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Topic : 12/04 Doomed from the Start?

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Physical and verbal abuse, a cheating spouse … what are the deal-breakers in your marriage? Dr. Phil talks to a couple on the verge of breaking up, and he has help from Bishop T.D. Jakes, renowned pastor and author of Reposition Yourself. Anthoney says he cheated on his wife, Erin, many times and admits to being verbally abusive during their five-year marriage. He said his wife moved across the country with their three children and recently stopped returning his phone calls. Erin says she still loves her husband but will only take him back if he's a changed man. Anthoney claims that he's gotten his life back on track, but can he be trusted? Can this family reunite, or should they just call it quits? Join the discussion.

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December 4, 2007, 7:08 pm PST

Some losers are wolves in sheep's clothing

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Great post. Yes, what does it say about us when we pick losers. We cannot like ourselves or respect ourselves very much when we choose these guys. The problem with many women (and men perhaps) is that we move on to new people before we have worked on our own selves. We will continue to pick the same losers UNTIL we change who we are on the inside.

 

My sister has always dated losers. She has been married to one for 16 years. She is about ready to call it quits, but we all know that she will simply move on to the next loser. She has yet to deal with WHY she picks these types of guys. Until she does, there's little hope for her. We've tried to talk to her about changing herself (we can't change the behavior of others, but we can change how we react to it).

 

I have always picked great guys (minus one I dated for 7 months 2 decades ago). It's hard for me to understand why my sister tolerates what she does, but it is not uncommon. Too many women are like my sister. Too many women don't feel they deserve more and they don't like themselves enough to demand more! I think a fear of being alone is a huge part of why they SETTLE.

I had high standards when I was dating. I wouldn't have turned my head for a loser. My husband and I dated for 5 years and he was amazing. He treated me with great respect and was a very charismatic outgoing person. However, I later learned that he was a narcissist. A well-polished facade served his purposes and he never showed his true colors until after the honeymoon, and then he started out slowly so as to condition me gradually. He became critical and demanding and made me feel that I deserved the verbal abuse. He physically abused our son, but he threatened to leave me penniless if I left and I had no job. After I finally went to work as the kids approached college, truth started breaking through all the brain-washing and I realized how bad our reality was. I kicked him to the curb 9 months ago and I've never felt better. My point in telling this is that not all women go looking for losers. Some end up with one because of the bait and switch of a slick narcissist.
 
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December 4, 2007, 7:22 pm PST

Dear Me

Sorry I missed the show, but I did see the website summary.

 

Wow...my, my, my...50 Affairs!!!!!!  What's with that?????  What did Dr. Phil and the good Reverend say about that???

 

 

 
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December 4, 2007, 7:24 pm PST

"Just Defending Myself"

On the Tuesday, Dec. 4 show with Anthoney and Erin....I must comment on Anthoney claiming he is only physical with Erin when she is "attacking him."  That he holds her down until she stops fighting him.  This struck a deeply emotional chord with me.  He is not protecting himself, he is on a power trip to prove that he is stronger than she is and is forcing her to bend to his will.  This almost borders on torture, in my mind.  When a woman is held down, she feels powerless and and humiliated.  I am imagining (only imagining) that if someone did this to me, it would only enrage me further....I would be still....then as soon as he stopped "restraining me for my own good" I would get up and slug the hell out of him with whatever I found handy.  This guy is so completely arrogant and clueless, but I must admit that his wife needs to grow up and more importantly, grow a backbone.
 
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December 4, 2007, 7:44 pm PST

about the show

i watched the show and it was very ineresting to me to watch today. I have watched my father hurt my mom like that they were describing and you sholu get a divorce if your life is in danger like that and i liked what dr.phil said you should never touch a women in any phyiscal way and you sholud dovorce if your life is in danger for the sake of your life especially when you have kids in the picture and i believve that guy can not be trusted.
 
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December 4, 2007, 7:48 pm PST

12/04 Doomed from the Start?

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My husband never hit me in all ther years we were married but I was terribly verbally abused and my son was physically abused. It's hard to explain to people what verbal abuse is. It's not just being called names, in fact that was not my husband's most common form of verbal abuse. It was more about the subtle psychological undermining he did of me by withholding information, denying what he had just said, creating confusion, minimizing my concerns, manipulating, demeaning. In those ways he gained power and control and kept me from being the individual I was created to be. And it was a deal breaker!

    Verbal abuse isn't just being called names. I believe a good example is a tactic that addicts often use on their co-dependent spouse. Endless hours of listening to the "superior " spouse listing the many reasons that they are superior--which both of my alcoholic husbands were eager to do.  Husband #1 and husband #2 both believed they were more intelligent than I.  If I had an opinion of my own--well, it was automatically wrong.   And, I defended their bad behavior.  Made excuses for it.  Forgave them for the unforgivable.  Over and over again.

   Husband #1  had at least 6 affairs in 20 years before I gave up.  Husband #2 did 10 days for spousal abuse in 5 years of marriage.

   I understand that the co-dependent spouse develops the self-esteem of a gnat.  It ceases to exist at all.  I lost mine in both marriages, and I didn't realize it was gone!   Husband #1 and husband #2 both repented of their long abuse of me, and they vowed to become  better people.  Within 6 months, they forgave themselves and returned living their own merry, if sodden, lives.  The sickening, truly unfair thing is that a co-dependent takes much longer to recover.  The abuser says, "I'm sorry", and expects this to be all there is to it.   Abusers can do that--abusers have more control.  A co-dependent can only worry and stew.

    The fellow on the program can only vow to be a better ex-husband than he was a husband.  Being a good ex-husband means doing what is best for his children's mother.  She's in such awful shape that she considered reconciling with him. Returning to the marriage relationship is in his best interest, but it sure is not in hers.    

       

       

 

 
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December 4, 2007, 7:57 pm PST

My Take

Last night I went to a play.  My friend finally gave into her life-long desire to be an actor in community theater.  Right before the play she started trembling and shaking.  She did this during the first few minutes, botched a couple of lines, and then calmed down and was fine.  I believe that Erin had a case of stage fright, and it took her a little bit to get that under control.  I do not believe she was that afraid of her husband.  Now...this is my opinion of these two.

 

My take is that these are two spoiled kids who made a baby.  He probably got "the talk" from his parents about being a man and doing the right thing.  She is a spoiled little brat who never lifted a finger to do anything.  She acts like a child because she was treated like a child.  His parents probably didn't want him to marry her because she is so immature, but he wanted to "do the right thing" and she thought playing house would be fun.  She is obviously too immature to consistantly use birth control, and was probably  very pampered during pregnancy, and that was fun.  People do what they do as long as it works, and it worked for a while.  He, because he is a kid, got tired and frustrated because he wanted to be a kid.  She is so spoiled that she sat around everyday waiting for somebody to come and clean her room just like they did at home.  This pissed him off even more.  They fight.  She doesn't want to go to work so she won't even get a driver's license.  He finally gets old enough to drink and likes it.  His 50 "affairs" over five years are just one night stands.  He has not had 50 love affairs...he's just screwing around.  She thinks it seems like fun so she does it too.  When things get boring around the house ,which is no fun anymore because those cute little babies are now walking around creating even more havoc, she gets pissed and starts fighting with him.  She is confrontational and hits him.  He thinks hitting her back is what he is supposed to do, because that's what little kids do....blame and hit each other.  It's a vicious cycle.  This is what happens when little kids get married.  It stunts their maturation process.  Mom and dad aren't around to call them on their behavior.  She finally gets mad and goes home to mama.  As she says things at her parents house are not so good.  Her parents are probably pulling their hair out.  Now they have four babies to take care of.  I believe this is where they are.

 

In response to some comments on this board:  Rev Jakes is right.  Marriage is for grown people.  He gives an interesting perspective and I like him.  Yes, I believe the girl got off easy.  I believe she is a huge part of this cycle.  He is a self-righteous kid, she is a perpetual baby.  It is all very sad.  She will be happy for a little while because she got to be on tv.  He will follow through with his therapy...she won't.  It will be too hard for her.

 

Thanks.  I'll bet all of you will be happy when I recover from my surgery, go back to work,  and quit writing these drug-induced rambles. lol

 

 

 
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December 4, 2007, 8:00 pm PST

MARRIAGE IS A SACRED EVENT IN A COUPLES LIFE.

I FELT SAD IN A WAY FOR THE WOMAN AND HER CHILDREN. AS FOR THE HUSBAND; HE'S A JERK AND NEEDS TO GET A LIFE.

MY MARRIAGE WAS A LITTLE LIKE THERES. ME WIFE NEVER WORKED EVEN WHEN I NEEDED HER HELP. BUT, SHE WAS A GOOD MOTHER AND WIFE. I SUPPORTED THE FAMILY TOTALLY. I BELIEVE IN THE OLD TRADITIONS OF MARRIAGE. BUT; OUR MARRAIGE DIDN'T LAST. IT WAS DOOMED AFTER OUR FIRST SON DIED. THAN FOR SURE AFTER TWO MORE DID. WE GOT DIVORCED IN 1998.

SHE HAS MOVED ON, BUT ME; I CAN'T FIND THE RIGHT PERSON. I PRAY THAT THE COUPLE ON TODAY'S SHOW WILL GET A SECOND CHANCE.

 

SINCERELY,

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December 4, 2007, 8:06 pm PST

12/04 Doomed from the Start?

 
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December 4, 2007, 8:11 pm PST

Is she being truthful?

I have to wonder...she 'shook' and 'trembled' so badly on stage because she had to sit next to him.  All the 'crying' she did and the pouting...I just have to day, there was something off about it all.  I honestly believe she was faking it.  I think she was not truthful and that she perhaps is playing a game here.  I do not excuse his behavior.  I do not excuse the fact that he is in denial about a lot of things, but I DO NOT believe Erin either.  The camera caught her smirking on more than one occasion.  Also, if she is so terrified to be up there with her husband that she would physically react in that manner, then why is she asking about going back.  She moved to another part of the country and I am quite sure she has picked up with another man by now...remember, she cheated too.  Why would she want to go back to that?  I just have to wonder how much of this was real and how much of this was a little girl playing games.  I think Erin's issues should have been addressed just as adamantly as Anthoney's were.  I was at a loss after the show.  I usually agree with Dr. Phil, but on this one, I cannot.  The worst thing is that everyone out there is saying 'poor girl'  and condemning him for his actions.  He has as much right to not be physically abused as she does.  Funny how sometimes we forget that women can be volatile and violent toward their husbands just as much as men can.  I don't understand why, every time Anthoney tried to point out that Erin had ownership in this mess too, he was shut down immediately.  I am disappointed with today's show.
 
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December 4, 2007, 8:14 pm PST

She is quite the little actress....

I agree with another post that the trembling was not out of being afraid but from stage fright.  She was not afraid of her husband, she was loving the attention, while wiping tears that were not there.  She is a spoiled brat who did nothing to contribute to the household, not even laundry??   You could just tell that she was loving the spot light and her smiles to her husband when Dr. Phil was not looking.

She cheated too, she is no charm either. 

As for the husband, give him a couple months and he will be verbally abusing her again.  Neither are ready for marriage.  THE POOR KIDS are the ones who are suffering here, this is who we should feel sorry for.

 
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