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As for the slavery thing. Well that is why we have welfare, just kidding bad joke.

There are more whites on "welfare" then any other race in America. 

I know you said you were "just kidding".......but I found your "joke" appalling and is the kind of thing that keeps racism alive and well in America.

The repercussions of slavery and then many years of oppression is felt throughout our society today and for many years to come.  When "whites" finally realized that to stop oppressing the black race (as well as other minorities including women) is actually a service to society as a whole is when the change "began".  However, change is slow......oppression took place for hundreds of years and the devastating effects it had on our society financially and in other ways cannot be changed over night.

If you feel you posted a "bad joke"...simply removed it before posting.

A very bad joke and not at all amusing in my opinion.

As to WWII reparations, Israel and W. Germany reached an agreement which called for payment to Israel as they handled the relocation of 1/2 million European Jewish people.  Helped pay for infrastructure in the new Jewish state.   In the 1990s some settlements were also reached with those who had property stolen by Nazis.  Not sure that there is enough money on this planet to repay what was done during WWII.

The problem that I see with slave reparations is the amount of time that has past and who should pay.  Should my family be exempt because I am a descendant of a soldier who fought and died fighting for the North?  Should Southerners pay more?  As someone else mentioned where does it end?  Should the South pay me because my ancestor was a POW who died in a Southern prison?  That does not make sense to me but it might to someone else. 

Slavery was a disgusting, horrible part of our nations past.  We have many things in our closet that we should be ashamed of such as the Japanese interment camps during WWII, the American Indian Removal (Trail of Tears).  What we really should do is learn from our mistakes and also not make petty jokes about slavery and welfare.

A very bad joke and not at all amusing in my opinion.

As to WWII reparations, Israel and W. Germany reached an agreement which called for payment to Israel as they handled the relocation of 1/2 million European Jewish people.  Helped pay for infrastructure in the new Jewish state.   In the 1990s some settlements were also reached with those who had property stolen by Nazis.  Not sure that there is enough money on this planet to repay what was done during WWII.

The problem that I see with slave reparations is the amount of time that has past and who should pay.  Should my family be exempt because I am a descendant of a soldier who fought and died fighting for the North?  Should Southerners pay more?  As someone else mentioned where does it end?  Should the South pay me because my ancestor was a POW who died in a Southern prison?  That does not make sense to me but it might to someone else. 

Slavery was a disgusting, horrible part of our nations past.  We have many things in our closet that we should be ashamed of such as the Japanese interment camps during WWII, the American Indian Removal (Trail of Tears).  What we really should do is learn from our mistakes and also not make petty jokes about slavery and welfare.

A very bad joke and not at all amusing in my opinion.

As to WWII reparations, Israel and W. Germany reached an agreement which called for payment to Israel as they handled the relocation of 1/2 million European Jewish people.  Helped pay for infrastructure in the new Jewish state.   In the 1990s some settlements were also reached with those who had property stolen by Nazis.  Not sure that there is enough money on this planet to repay what was done during WWII.

The problem that I see with slave reparations is the amount of time that has past and who should pay.  Should my family be exempt because I am a descendant of a soldier who fought and died fighting for the North?  Should Southerners pay more?  As someone else mentioned where does it end?  Should the South pay me because my ancestor was a POW who died in a Southern prison?  That does not make sense to me but it might to someone else. 

Slavery was a disgusting, horrible part of our nations past.  We have many things in our closet that we should be ashamed of such as the Japanese interment camps during WWII, the American Indian Removal (Trail of Tears).  What we really should do is learn from our mistakes and also not make petty jokes about slavery and welfare.

About slavery it was not just our country that did it. Slavery was something that had gone on for a very long time. What most people do not know is that the Muslims started the slave trade and not only blakcs were slaves. What is sad is that I think the US was one of the last ones to abolish it. That I am ashamed of. We can not change the past just learn from it.  About paying them reparation money. I think the person who first posted the message was talking about why couldn't we pay them right after it was over, at laeast I hope that was what he was meaning. Owning another human being is horrible but I honestly do not think that most slaves were mistreated and that they were better here than in their own countries where they were being killed off. How they became slaves was some tribes took over other tribe's land and most of the time they killed off the tribe that they were conquering but in some cases they decided to sell the people instead of killing them.

It is a very touchy subject. Again I am so sorry I posted that horrible joke. I usually am not like that all.

HI Mitzy!!!

You know I think that eating crow * admitting a mistake*...

is an admirable thing...

You've IMO apologised enough...end of story.   : )

<3

Fredi

About slavery it was not just our country that did it. Slavery was something that had gone on for a very long time. What most people do not know is that the Muslims started the slave trade and not only blakcs were slaves. What is sad is that I think the US was one of the last ones to abolish it. That I am ashamed of. We can not change the past just learn from it.  About paying them reparation money. I think the person who first posted the message was talking about why couldn't we pay them right after it was over, at laeast I hope that was what he was meaning. Owning another human being is horrible but I honestly do not think that most slaves were mistreated and that they were better here than in their own countries where they were being killed off. How they became slaves was some tribes took over other tribe's land and most of the time they killed off the tribe that they were conquering but in some cases they decided to sell the people instead of killing them.

It is a very touchy subject. Again I am so sorry I posted that horrible joke. I usually am not like that all.

but I honestly do not think that most slaves were mistreated and that they were better here than in their own countries where they were being killed off.

You know first you say that "owning" another human being is a horrible thing...then you go about the business of justifying it.

First of all you have no idea how they were treated as you didn't live back then.  I would imagine there were some slave owners that treated their slaves okay and others that treated their slaves terribly.  However, just the fact that they were "owned" and bought and sold like cattle is enough to make me nauseous. 

Families were separated all the time and sold to the highest bidder at slave markets in the same way you will see cattle sold.    They were even bred like cattle and put together not of their own will but the will of the  slave owner to get a "prime" slave and then that slave was ripped away from their families and forced to live and work on other plantations and farms.

Just the way they were brought over here was horribly inhumane.  They stuck hundreds upon hundreds in the bottom of the ship, crammed together like sardines with barely enough food and water to keep them alive and where if by the time they got to the U.S. and half were still living they considered it a good haul. 

I don't CARE if Americans didn't "start" it.  They participated and owned slaves and when you say they were "better off" when you have no earthly idea what these people went through is disgusting.  What the people of American did during that time to human beings was nothing short of abhorrent and for people to sugar coat it now is ignorant at best.

How they became slaves was some tribes took over other tribe's land and most of the time they killed off the tribe that they were conquering but in some cases they decided to sell the people instead of killing them.

Thanks for the history lesson, most of know how slaves were obtained because they teach it in American History 101.  This does not justify, excuse or extenuate throwing thousands upon thousands into the bottom of ships (where a huge percentage died a horrible death anyway) to be brought over in to slave trade and treated like cattle.

If how you feel on this subject is the way all Christian Supremacists feel I wouldn't be the least surprised.

but I honestly do not think that most slaves were mistreated and that they were better here than in their own countries where they were being killed off.

You know first you say that "owning" another human being is a horrible thing...then you go about the business of justifying it.

First of all you have no idea how they were treated as you didn't live back then.  I would imagine there were some slave owners that treated their slaves okay and others that treated their slaves terribly.  However, just the fact that they were "owned" and bought and sold like cattle is enough to make me nauseous. 

Families were separated all the time and sold to the highest bidder at slave markets in the same way you will see cattle sold.    They were even bred like cattle and put together not of their own will but the will of the  slave owner to get a "prime" slave and then that slave was ripped away from their families and forced to live and work on other plantations and farms.

Just the way they were brought over here was horribly inhumane.  They stuck hundreds upon hundreds in the bottom of the ship, crammed together like sardines with barely enough food and water to keep them alive and where if by the time they got to the U.S. and half were still living they considered it a good haul. 

I don't CARE if Americans didn't "start" it.  They participated and owned slaves and when you say they were "better off" when you have no earthly idea what these people went through is disgusting.  What the people of American did during that time to human beings was nothing short of abhorrent and for people to sugar coat it now is ignorant at best.

How they became slaves was some tribes took over other tribe's land and most of the time they killed off the tribe that they were conquering but in some cases they decided to sell the people instead of killing them.

Thanks for the history lesson, most of know how slaves were obtained because they teach it in American History 101.  This does not justify, excuse or extenuate throwing thousands upon thousands into the bottom of ships (where a huge percentage died a horrible death anyway) to be brought over in to slave trade and treated like cattle.

If how you feel on this subject is the way all Christian Supremacists feel I wouldn't be the least surprised.