be good  people, but to live healthily. I hate it when I see an overweight kid, the first thing that pops into my minds, is their future. Do parent not get that, that their subjecting their kids to endless year of ridicule, and ill health, for what, so they don't get into a fight with their kids. To spare them the head ache of an argument. If anything this will help their kids social skills. I'd like to see Dr Phil do a study on the correlation between overweight kids and social skills.

OK so the kid eats a lot or likes to eat, at least make them active, take away  their TV or play station, and mark my words  you will see a difference.  We did  well not having video games or cable TV when we were growing up.  My  nephew range from the ages 11-6 and still don't have this luxuries, mainly because there behavior doesn't permit such a luxuries.  yet they eat a lot, one is slightly overweight, but nothing to be concerned about (yet). People shouldn't blame our fast paced society. Will it kill people to cook 5-6 nights a week and use those other days as treats. Where are the boundaries. These parent are also telling their kid, look you can have what you want when you want. What are the kids learning, that I'll never have to work hard for what I want, when they get out into the real world, they will be all messed up not only psychology and emotionally, but they will lack copping mechanisms skills, because everything has been handed down to them.

It time parent stopped mollycoddling their kids, and got real. Having strict discipline will not harm a child if anything will give them boundaries, I wasn't even allowed to go to the movie with friends until after I finished high school, but I'm no worse for it. I get that my parent were looking out for their kids safety, shouldn't that be the parent number priority.

In the end it's not about over feeding their kids, it's the lack of parenting skills. Dr Phil should instruct these parent to read his books at the very least, or go out and get some parenting skills.
 
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November 29, 2007, 10:47 pm PST

11/29 Too Big, Too Young

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Did you ever think that a "RARE DISEASE" may be considered rare because doctors are told that this is so? Let me tell you that I have run into all kinds of medical professionals that basically look the other way and will refuse to investigate a problem or disease because it is  considered RARE. With cushings disease this is most always the case. More and more of these rare diseases are showing up and through out the last two years of fighting to save my daughter's life from a so called RARE DISEASE I have learned so much about how people are misdiagnosed with a blink of an eye. The medical profession has become a money making business where doctors are see so many patients a day that there is no time to investigate the symptoms fully. Unless you know what you are talking about then it is better not to speak at all and by all means DO NOT JUDGE OTHERS FOR THINGS THAT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND. That is a message that I send to all the closed minded people telling others how and what to feed their children. Yes... there are those families that eat tons of junk and soda, etc. But I have seen that in families that are all thin as well. Is it possible that maybe some of these people may be ill?  Read up on your rare diseases before you make judgements and give uneducated advice. Sorry... I have had it with all this higher than mighty attitudes that I see here.
Please consider that most physicians really do care about diagnosing you. I work alongside doctors every day who care about you and the diagnosis they make. Medicine is not an exact science and never has been but you have to continue seeking help when the prescribed treatment does not work.
 
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November 29, 2007, 11:01 pm PST

11/29 Too Big, Too Young

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These are cases of clear cut child abuse, I don't understand why more people are not monitor by child protective agencies. Like Dr Phil says  parent have the onus to raise there kids, not only to be good  people, but to live healthily. I hate it when I see an overweight kid, the first thing that pops into my minds, is their future. Do parent not get that, that their subjecting their kids to endless year of ridicule, and ill health, for what, so they don't get into a fight with their kids. To spare them the head ache of an argument. If anything this will help their kids social skills. I'd like to see Dr Phil do a study on the correlation between overweight kids and social skills.

OK so the kid eats a lot or likes to eat, at least make them active, take away  their TV or play station, and mark my words  you will see a difference.  We did  well not having video games or cable TV when we were growing up.  My  nephew range from the ages 11-6 and still don't have this luxuries, mainly because there behavior doesn't permit such a luxuries.  yet they eat a lot, one is slightly overweight, but nothing to be concerned about (yet). People shouldn't blame our fast paced society. Will it kill people to cook 5-6 nights a week and use those other days as treats. Where are the boundaries. These parent are also telling their kid, look you can have what you want when you want. What are the kids learning, that I'll never have to work hard for what I want, when they get out into the real world, they will be all messed up not only psychology and emotionally, but they will lack copping mechanisms skills, because everything has been handed down to them.

It time parent stopped mollycoddling their kids, and got real. Having strict discipline will not harm a child if anything will give them boundaries, I wasn't even allowed to go to the movie with friends until after I finished high school, but I'm no worse for it. I get that my parent were looking out for their kids safety, shouldn't that be the parent number priority.

In the end it's not about over feeding their kids, it's the lack of parenting skills. Dr Phil should instruct these parent to read his books at the very least, or go out and get some parenting skills.

Child Abuse?!  

Does everyone believe that when an obese adult becomes a parent they become a child abuser?

I have been struggling with my weight my entire life.  Poor self esteem and all.  I figure, I will die trying!

Unfortunately I have two daughters who seem destined to follow in my footsteps.  It breaks my heart!

 

But, if I haven't been able to help myself.   How can I help them?   I teach them how to make good choices  but my example is poor.  

 

Most parents don't wait to perfect themselves prior to becoming parents.   Unfortunately,  when your problem is a food addiction,  everyone else can see it.  And judge you for it. 

 

Maybe people should offer encouragement, instead of crying--Child Abuse.

 
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November 29, 2007, 11:08 pm PST

11/29 Too Big, Too Young

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Child Abuse?!  

Does everyone believe that when an obese adult becomes a parent they become a child abuser?

I have been struggling with my weight my entire life.  Poor self esteem and all.  I figure, I will die trying!

Unfortunately I have two daughters who seem destined to follow in my footsteps.  It breaks my heart!

 

But, if I haven't been able to help myself.   How can I help them?   I teach them how to make good choices  but my example is poor.  

 

Most parents don't wait to perfect themselves prior to becoming parents.   Unfortunately,  when your problem is a food addiction,  everyone else can see it.  And judge you for it. 

 

Maybe people should offer encouragement, instead of crying--Child Abuse.

If you were an alchoholic would you show your chidren how to drink?
 
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