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September 1, 2009, 9:03 am CDT

Stooping pretty low-

Quote From: kustomlady

From the FRC...

Over the weekend former Vice President Al Gore took the stage before a crowd of Democratic Party supporters and alluded to the teachings of Jesus in Matthew 25 when he said the country has a "moral duty to pass health care reform" because we must take care of the "least of us." Evoking Scripture to support congressional passage of federally-run health care has become commonplace in this debate, not just among the Religious Left but among politicians. They trot out Jesus' injunction to care for "the least of these" (which is not an instruction to the civil government but for individuals followers of Christ) to justify the plan to control roughly one-sixth of the American economy.

Earlier this month, the President even went so far as to quote Jewish rabbinic literature in asserting that "We are God's partners in life and death." The media are either complimentary of these remarks or silent about them. Yet when conservative Christians suggest that Scripture upholds the dignity of the person and the sanctity of human life, liberals accuse us of "injecting religion" into a public policy debate. So much for logical integrity!

We agree that steps need to be taken to improve access to health insurance in America, but this can be done without the government taking over health care and expanding taxpayer funded abortion. I am all for appealing to Scripture as our guide in this discussion but any intellectually honest interpretation of Scripture argues that personhood begins at conception. Myriad passages attest to this, from Jeremiah ("Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you") to the Apostle Paul ("God ... set me apart even from my mother's womb and called me through His grace")... 

Of course, our position is buttressed by science, which is replete with evidence that personhood starts at conception, and simple reason (an embryo has the same DNA as an adult: What makes it, therefore, less human or any less valuable, as a person, than you or me?). Apart from Divine revelation, our case stands...


Congressman Bart Stupak, (D-Mich.), says that when Mr. Obama denies his plan would fund abortion, either he does not understand what's in the Democratic health bill or he deliberately is "misleading" people. And no amount of selective Bible quotations by the President and his allies can change that...

the "right to life" affirmed in our Declaration of Independence calls us to oppose federally financed abortion and rationed care for the elderly"

 

For more information...

Churches, not the Government Seen as the Key to Healthcare Reform"

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=660262

I wonder how the more radically secular factions see this? Again, we are ridiculed and compared to idiots if we attend church and sincerely believe in God. But it's OK to use Bible passages and the words of Jesus to "guilt" us into the passage of a bill that can't stand on it's own merits.

I always knew Al Gore had no shame, but this is a new low for him.

 
September 1, 2009, 9:08 am CDT

Courtesy of Van Jones

Quote From: kustomlady

Cash for Clunkers, the federal governments $4,500 car trade in subsidy- which already has cost taxpayers a billion dollars- is dumb on both environmental and economic grounds. 

Environmental: it subsidizes the switch from relatively fuel inefficient cars to relatively fuel efficient ones, but doesnt take into account the energy consumed in manufacturing new cars or the environmental impact of disposing of the old ones.  Building a new Toyota Prius, for example, uses the equivalent of burning about 1,000 gallons of gasoline, meaning that, in many cases, the greener thing would be buying a good used car- which Cash for Clunkers will not subsidize, no matter how fuel efficient it is.

Economic: it is obviously impossible to build wealth by wantonly destroying assets ("Long lines of 'clunkers' await death at the scrap yard" http://www.onenewsnow.com/Headlines/Default.aspx?id=635968) even if the asset is a 1994 Chevy Blazer with 140,000 miles on the ticker.  The Democratic Congress seems set to expand the program, which is as good a symbol as any of Obamanomics National Review, August 24, 2009.

 

Good day everyone!

Cash for Clunkers is the brainchild of Van Jones, the ex-con, radical communist who has the ear of our president.

Word has it the "green jobs" czar's next "green" project is cash for refrigerators.

 
September 1, 2009, 9:27 am CDT

Uplifting

Quote From: kustomlady

-First is an email from Gov. Huckabee...

"A few weeks ago we started gathering signatures for a petition campaign to President Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. It started by word of mouth and spread on the social networking websites Facebook and Twitter. As I type this 12,519 people have signed the petition and the list of signatures is growing.

Today, I ask that you join these taxpayers fed up with the way Washington is spending money, the Cap and "Tax" bill and the Government option they are pushing for health care. Someone said to me just the other day, I have to wait 30 minutes at the Post Office every time I go, just imagine what health care will look like if the same folks take over. Indeed!

So please read my BALANCE, CUT, SAVE petition and then add your signature
http://www.huckpac.com/?Fuseaction=Petitions.View&Petition_id=5"   -And SBA List is gathering signatures for a letter to the president to "tell the truth" about abortion and the healthcare bill... http://www.sba-list.org/c.ddJBKJNsFqG/b.4179747/siteapps/advocacy/ActionItem.aspx?aid=12723&msource=health09&utm_source=sba&utm_medium=homepage&utm_term=tracking&utm_content=obamahealth&utm_campaign=rotator   -The FRC is hosting another webcast... "Make plans to join us on Thursday, September 10 at 8:30 pm EDT for FRC Action's special national townhall webcast which will bring you the latest on the threats posed by President Obama's health care plan. Did your Congressman or Senator avoid your questions during their August break? Send me your question. I'll also be taking video questions for the Congressional leaders, physicians, and policy experts who will be joining us for the live event. To submit a video question post a brief video (30 seconds or less) on YouTube with your question about health care reform, and send us the link. I'll play select videos and have our experts answer your question. You can also register for the live webcast at www.frcaction.org/webcast. Over 76,000 logged on to our last webcast, so sign up now and be a part of this nationwide discussion"
-And finally, the AFA is organizing a confrence on "how to take back America"... http://www.howtotakebackamerica.org/

Hi K.L.  Hope you and your family will be having a great Labor Day Weekend, but WOW...the last official weekend of summer!  Is it me, or did this summer just fly by?

My kids went to school yesterday, but colleges have always started earlier.  When do yours go back?  I have to adjust, as I've always hated this time of year.

I am going to all of those sites, and it is a uplifting feeling to see more AMERICAN sites popping up as this Administration continues to reveal more ideology that is so against the rights of our country.

Did you see how fast Obama "passed the buck" concerning the CIA's interrogation of the terrorists?

Were the Bush Administration to have dropped to the level of those who killed so many innocent civilians, those men would have been taken out.

IF guns were put to their heads, those guns were NOT fired.  The gun facing writer Daniel Perl was not "put to his head"...the trigger was pulled, and he is dead.  Nobody thinks of him, but only the RIGHTS of terrorists, and our "obligation" to treat them in a humane way.

Is there no consideration being given to the RIGHTS of our citizens who were protected from facing another 9/11?

In my opinion, unless we just picked random people off the streets, interrogation becomes a part of a war that THEY started...but they want US to play fair.  Did they?

Talk about SYMPATHY FOR THE DEVIL, and screw the victims.  Then we send our servicemen and women into these countries to risk their lives, fighting and killing the "enemy."...the enemy we are putting ahead of the CIA in our own country.

This is dangerous, and is a betrayal to those who are risking their lives.  You don't weaken when the war is still active, and at times like these, you show solidarity with the Armed Forces.

War is HELL, but we are in it. 

Oh, ever wonder where is Bin Lauden?  Probably laughing his *-- off in some bunker, well protected by HIS people.

Where are OUR people?  Oh yes, investigating CIA tactics.  So embarassing!

 

 

 

 

 
September 1, 2009, 9:48 am CDT

YAHOO AT THE APPLIANCE STORES

Quote From: ritehere

Cash for Clunkers is the brainchild of Van Jones, the ex-con, radical communist who has the ear of our president.

Word has it the "green jobs" czar's next "green" project is cash for refrigerators.

I heard that one on World News Tonight.  It's geared towards the refrigeraters, stoves, washing machines and air conditioners.  You are supposedly getting a rebate if you buy the energy efficient models.

I wonder how long it will take to dispose of all of the appliances, should this become a "done deal"?  Add it to the clunkers. we should have quite a large pile of crap waiting to disappear.

 
September 1, 2009, 9:59 am CDT

Now it's the Jesus Card

Quote From: ritehere

I wonder how the more radically secular factions see this? Again, we are ridiculed and compared to idiots if we attend church and sincerely believe in God. But it's OK to use Bible passages and the words of Jesus to "guilt" us into the passage of a bill that can't stand on it's own merits.

I always knew Al Gore had no shame, but this is a new low for him.

So, no mention of God in public schools, no mention of Christ in Christmas, but Jesus is for Obama's Heath Care Reform!

This is so sick, if it were a movie, I'd laugh.

The radicals of secular beliefs want IN GOD WE TRUST taken off coins.   Al Gore wants to use Jesus as a tool for the passage of a bill.

I'm GLAD he said it, just to prove more hypocrasy.

I am strongly in favor of separation of Church and State.  Obviously Al Gore feels otherwise when it suits him.

Now, someone from OUR side of the aisle should argue against late term abortion using the same stratedgy...it violates the moral teachings of Jesus Christ.

Wonder how fast those stones would be thrown?

 
September 1, 2009, 11:18 am CDT

Example of what's wrong in America today:

Our government is supposed to be by the people, for the people, our leaders are supposed to work for us.

I'm going to copy and paste some parts of this article to illustrate how our leaders don't consider our wants as important. Here is the article:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20090901/pl_politico/26642

 

In regards to the opposition to his healthcare plan, and the growing concern of government take-overs in general that he has presided over, the article says:

 

"As for health care, his signature issue, Obama faces a difficult struggle to both regain the upper hand from Republicans newly energized by the opposition to his proposals they found over the congressional recess and to convince pundits that he still has the opportunity to get a bill passed."

And:

"Angered by a radio address on health care delivered by Enzi over the weekend, which repeated a number of Republican arguments against the plan, Gibbs said it suggested that Enzi “doesn’t believe there’s a pathway to get bipartisan support, and the president thinks that’s wrong. I think Sen. Enzi’s clearly turned over his cards on bipartisanship and decided that it’s time to walk away from the table.” "

While:

"An Enzi spokesman said the senator remains committed to the bipartisan talks, and a Grassley spokeswoman said the senator was referring in his letter only to the government-run insurance option embraced in the House and Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions bills. "

The author of the article sums up:

"Despite his enormous communications skills, personal appeal and mastery of new media, Obama failed to win the messaging wars over the health care debate in August. And that happened even though the White House seemed to make an all-out effort to push the measure with a prime-time news conference and nationwide town halls."

The author passes on this bit of wisdom from unnamed analysts:

"To come back, the analysts say, Obama will have to dominate the opposition in three areas — messaging, media and muscle — in order to change the momentum in Washington. That is, he’ll have to come up with a coherent argument for his health care reform ideas that ties the proposal into his broader agenda. He’ll have to take advantage of the White House’s ability to dominate the media by making news — and putting out story lines that will dominate the front pages.

And he’ll have to use good, old-fashioned political brute force, which the White House so far has seemed reluctant to do in the debate over health care. "

The plan seems to be to pick an enemy to rally against and:

“Obama can regain momentum and the message high ground if he provides an overarching message — a big idea — for his entire presidency,” Lehane said. “All of his initiatives — health care, energy, stimulus bailout — are linked to a bigger idea that explains to middle America about what he is doing to fight for them against a direct threat or challenge that is relevant to them in their daily lives.”

 

The article goes on and on, explaining possible "strategies" and such.

Here's the crux of the dilemma in the White House, the overarching message, the goal of this administration is the transformation of our democratic capitalist republic into a marxist socialist communist regime. They can't be honest and come out and said it out loud, so that is why they are using all these other tactics.

Americans can smell a rat no matter what it calls itself. This is also why they are not willing to scrap the bill and start over with a truly bipartisan bill that does not include the public option, which is what the American people want. If they don't get their government run public option, they don't get a key part of their plan.

 
September 1, 2009, 11:36 am CDT

An objective view-

On a side note, if you read that article in it's entirety, reflect on the word-usage and why the author might have chosen some of them.

There is much commenting on how Obama needs to "get the upper hand" "dominate" and even "use brute force."

Of course, when you consider the ones he is supposed to do all of this to, (we the people,) how much of a public servant is he? We voted for this?!

What's wrong with admitting that the people that you serve don't want your proposals, so maybe you need to go back to the drawing board? Plenty of us have admitted that we made a mistake in electing you, it's even. How can we get together and make this better?

Obama is not the first president that has floated a government run healthcare program. It comes up regularly and regularly gets the heave-ho because Americans don't want it, and we don't want what comes with it- socialism-communism-fascism. So let's stop all the subterfuge, smoke and mirrors, evading, re-naming, and the endless search for an "enemy." We all know what the real enemy is, and it's the agenda of our current leaders.

 
September 1, 2009, 11:42 am CDT

News, Politics and Current Events

Quote From: ritehere

You know you can't just swoop in here and drop a link or two! What's your opinion on what's going on in the country today?

I know, LOL!

 

Anyway, I'm kind of having mixed feelings about what Obama is doing. I tried to tell one of my family members that Obama isn't exactly a U.S. Citizen, & she was talking about "Well he can't be a U.S. President if he isn't a U.S. citizen!"

 

Sadly, I voted for him because my family was voting for him. He's supposed to promise us change & this is what he gives us? Ugh. The unemployment rate is still kind of high, I think (I'm already in the process of looking for a better line of work; I only work at least 13.50 hours a week). I can only hope that things doesn't get any more worse than it already is.

 
September 1, 2009, 11:48 am CDT

News, Politics and Current Events

Quote From: kathleen27

Always happy to see another poster!  I will definitely check out those sites.  In my mind, it's a positive thing that people are questioning their votes.  Hopefully, the same mistake will not be made in his next run for President.  Either that, or perhaps our Commander-in-chief will moderate and compromise his "etched in stone" mindset...the "MY WAY, OR THE HIGHWAY" that we have been seeing.

Warning signs were all there.  Voters chose to look past them. 

With the 2010 election not that far off, the Senate may be more inclined to stop the passage of Bills that are not written in clear, concise language, and in keeping with the Constituition of the United States.

Indeed, they are questioning their votes. Even I am! I certainly didn't even know what Obama was really capable of until I started digging up facts through this messageboard & others. The next time that I'm voting, I may vote for a 3rd party candidate! Plus hopefully, people would start waking up for next year's election in keeping the Constitution for the U.S. in which we've had for generations.
 
September 2, 2009, 7:24 am CDT

News, Politics and Current Events

Quote From: manofgoods

I know, LOL!

 

Anyway, I'm kind of having mixed feelings about what Obama is doing. I tried to tell one of my family members that Obama isn't exactly a U.S. Citizen, & she was talking about "Well he can't be a U.S. President if he isn't a U.S. citizen!"

 

Sadly, I voted for him because my family was voting for him. He's supposed to promise us change & this is what he gives us? Ugh. The unemployment rate is still kind of high, I think (I'm already in the process of looking for a better line of work; I only work at least 13.50 hours a week). I can only hope that things doesn't get any more worse than it already is.

This is the change that he was talking about, No where in his history does it show that he would be anything else then what he is today. When obama talked about change he left it open for ppl to fill in the blank to what they thought he meant by change. They choose to ingnore his history in a anti American church for 20 year they choose to ingnore Ayers and all the others that helped into politics they choose to ignore his lack of experience to insert a fairy tale of what that wanted him to mean. When ppl on this board challanged him and his history supporters of him turned ugly because we where really challanging their hopes of what they wanted him to mean by change.

 

J.

 
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