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Topic : 12/06 Desperate to Be a Mom

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How far would you go to be a mother? Dr. Phil's guests are women whose biological clocks are ticking time bombs, and they're willing to risk almost everything to become pregnant. When Tonya and Keith got married, they agreed not to have children. Six years later, Tonya has had a change of heart and is now obsessed with having a baby, but Keith is totally opposed to the idea. Can they reach a compromise without resenting each other, or will the baby talk end their wedded bliss? Next, Eric and Michelle have been married over a year and have been unable to conceive. Eric refuses to spend another dime on fertility treatments because he says there's no guarantee she's going to get pregnant. Michelle won't take no for an answer and has even considered going behind her husband's back and charging fertility treatments on her credit card. After talking with Dr. Phil, will Eric decide to invest in the procedures, or will Michelle put her baby dreams on hold? And, Dr. Phil fitness expert, Robert Reames, and his wife, Arminae, share their painful five-year struggle to have another baby. Talk about the show here.

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December 6, 2007, 6:06 pm PST

Adoption is not always an answr

I keep reading people’s posts about “why don’t people adopt more?”…. that is not an answer for everyone.  There are valid reasons to not adopt.  There is concern with the adoption laws in the US, that often side with the birth parents, and could end with a child being taken back by their birth parents.  There is the cost… it can be overwhelmingly expensive.  International adoptions can also be extremely expensive.

Then there are the emotional concerns.  Unless you are an adoptee, I don’t believe your opinion about how wonderful adoption is is completely valid.  Have you lived a life of feeling like you don’t fit in?  Have you lived a life never understanding a biological connection?  Have you lived your life knowing that you were given away by the people who were supposed to love you unconditionally?  I’ve yet to meet a fellow adoptee who is not insecure with relationships, and tended to worry as a child that their adoptive parents would “go away”.  I certainly understand that this is not the situation for ALL adoptees, however, it has been prevalent in my experience, the experience of my brother, 4 relatives, and multiple friends and clients I have dealt with. 

I have a tremendous respect for people who adopt.  I think adoption is a much better alternative to foster care or growing up with an abusive or unfit parent.  However, many people have lived or witnessed many of these concerns, and adoption is a road that they can’t emotionally go down.  I get the feeling that there is a lot of judgement towards them because they’d rather conceive a child, or don’t feel adoption is a valid option FOR THEM.

 
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December 6, 2007, 6:10 pm PST

Adoption question

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What I don't understand is why people don't consider adoption more often. There are plenty of kids out there that need good homes. Also, when are these women going to learn that having children in your 40's is almost impossible not to mention risky for the child and the mother?!? Once you get to a certain age, you should just consider adoption. My brother in-law adopted a boy and a girl with no problems at all and he is as happy as he could possibly be. A co-worker reached 40 and couldn't get pregnant so she adopted a beautiful girl as well. Save yourselves time, money, energy, health risk, etc. and just adopt! There are so many great kids in need that need awesome parents like Robert and his wife.
 As another one said, we are well aware of adoption. When we were going through infertility treatment in the 70s, we were aware of adoption. We still wanted a child of our own. I still wanted to be pregnant, feel the baby moving in my womb, the agony of delivery, sleepless nights, etc. It was not to be for us. We tried adopting a newborn but the cost was $10,000 minumum even back then plus an estimated wait of 6-10 years. For a new born it can still be that way. When my daughter gave up her third child for adoption, the people who adopted him had been waiting for years.

Yes, my daughter. We adopted a two siblings - boy 2, girl 1. They had been taken away from their parents for abuse when the girl was 3 months old. They had been in foster care for 8 months, 3 different homes. They saw an older sister separated from them due to her abusing them. The 2 year old was the development of a 1 year old. It was truly like bringing home twins. We loved them from day one.

I call our experience a bad adoption experience. We wanted kids so badly  but it wasn't what we had planned. We went through the state because that is what we could afford.  When we told our parents that we were going to adopt, my in-laws said they would accept any child except one of 'black' mix. That hurt alot. As it turned out their heritage is same as if they were our bio kids. They look a lot like my husbands side of the family.

They had emotional problems already when we brought them home. Bonding never occurred. My husband was never able to bond with them due to his own reasons. I gave all I had but wasn't enough. They are now 31 and 30.  They both are full of anger towards their birth parents. Our daughter more than our son takes it out on us, particularly me. She blames me for everything bad in her life even though she is the one that has made the bad choices. Both are disfunctional and immature due in large part to the emotional problems they have.

I know another family that has adopted 4 foster children. They had them for awhile so knew them. Plus, she is what I call a 'natural mother'. These kids have lots of emotional and physical problems from being drug babies. They are great kids and a great family. I also grew up with a boy that was adopted. He made us feel bad we were not adopted. Because of him, I always wanted to adopt.

Yes, adoption is a way and the right choice for many,  but newborns are not readily available and the majority of people are not ready for an older child with mulitple problems. Please stop judging those that want a child of their own. And stop thinking they do not realize adoption is out there - from experience I know that is one of the first things others will say when they find out there is a fertility problem. But it is not for everyone since other than a newborn, they all come with baggage.
 
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December 6, 2007, 6:11 pm PST

married with child

My husband and I have been married for 16 1/2 years this year.  We knew that we would never have children because my husband had a vasectomy years before we had met. He is 22 years older than me and was married 20 years to his first wife. He had 2 children and the youngest was 16 when we married. I thought that I could live with out children. Later into our marriage children came up. After many long talks we decided to give it a try. He had a reversal in 1997. We tried have children for many years with no luck. We finally decided to try adoption. That did not work either because of his age.  I went to work for an orthopiedic office and meet some wonderful poeple. There I met a Lady that told me about her friend going down the same road I was on. I wanted a child so bad. I was tired of trying. It got to be a job instead an enjoyable moment. She told me about this Doctor that delt with fertility problems. She made me an appointment. I had to have surgery for a cyst in my uterus. We then decided to try artificial insemination. We took an at home preg test and were expecting our first child. We were so happy. We now have a 9 month old little boy. I am so glad that we did not give up our dream and that we love each other enough to see each other through anything. My husband loved me enough that he let my dreams come true. We are very happy. Good luck to everyone dealing with child issues. Stay true to yourself and the one you love.
 
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December 6, 2007, 6:18 pm PST

12/06 Desperate to Be a Mom

     The first couple was kind of similar to my situation. One HUGE condition on me getting married was that we would have kids eventually. My husband agreed that he wanted kids and that we would have them. Now, 8 years later, we have a wonderful relationship but no kids. I still really want them, but my husband changed his mind and is very firm about it. He hates the thought of having kids. I go thru my phases. I realize that the logical thing is to wait, after all, I am only 26. But, it's hard. I used to cry whenever I'd see a mother with a baby. I wanted that so bad. Divorce is not in my options, so I have to be the one to change. It's so hard. I worry that I will regret not having childen, but what am I supposed to do? I love my husband more every day. I can't imagine my life without him. I have PCOS too, so it won't be easy. The only way for me to get pregnant is to lie. I tried that and it didn't go over well. I am going to look into adoption. I think the people who have been mentioning adoption are great. This is a wide topic. I wish only the best for the couples. 
 
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December 6, 2007, 6:24 pm PST

Desperate to Be a Mom

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Sounds like you're very clear about what you want and desire for your family, so any pressure you recieve should be easy to brush off, yes?

 

I found your post interesting because of the wording you used "just because I decide to change my mind."  Your commitment to your choices is probably easier to remain committed to since the desire for the alternative is absent.  Not everyone is you, not everyone is lacking that desire.  And one day, you may find yourself singing a different tune if that desire ever does grace your body and persist.

 

I understand Dr. Phil's choice to sway the men.  These women have the urge, the desire, to be pregnant and be mothers.  And being denied fullfilling that urge is something that cant be taken back.  You get one turn in this life, and a womans ability to create life is on a definite time-table.

 

When you've never experienced the desire, making a choice seems pretty uncomplicated.  The 1st couple made a choice, absent of desire.  The wife couldn't know how much desire can affect your thinking which does ultimately result in regret for ever making the "choice" to not be a parent.  Where now she has found her choice to have been made out of ignorance and the assumption that what she had experienced so far in lacking the desire, would be what she would forever experience on the matter.

 

I think Dr. Phil has a full understanding of how a woman being denied her desire will ultimately foul a relationship far more than offering understanding to the husband could.

"Sounds like you're very clear about what you want and desire for your family, so any pressure you recieve should be easy to brush off, yes?"

 

Yes but it can be annoying when people wont leave you alone about it.Just respect my way of thinking just like I respect everybodys who want to have 10 kids for instance.

 

"Your commitment to your choices is probably easier to remain committed to since the desire for the alternative is absent.  Not everyone is you, not everyone is lacking that desire.  And one day, you may find yourself singing a different tune if that desire ever does grace your body and persist."

 

Yes thats why I wrote never say never.

 

"I found your post interesting because of the wording you used "just because I decide to change my mind." "

 

Well since english is not my first language,its hard for me to find the right words sometimes.I am only speaking for myself that I dont want any children and never wanted any.I sometimes even say I dont have a biological clock .I never babysat or watched other kids and never wanted to.

 

"I think Dr. Phil has a full understanding of how a woman being denied her desire will ultimately foul a relationship far more than offering understanding to the husband could."

 

Maybe so,but its not fair to the partner who doesn't want any kids,be it man or woman.I would rather get a divorce than be pressured to have a baby I didnt want.

 
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December 6, 2007, 6:32 pm PST

Wanting a child too

I also have PCOS too. The OBGYN that I when to told me that there is a direct correlation between infertility problems and high insulin levels in females. After going to my primary family physician for several months and being told that it was my husband's problem and not mine, I went for a second opinion. The OB was the one who discover my problems and told me that my husband's "boys" are fine. I had surgery and am on Metformin to decrease my insulin level. I pray each day for heaven's greatest gift, a child! May we all be bless!
 
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December 6, 2007, 6:37 pm PST

Now this is a true love story........

Dr. Phil, you really surprised me, but impressed me.  You really do love your wife, Robin.  The fact that you reversed your surgery for the love of your wife was so very touching.  *Thank You*

 

Now for Keith and Tonya.  First of, Tonya you made a promise with Keith before marriage not to have children.  Secondly, I am a firm believer that women or men that don't have kids shouldn't marry into a "READY-MADE Family".  It is very unfair to the childless partner.  I would "NEVER" be interested in a man with kids.  Secondly, Keith, that is what you get for attempting to marry a much younger woman instead of someone your own age with kids.  I do agree with "Never Say Never....".

 

Eric & Michelle, I feel you both are going to be just fine.  What I don't understand is unless the Dr. Phil show is willing to pay this cost, it is easier said than done to just go on with this expensive procedure to conceive.  Can't a longing to have kids be cured by adopting?

 

And the celebrity couple, you are already blessed with a daughter.  I don't get this "giving birth to someone else's eggs".  It is not the mother's child, it is only the father's.

 

Good Luck :-)

 
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December 6, 2007, 6:45 pm PST

12/06 Desperate to Be a Mom

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I am  a 30 year old married women who has been trying to get pregnant for 2 years. Last year we seeked fertility treatments and had no success yet. Unfortunately we are in that 30% tile for no unknown reason as to why we cannot get pregnant. We have been lucky so far since our insurance copy has been covering the treatments. Our insurance company only covers three months of each cycle of drugs so in two months we will be on our own financially if we plan to take it to the next level. Trying to become pregnant is like having another job you are told when to have intercourse and how often, spontaneous is not even thought of anymore. Growing up I always knew I wanted to have children, I never imagined it would be this hard. Any thoughts or advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

Accept that it might not happen.

 
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December 6, 2007, 6:53 pm PST

On Being a Mom- For Dr. Phil

This message is as much for Dr. Phil as it is for the other readers.  FOR the men who were leaning towards having a child...The thing that concerned me about today's show is the fact that Adoption was never discussed as a viable option to the question of  things you would do to be a mom.  Dr. Phil's Fitness Trainer came on in the end and no other options were expressed to them or anyone else if pregnancy didn't occur... The reason this concerns me is that if couples out there do eventually decide to try and have a baby and it doesn't work- there is definitely another option.  We are the proud parents of a bioligical son and a soon to be adopted daughter.  Our son is 8 years old and after successfully conceiving him with no problems, I was unable to conceive again (due to Graves Disease- we chose not to go through Fertility procedures).  There are 100,000 children in the Foster Care System in the US awaiting a 'Forever Family'.  I am grateful to all who adopt, worldwide but not nearly enough adoptions take place through the State system.  Our new 3 1/2 year old daughter is everything I could ever imagine in a little girl and them some.  Sure, it's a transition, but also one of the best decisions we have ever made.  So, if you are unable to conceive and can't afford tor don't want to go through the costly fertility procedures- YOU HAVE OPTIONS!  Check out your local Department of Children and Families.  Adoption classes start all the time and there are children of all ages and races.  Also, you don't have to be married to adopt through the state system. AND- you don't have to be rich to adopt through the system either.  You do need to be happy, stable and loving. The state even offers a subsidy program to help offset your new child's needs.  Our daughter will have college paid for through the state, as well as Medicaid until she's 18 years old.  It has been an amazing option for us and we are so grateful to the state for the program.  I wish all the families well and appreciate all the wonderful work Dr. Phil and Robin do for children. 

 

 
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December 6, 2007, 6:55 pm PST

Don't deny her the joy of a child

I hope the gentleman in the first couple will seriously reconsider his decision.   They seem to have a very loving relationship and could share this love through a child.   My husband and I have one child and I can't tell you how many times I have said that I can't imagine not experiencing the happiness a child can bring.   There is so much joy to being a parent, that cannot be compared to anything in the world.  While he knows this from having children from a previous marriage, I hope he will give his wife the opportunity for this experience.    I know first hand that having a child is not all fun and games.   We have an 11 year old daughter with a disability.   And while she is unable to walk and requires a great deal of extra care, the amount of joy and happiness she has brought into our lives is worth it all.  Being a parent is something I wouldn't want anyone to miss out on and I would consider all options available to those interested in experiencing this journey.
 
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